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Old January 27th 05, 02:45 PM
Paul Blay
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"Ian Stirling" wrote ...
In sci.physics Paul Blay wrote:
"relay61:13:214:23" wrote ...
We could simply cool the earth down by covering India with Al foil and
reflecting the heat back out to space.


'simply' huh?


Yes.
There are a number of ways to cool the earth that would cost less than
an 11C uncontrolled climate change.
From orbiting sun-shades on down.


None of which get the adjective 'simple' particularly if the way chosen
is covering India with Al foil. Simple-minded I'll grant.
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Old January 27th 05, 04:09 PM
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
January 26, 2005

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/0501...050124-10.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=3Ddn6934


http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...yID=3D744 00=
23

http://www.physorg.com/news2831.html

http://www.climateprediction.net

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net


There is an implicit assumption (not yet justified) that climate change
(especially 'global warming') is necessarily bad.

Shortly after the end of the last glaciation there was a period in
which the globe was approximately 5=B0 C warmer than it is now and sea
levels were several meters higher.

It is known to anthropologists and archaeologists as the "Holocene
thermal optimum" and was also a time of much greater biomass, the
Sahara grasslands, and much larger forests. Agriculture flourished,
people built cities and learned to write, and trading became
commonplace. The Stone age was supplanted by the Dawn of Civilization.

All without fossil fuel consumption...

When circumstances do not change, adaptation ceases. When adaptation
ceases, species stagnate and become more vulnerable to change.
Change is inevitable. Adapt or die.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

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Old January 27th 05, 04:29 PM
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"tadchem" wrote in evul-printable ...
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/0501...050124-10.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6934

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7440023

http://www.physorg.com/news2831.html

http://www.climateprediction.net

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net


There is an implicit assumption (not yet justified) that climate change
(especially 'global warming') is necessarily bad.


There is a working hypothesis on which many studies have been done
that effects of climate change (especially 'global warming') to date
and as predicted to proceed from now have already had and will continue
to have significant negative impact over and above any positive effect.
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Old January 27th 05, 04:56 PM
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Paul Blay wrote:

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There is a working hypothesis on which many studies have been done
that effects of climate change (especially 'global warming') to date
and as predicted to proceed from now have already had and will

continue
to have significant negative impact over and above any positive

effect.

"Seek and ye shall find." - Matthew 7:7

You write of "a working hypothesis ... that effects of climate change
.... have already had and will continue to have significant negative
impact over and above any positive effect".

That is not good science - it is religion. I would expect something
like this from the proponents of 'creation science', not climatologists
or bio-ecologists. It leads the 'investigator' to bias in data. Data
that fails to validate the hypothesis is not reported and therefore is
unknown to or ignired by later investigators.

A good working hypothesis is unbiased.

What is needed is a "working hypothesis" that seeks to quantify the
effects of climate change *without* the built-in prejudice that
specific impacts are either negative or positive.

Every species that becomes extinct opens up an ecological niche into
which another species may evolve.

Change is inevitable; resist it at your own peril.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

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Old January 27th 05, 05:01 PM
Thomas Lee Elifritz
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January 27, 2005

tadchem wrote:

There is an implicit assumption (not yet justified) that climate change
(especially 'global warming') is necessarily bad.

Shortly after the end of the last glaciation there was a period in
which the globe was approximately 5° C warmer than it is now and sea
levels were several meters higher.


You exaggerate obsolete data. Your sea level claims are just plain wrong too.

http://www.pages.unibe.ch/shighlight...e03/davis.html

Human population during this time was very low.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
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Old January 27th 05, 05:26 PM
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"tadchem" wrote in news:1106838542.903202.201330
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There is an implicit assumption (not yet justified) that climate change
(especially 'global warming') is necessarily bad.


Since we've adapted our civilization to the current climate any change will
be bad. Are todays sea levels optimum? Perhaps not, but moving all port
cities if it changes is going to be horribly expensive. What about flood
plains located just about sea level. What will people who live there do if
sea levels rise?

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Old January 27th 05, 05:32 PM
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"Mike Rhino" wrote in message
news
"Uncle Al" wrote in message
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
[snip crap]

Tell it to New England.


There is a difference between amount of snow and temperature. Lots of
snow
does not contradict global warming. It's just one place and one week.
The
overall average temperature could still go up.


This was the first year since record keeping began in 1870 that Indianapolis
made it through the entire year without reaching 90F even once. ;-)


  #29  
Old January 27th 05, 06:21 PM
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Harold Brooks a écrit dans le message ...
In article ,
says...

"Mike Rhino" wrote in message
news
"Uncle Al" wrote in message
...
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
[snip crap]

Tell it to New England.

There is a difference between amount of snow and temperature. Lots of
snow
does not contradict global warming. It's just one place and one week.
The
overall average temperature could still go up.


This was the first year since record keeping began in 1870 that

Indianapolis
made it through the entire year without reaching 90F even once. ;-)




And still managed to average 1 F above normal for the year.
--
Harold Brooks
hebrooks87 hotmail.com



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Old January 27th 05, 06:31 PM
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relay61:13:214:23 wrote:
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We could simply cool the earth down by covering India with Al foil

and
reflecting the heat back out to space.

And even if it does not work, it will still be a laugh.
Socks

 




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