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Old July 15th 08, 08:58 PM posted to sci.astro,alt.sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.space.policy
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China 'could reach Moon by 2020'
By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7506715.stm

Dr Griffin says the US and Chinese space agencies are co-operating
China is capable of sending a manned mission to the Moon within the next
decade, if it so wishes, Nasa administrator Michael Griffin has said.

The US space agency plans to return people to the lunar surface by 2020
using its new Orion spacecraft.

But it is just possible the first people on the Moon since the Apollo 17
mission in 1972 could be planting a flag with five stars, not 50.

In 2003, China became only the third country to launch a person into
orbit.

Speaking to the BBC News website during a visit to London, Dr Griffin
said: "Certainly it is possible that if China wants to put people on the
Moon, and if it wishes to do so before the United States, it certainly
can. As a matter of technical capability, it absolutely can."

Chinese officials say there is no plan and no timetable for a Moon
landing, and have expressed doubt that one could be made by 2020.

Ambitious programmes

But Sun Laiyan, chief of the China National Space Administration (CNSA),
told journalists last year that an eventual lunar excursion was
inevitable.

On whether it mattered who reached the Moon next, Dr Griffin replied:
"I'm not a psychologist, so I can't say if it matters or not. That would
just be an opinion and I don't want to air an opinion in an area that
I'm not qualified to discuss."

We do have some early co-operative initiatives that we are trying to
put in place with China, mostly centred around scientific enterprises

Dr Michael Griffin
Nasa Administrator

But there is a perception among some in the space industry that
America's long-held dominance in space exploration is slipping as other
nations enter the fray.

A recent report by the US consultancy firm, Futron, found other
countries were expanding their space capabilities at an astonishing
rate, "threatening US space leadership".

China has sent two manned missions into space over the last five years.
The first, in 2003, carried "yuhangyuan" (astronaut) Yang Liwei into
orbit for 21 hours aboard the Shenzhou 5 spacecraft.

On the second, two spacemen flew aboard the Shenzhou 6 craft, spending
nearly five days in orbit. Another manned mission is set to go ahead in
October, just after the Beijing Olympic Games.

Dr Griffin said the US and China were now making the first tentative
steps towards collaborating with each other on space exploration.

"We do have some early co-operative initiatives that we are trying to
put in place with China, mostly centred around scientific enterprises. I
think that's a great place to start," he said.

Five-year gap

"I think we're always better off if we can find areas where we can
collaborate rather than quarrel. I would remind your [audience] that the
first US-Soviet human co-operation took place in 1975, virtually at the
height of the Cold War."

"And it led, 18 years later, to discussions about an International Space
Station (ISS) programme in which we're now involved."

India's space programme is smaller than China's, but is making great
strides. The South Asian country will launch its Chandrayaan unmanned
Moon probe later this year. It has also announced ambitious plans for a
manned programme.

Since joining Nasa as its administrator in 2005, Dr Griffin has overseen
the implementation of President George W Bush's Vision for Space
Exploration, which aims to return Americans to the Moon by 2020, and
send them on, at some undetermined date, to Mars.

He has presided over Nasa's efforts to complete construction of the ISS
in time for a retirement of the space shuttle in 2010. However, its
replacements, the Orion spacecraft and Ares rockets, will not be ready
until March 2015.

This leaves a five-year gap during which the US will have no spacecraft
capable of reaching the space station.

Last year, Dr Griffin told the US Congress that this gap could be
shortened to 2013 with the injection of $2bn extra in funds. The request
was ultimately turned down.

He now says: "Even if a new president and a new Congress decided they
wanted to shorten the gap between shuttle retirement and Ares and Orion
deployment, at this point with water over the dam, even if they were
substantially increasing our funding, we would be talking about 2014 as
the earliest."

Nasa has given seed money to commercial ventures in order to spur
development of a manned craft capable of re-supplying the ISS. But also
has the option of buying some of the European Space Agency's ATV
(Automated Transfer Vehicle) resupply craft.




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Old July 15th 08, 09:32 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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Agent Smith wrote:

China 'could reach Moon by 2020'
By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7506715.stm


[snip delusions of a madman]

Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to
salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't
realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush.
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Old July 16th 08, 02:34 AM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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On Jul 15, 4:32*pm, kT wrote:
Agent Smith wrote:
China 'could reach Moon by 2020' *
By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News *


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7506715.stm


[snip delusions of a madman]

Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to
salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't
realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush.


Bush is not a liar, whatever this Michael Griffin is.
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Old July 17th 08, 03:07 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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On 16 Jul, 02:34, calvin wrote:

Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to
salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't
realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush.


