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Old October 26th 10, 08:43 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle
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Well as its quiet around these parts, here is some wild speculation. Say for
example a China/US consortium said, let us have the existing shuttle
hardware cheap and we will fly them safely for half the cost, what would
the US do?

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Old October 26th 10, 04:16 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
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In article , Briang1
@blueyonder.co.uk says...

Well as its quiet around these parts, here is some wild speculation. Say for
example a China/US consortium said, let us have the existing shuttle
hardware cheap and we will fly them safely for half the cost, what would
the US do?


No. The shuttles are the property of the US Government and are slated
to be handed over to the Smithsonian. Plus, they're going to be handed
over without SSME's since they will be flown on the shuttle derived
heavy lift launch vehicle which was recently mandated by
Congress/Administration.

Jeff
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Old October 26th 10, 11:34 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
Brian Thorn[_2_]
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:43:33 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Well as its quiet around these parts, here is some wild speculation. Say for
example a China/US consortium said, let us have the existing shuttle
hardware cheap and we will fly them safely for half the cost, what would
the US do?


Say no. Shuttle can't fly without Complex 39 and JSC, which NASA won't
hand over to anyone.

Brian
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Old October 27th 10, 12:08 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle
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On 10/26/2010 4:34 PM, Brian Thorn wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:43:33 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Well as its quiet around these parts, here is some wild speculation. Say for
example a China/US consortium said, let us have the existing shuttle
hardware cheap and we will fly them safely for half the cost, what would
the US do?

Say no. Shuttle can't fly without Complex 39 and JSC, which NASA won't
hand over to anyone.


And I'd hazard a guess that it would be far cheaper to start from scratch
with a new design aimed at handling some subset of the tasks the Shuttle
has been used for over the past 30 years, vs. trying to recreate the massive
infrastructure needed to keep these old birds flying.

But wait - that's kinda what SpaceX, etc., are already trying to do...

Bob M.

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Old October 27th 10, 02:09 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle
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On Oct 26, 7:08*pm, Bob Myers wrote:
* On 10/26/2010 4:34 PM, Brian Thorn wrote:

On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:43:33 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
*wrote:


Well as its quiet around these parts, here is some wild speculation. Say for
example a China/US consortium said, let us have the existing shuttle
hardware cheap and we will fly them safely for half the cost, what would
the US do?

Say no. Shuttle can't fly without Complex 39 and JSC, which NASA won't
hand over to anyone.


And I'd hazard a guess that it would be far cheaper to start from scratch
with a new design aimed at handling some subset of the tasks the Shuttle
has been used for over the past 30 years, vs. trying to recreate the massive
infrastructure needed to keep these old birds flying.

But wait - that's kinda what SpaceX, etc., are already trying to do...

Bob M.


well someone with more money than brains could offer to pay for
continued shuttle ops using the exsting infrastructure......

thus a private operation is born....

it would take boatloads of money but keep people working.
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Old October 27th 10, 01:04 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
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Brian Thorn wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:43:33 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Well as its quiet around these parts, here is some wild speculation.
Say for example a China/US consortium said, let us have the existing
shuttle hardware cheap and we will fly them safely for half the
cost, what would the US do?


Say no. Shuttle can't fly without Complex 39 and JSC, which NASA won't
hand over to anyone.


While very unlikely, it wouldn't be the first time the government has turned
over government owned facilities for use by a private concern.


Brian


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Old October 27th 10, 02:11 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
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On Oct 27, 8:04*am, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:
Brian Thorn wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:43:33 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:


Well as its quiet around these parts, here is some wild speculation.
Say for example a China/US consortium said, let us have the existing
shuttle hardware cheap and we will fly them safely for half the
cost, what would the US do?


Say no. Shuttle can't fly without Complex 39 and JSC, which NASA won't
hand over to anyone.


While very unlikely, it wouldn't be the first time the government has turned
over government owned facilities for use by a private concern.

Brian


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Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.


if a savior appeared to keep the shuttle flying not costing the
government money they would be warmly welcomed with open arms.........

anyone with that much money knows better
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Old October 27th 10, 11:28 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle
Brian Thorn[_2_]
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:04:51 -0400, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:

Well as its quiet around these parts, here is some wild speculation.
Say for example a China/US consortium said, let us have the existing
shuttle hardware cheap and we will fly them safely for half the
cost, what would the US do?


Say no. Shuttle can't fly without Complex 39 and JSC, which NASA won't
hand over to anyone.


While very unlikely, it wouldn't be the first time the government has turned
over government owned facilities for use by a private concern.


There are facilities and then there are FACILITIES. Hell will freeze
before NASA hands JSC over to someone else. Complex 39, to a degree, I
can see. They're already talking about letting someone use it
commercially, but even then it was a separate (new) pad and the
commercial concern would be a tenant, not the operator. That proposal
has not and almost certainly will not go anywhere.

Brian
 




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