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yet more foto browsing: not a funny one, this
I keep hearing that Betty Grissom campaigned to have the ill-fated AS204
re-designated "Apollo I" after the Fire; how does that explain Gus' mission patch in: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...1-67-H-104.jpg ? Just curious. I keep hearing that story, but keep stumbling over fotos of the crew in training wearing the Apollo I insignia. -- "All over, people changing their votes, along with their overcoats; if Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway!" --the clash. __________________________________________________ _________________ Mike Flugennock, flugennock at sinkers dot org Mike Flugennock's Mikey'zine, dubya dubya dubya dot sinkers dot org |
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Mike Flugennock wrote: I keep hearing that Betty Grissom campaigned to have the ill-fated AS204 re-designated "Apollo I" after the Fire; how does that explain Gus' mission patch... The key thing to understand is that those mission patches did not have high-level approval and did not represent an official NASA decision about the mission designation. The whole idea of doing mission patches was fairly new, and the idea of using the patch art as a major symbol for the mission hadn't appeared yet. At that point, they were an informal thing done mostly for the crews and their immediate associates; NASA officialdom was involved only in that management had veto power over patch design. There is no question that the *crew* were calling the mission Apollo 1, and so their patch design reflected this. Getting that designation made the official name of the mission was another matter entirely, and *that* is what the crew's widows pushed for. -- "Think outside the box -- the box isn't our friend." | Henry Spencer -- George Herbert | |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:22:28 -0600, OM
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:27:55 -0500, (Mike Flugennock) wrote: Just curious. I keep hearing that story, but keep stumbling over fotos of the crew in training wearing the Apollo I insignia. ...Now, when Gus, Ed and Roger were getting ready for AS-204, Gus apparently got the burr in his butt that he didn't want to be the commander of "Apollo-Saturn 204", much less the probable shorthand designator of "Apollo 4". When they cobbled together the patch, they listed the flight as "Apollo 1" in an attempt to force the issue. The PAO was not amused, and there's been some mention around here in the past that Gus apparently used "Astropower" to get the 4" versions for the suits made(**) and have them applied in time for the press photos to be shot. The logic being that once they've been seen with a patch identifying the flight as "Apollo 1", the PAO would be seen in the public eye as an even bigger bunch of anal-retentive dip****s as the Astronauts themselves already knew they were. Here's a webpage with some info about the Apollo 1 patch. http://genedorr.com/patches/Apollo/Ap01.html Rusty |
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OM wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:27:55 -0500, (Mike Flugennock) wrote: Just curious. I keep hearing that story, but keep stumbling over fotos of the crew in training wearing the Apollo I insignia. ...The way I've come to understand it, mission patches had only been given some semblance of sanction from about the middle of the Gemini Program. They weren't around for Mercury, although the capsules had logos of a sort painted by a McDD staff artist(*). The first was intended for Grissom & Young's GT-3 flight, but after Gus decided to call it "The Unsinkable Molly Brown", the PAO got their perpetually soiled panties in a wad, and squashed capsule names. That's a great patch though. Notice that the sides the mission patch and NASA insignia are on get reversed between these two photos? http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...1-67-H-104.jpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...-S68-33750.jpg Also, doesn't this look like David Sander's Mars astronaut suit: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...-S67-23082.jpg http://manconquersspace.com/graphics...sExplorer3.jpg They still need those loop direction finder antennas on space suits. |
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"Rusty" wrote in message ... Here's a webpage with some info about the Apollo 1 patch. http://genedorr.com/patches/Apollo/Ap01.html Very interesting. So the fact that the patch was approved isn't actually strong evidence that the flight was to be called Apollo I, since Low withdrew the approval, albeit only a week before the fire. |
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On 2005-02-28, OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote:
logos of a sort painted by a McDD staff artist(*). The first was intended for Grissom & Young's GT-3 flight, but after Gus decided to call it "The Unsinkable Molly Brown", the PAO got their perpetually soiled panties in a wad, and squashed capsule names. At the same time, The same sort of thing happened with Apollo; the names were originally lighthearted, and then there's a definable point where someone put their foot down and insisted on Seriousness. In this case, they let Spider & Gumdrop slip, then waved through Snoopy and Charlie Brown, but baulked at Haystack and Snowcone... -- -Andrew Gray |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:02:40 -0600, rk
wrote: The Pluto/New Horizons spacecraft has two instruments named "Ralph" and Alice." ....Which those anal-retentive ****wits at the NASA PAO will no doubt allow some 10-year-old precocious dip**** to give some lame-assed names that are supposed to "inspire". Probably something like "Interrogator" and "Observationalist". The PAO ****ed up royally by not naming MER-A and MER-B "Marvin" and "Daffy", respectively. The marketing and recognition potential would have far exceeded any perceived "inspiration" those two banalities could have hoped to have generated... OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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rk wrote... The Pluto/New Horizons spacecraft has two instruments named "Ralph" and Alice." And one named Pepssi. I just hope the vent apertures are not too close to it; I lost a monitor that way once - Peter |
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mike, don't believe the henery spencers of the world, et. al. the
flight was Apollo 1. i have a photo dated sept. 28th 1966 with the CM in it's shipping container clearly marked as Apollo 1. the 204 reference is to the booster which flew later. that 204 reference was used to try and remove Apollo 1 and the bogus fire investigation from the manned space program (per. sheperd). when the booster and the SM and CM were mated the flight was known as A1. that should stir things up........ |
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