Why Conservatives Should Vote for Kerry

Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:

: "Karl Johanson" wrote in message
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: That definition is obsolete. In American politics today liberal means
: socialist.
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: Sure it does. He he.
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: It does. But don't take my word for it, visit America and see for yourself.


Yes go to our national parks like the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and
Yosemite and see the evil socialism at work. Oh and then go to Las Vegas
and see capitalism at its finest. Don't miss the light and water shows,
and don't gamble away your kid's college fund.

Eric

"Eric Chomko" wrote in message
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: That definition is obsolete. In American politics today liberal means
: socialist.
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By that logic, then conservative means facist.


Nope. Note that conservatives don't advocate fascism, but liberals do
advocate socialism.

Blair P. Houghton wrote:

Rand Simberg wrote:
On 26 Oct 2004 07:43:19 -0700, in a place far, far away,
(Geoffrey A. Landis) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

There is nothing about Kerry that a conservative admires.

It looks to me like his argument is that electing Kerry would mean
that the president and the congress would be from opposite parties,
which would keep congress from raiding the treasury, and this would
lead to fiscal responsibility, which is a conservative value.

Yes, and though I'm not a conservative, it's a view with which I'd
find some sympathy if we weren't at war.

Kerry's better at war than Bush is, too.

Allawi is starting to carp about Bush's military leadership.

It's a pretty sad President who can liberate a country but
finds he couldn't win an election there, either.

--Blair
"Kerry = Hero."

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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...
"FranklinJefferson" wrote in message
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A Contrarian View: Why conservatives should not support Bush.

The subject is "Why Conservatives Should Vote for Kerry". You offered no
reason for a conservative to vote for Kerry.

He offered many, unless you dont understand conservative principles.

If you think being a conservative means voting for big government
entitlement programs for every special interest group, a complicated
tax code, trade barriers and concessions to big labor... I supose then
you'd be right.

Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:

: "Eric Chomko" wrote in message
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: : That definition is obsolete. In American politics today liberal means
: : socialist.
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: By that logic, then conservative means facist.
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: Nope. Note that conservatives don't advocate fascism, but liberals do
: advocate socialism.

Yes, just because you say so.

Let me rephrase it. Those that conservatives support advocate fascism.
Which obvious by the sheer fact that their leaders always get us involved
in wars for profit.

Eric

"Dez Akin" wrote in message
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The subject is "Why Conservatives Should Vote for Kerry". You offered no
reason for a conservative to vote for Kerry.


He offered many, unless you dont understand conservative principles.


If you believe he offered any reason for a conservative to vote for Kerry it
is you that does not understand conservative principles.



If you think being a conservative means voting for big government
entitlement programs for every special interest group, a complicated
tax code, trade barriers and concessions to big labor... I supose then
you'd be right.


If you believe those are conservative principles then you have verified that
it is you that does not understand conservative principles.

"Eric Chomko" wrote in message
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: Nope. Note that conservatives don't advocate fascism, but liberals do
: advocate socialism.
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Yes, just because you say so.


Nope. It's an observation. I say it because it's so.



Let me rephrase it. Those that conservatives support advocate fascism.


Can you name a few?



Which obvious by the sheer fact that their leaders always get us involved
in wars for profit.


Which wars?

"Eric Chomko" wrote in message
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Steven P. McNicoll ) wrote:

: "Karl Johanson" wrote in message
: news:EpHfd.40630$Pl.970@pd7tw1no...
:
: That definition is obsolete. In American politics today liberal
means
: socialist.
:
:
: Sure it does. He he.
:

: It does. But don't take my word for it, visit America and see for
yourself.


Yes go to our national parks like the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and
Yosemite and see the evil socialism at work. Oh and then go to Las Vegas
and see capitalism at its finest. Don't miss the light and water shows,
and don't gamble away your kid's college fund.


The US national parks predate modern liberalism. Yellowstone was the first
National Park, established in 1872. The Republicans were in power.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote :
"Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
The subject is "Why Conservatives Should Vote for Kerry". You offered no
reason for a conservative to vote for Kerry.

1. Bush is no Conservative.

True, but not a reason to vote for Kerry.

The reason to vote for Kerry is that a Republican congress will put a
close leash on a Democratic president, but will let a Republican
president go hog-wild at the trough.

Bush spent his first term on an incredible spending spree, and if
Kerry can keep the Republican congress away from pork-barrel spending
give-aways, that sounds like a winner.

From the Wall Street Journal (10/27)
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1...5,00.html?mod=
opinion%5Fmain%5Fcommentaries

"The massive growth in the state during this presidency (faster than
under Bill Clinton, even if you exclude the spending on the war on
terror) owes a fair amount to opportunism -- to Mr. Bush's willingness
to pay off friends in the business world or a refusal to pick a fight
with allies in GOP-controlled Congress (he has not wielded his veto
pen once).... he laced his acceptance speech at the GOP convention
with promises to use government to improve people's lives."

Sheldon Richman calls him an "anti-freedom conservative"
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0312b.asp

"Big-government conservative", which is what the Wall Street Journal
terms Bush (sounds like an oxymoron), is a word Fred Barnes coined for
Bush:
"Conservatives are upset because he has tolerated a surge in federal
spending, downplayed swollen deficits, failed to use his veto, created
a vast Department of Homeland Security, and fashioned an alliance of
sorts with Teddy Kennedy on education and Medicare. But the real gripe
is that Mr. Bush isn't their kind of conventional conservative.
Rather, he's a big government conservative. This isn't a description
he or other prominent conservatives willingly embrace. It makes them
sound as if they aren't conservatives at all."

--which is why a president from the opposite party is a REALLY GOOD
IDEA.

"Jon" wrote in message
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1. Bush is no Conservative.


True, but not a reason to vote for Kerry.


The reason to vote for Kerry is that a Republican congress will put a
close leash on a Democratic president, but will let a Republican
president go hog-wild at the trough.

Bush spent his first term on an incredible spending spree, and if
Kerry can keep the Republican congress away from pork-barrel spending
give-aways, that sounds like a winner.


It's a loser. While a Republican Congress can keep Kerry from driving up
spending it cannot force him to effectively prosecute the war against
terrorists.