Bush is not a liar, whatever this Michael Griffin is.


Oh, so there was WMD in Iraq.


- Ian Parker
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Old July 17th 08, 05:10 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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Ian Parker wrote:

:On 16 Jul, 02:34, calvin wrote:
:
: Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to
: salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't
: realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush.
:
: Bush is not a liar, whatever this Michael Griffin is.
:
:Oh, so there was WMD in Iraq.
:

There is a difference between being wrong and being a liar.

Of course, you are both, so perhaps you cannot differentiate...

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
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Old July 17th 08, 05:19 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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On 17 Jul, 17:10, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Ian Parker wrote:

:On 16 Jul, 02:34, calvin wrote:
:
: Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to
: salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't
: realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush.
:
: Bush is not a liar, whatever this Michael Griffin is.
:
:Oh, so there was WMD in Iraq.
:

There is a difference between being wrong and being a liar.

Of course, you are both, so perhaps you cannot differentiate...

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
*your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."


The CIA knew this from the word go. It was guerre a l'outrace. You
might argue SH had to be removed and a few lies were needed to do
this. However figure this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein

He was put there by you lot. If he wasn't there in the first place he
would not have had to be removed.

There is one other fact that I think is significant. The CIA made the
US Army hunt for WMD which it knew all along did not exist. Meanwhile
the ethic cleansing which has displaced over 4 million people started.


- Ian Parker
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Old July 17th 08, 09:30 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:07:14 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
Ian Parker made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

On 16 Jul, 02:34, calvin wrote:

Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to
salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't
realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush.


Bush is not a liar, whatever this Michael Griffin is.


Oh, so there was WMD in Iraq.


Whether or not there was WMD in Iraq has nothing to do with whether or
not Bush is a liar. Only an illogical ignoramus would think there is.
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Old July 17th 08, 10:19 PM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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On 17 Jul, 21:30, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:07:14 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
Ian Parker made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

On 16 Jul, 02:34, calvin wrote:


Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to
salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't
realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush.


Bush is not a liar, whatever this Michael Griffin is.


Oh, so there was WMD in Iraq.


Whether or not there was WMD in Iraq has nothing to do with whether or
not Bush is a liar. *Only an illogical ignoramus would think there is.


He said there were. It was not true. He rubbished Ralph Ikea. What
else.


- Ian Parker
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Old July 18th 08, 01:24 AM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:19:57 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
Ian Parker made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

On 17 Jul, 21:30, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:07:14 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
Ian Parker made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:

On 16 Jul, 02:34, calvin wrote:


Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to
salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't
realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush.


Bush is not a liar, whatever this Michael Griffin is.


Oh, so there was WMD in Iraq.


Whether or not there was WMD in Iraq has nothing to do with whether or
not Bush is a liar. *Only an illogical ignoramus would think there is.


He said there were. It was not true.


Thank you. You indisputably demonstrate that you equate saying
something is not true with a lie. Thus, you also demonstrate my point
about ignorant illogical idiots, with no understanding of the meaning
of the word "liar," and "lie."

And actually, we still don't even know that it wasn't true.
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Old July 18th 08, 06:18 AM posted to sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.policy
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Ian Parker wrote:

:On 17 Jul, 17:10, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: Ian Parker wrote:
:
: :On 16 Jul, 02:34, calvin wrote:
: :
: : Michael Griffin is a delusional liar who will say or do anything to
: : salvage his legacy, which is now beyond salvaging, but he doesn't
: : realize that. This guy is almost an exact clone of George W. Bush.
: :
: : Bush is not a liar, whatever this Michael Griffin is.
: :
: :Oh, so there was WMD in Iraq.
: :
:
: There is a difference between being wrong and being a liar.
:
: Of course, you are both, so perhaps you cannot differentiate...
:
: --
: "You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
: *your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
:
:The CIA knew this from the word go.
:

See what I mean about you being a liar?

:
:It was guerre a l'outrace. You
:might argue SH had to be removed and a few lies were needed to do
:this. However figure this.
:
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
:
:He was put there by you lot. If he wasn't there in the first place he
:would not have had to be removed.
:

You've been corrected on this before. He was ***NOT*** "put there by"
us. Your cite doesn't support your statement.

Given that you have been repeatedly corrected on this and yet still
keep saying it, you have graduated from merely being ignorant to being
an outright and deliberate liar.

:
:There is one other fact that I think is significant. The CIA made the
:US Army hunt for WMD which it knew all along did not exist. Meanwhile
:the ethic cleansing which has displaced over 4 million people started.
:

You mean there's one other delusion of yours based on lies about the
facts which you would like to put forward as if it is significant.

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
 




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