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"Yoda" wrote in message
et.cable.rogers.com... Jaxtraw wrote: "Yoda" wrote in message t.cable.rogers.com... Paul Lawler wrote: "Yoda" wrote in message .net.cable.rogers.com... Don't any of you guys think for yourselves or are you all sycophants? Sycophants to WHOM, pray tell? To what you consider to be the big arse you must kiss so that you can be admited into the big arse club of the neo-scientific stone age cavemen. The US government openly admitted recently that the moon pictures were hoaxed on the direct order of President Nixon. And to top it all off, Stanley Kubrick is the man responsible for the moon landing hoaxed pictures. In fact nothing was televised from the moon missions to any home in the entire world. What people watched was made in a studio. I'm sorry... please point me to the government documents and/or offiicials who "openly admitted" the moon pictures were hoaxed. Names please, not "unnamed" or "highly placed" sources. Againn go to the CBC and ask them. Is that so hard? I daresay none of us have a copy of this documentary to hand, so could you just be a good chap and tell us what you think it said? By the by, I'm pretty certain that if the US govt. had officially admitted to faking the Apollo programme, When did I say the Apollo programme itself was hoaxed? Please quote me on that please do. it would have been front page news in every country in the world, so even here in Ukay I'm surprised I missed it. Ian Again for those who need it spelled out for them.....take an H, take an A, take an O, take an X, put them together,....what does that spell? Um, HAOX? Hoax right? Now take a V, take an I, take a D, take an E, and take an O, and put them together ok? What does that spell? Video...right. Now take a P, take an I, take a C, take a T, take an I, take an R, take an E, take an S, and put that together...what does that spell? PICTIRES? Gee. this is fun. Pictures..right....now we are getting somewhere. Do you understand yet, or do you still need it spelled out for you? Well, I got HAOX VIDEO PICTIRES. In which of these HAOX VIDEO PICTIRES does the government of the USA make an official announcement that NASA faked the moon shots, or parts thereof? Ian -- ____________________ A quality online comic strip for the discerning reader. With shagging in it. http://www.jaxtrawstudios.com |
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"Jaxtraw" wrote in message
... "Yoda" wrote in message et.cable.rogers.com... Again for those who need it spelled out for them.....take an H, take an A, take an O, take an X, put them together,....what does that spell? Um, HAOX? Hoax right? Now take a V, take an I, take a D, take an E, and take an O, and put them together ok? What does that spell? Video...right. Now take a P, take an I, take a C, take a T, take an I, take an R, take an E, take an S, and put that together...what does that spell? PICTIRES? Gee. this is fun. Pictures..right....now we are getting somewhere. Do you understand yet, or do you still need it spelled out for you? Well, I got HAOX VIDEO PICTIRES. In which of these HAOX VIDEO PICTIRES does the government of the USA make an official announcement that NASA faked the moon shots, or parts thereof? Ian, You have to read between the letters. g |
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"Jaxtraw" wrote in message
... "Yoda" wrote in message et.cable.rogers.com... Again for those who need it spelled out for them.....take an H, take an A, take an O, take an X, put them together,....what does that spell? Um, HAOX? Hoax right? Now take a V, take an I, take a D, take an E, and take an O, and put them together ok? What does that spell? Video...right. Now take a P, take an I, take a C, take a T, take an I, take an R, take an E, take an S, and put that together...what does that spell? PICTIRES? Gee. this is fun. Pictures..right....now we are getting somewhere. Do you understand yet, or do you still need it spelled out for you? Well, I got HAOX VIDEO PICTIRES. In which of these HAOX VIDEO PICTIRES does the government of the USA make an official announcement that NASA faked the moon shots, or parts thereof? Ian, You have to read between the letters. g |
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"vonroach" wrote in message
... On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:38:38 +0100, Tim Auton tim.auton@uton.[groupSexWithoutTheY] wrote: vonroach wrote: On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:38:37 +0100, "Jaxtraw" wrote: No. The claim that "Man Went To The Moon" is not a scientific claim; it's an historical claim. Historians can only decide the validity of an historical assertion; for instance "Edward VIII abdicated the British throne" You have confused a `claim' with an historical fact. As a witness to both events, there is absolutely no doubt as to the facts. Herein lies the problem. There are different standard of proof for historical and scientific facts, which was Jaxtraw's point. For a scientific fact to be considered a fact it must be repeatable, this is not possible with historical facts, which must be decided on the weight of evidence at the time. Edward VIII 's abdication was broadcast around the world in his own voice (opinion-somewhat shaky). He gave up his thrown for `the woman I love'. As a matter of fact I was a witness to the event and you can be as well by just playing the recording of the broadcast. You don't have to take anybody's word. You have to take somebody's word that it's actually a recording of the Abdication speech. You have to take somebody's word that that was actually Edward VIII in front of the microphone speaking... A scientific experiment must be repeated several time to become a fact, and even then it is subject to revision as new information or experimental evidence emerges. I very much doubt you were a first-hand witness to both events, unless you happen to be a previously unknown royal and have your own radio telescope. Certainly reading about something in a range of newspapers and seeing and/or hearing about it in a range of other media is a good indication of something having actually happened, but the fact remains you are relying on second hand sources and cannot repeat the experiment yourself. The abdication? The radiobroadcast of the King's statement read by himself. Not a recording. As far as you can ascertain... A case in point: It has only recently become common knowledge that the Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved my a mutual agreement to remove missiles from locations close to the other party's country: The USSR agreed to remove its missiles from Cuba in return for the USA removing its missiles from Turkey. The USA's concession was kept pretty much secret, which deeply coloured the historical view of that event till recently. This may have recently become `knowledge' to you, but not to those of us that witnessed those tense days. The removal of US missiles from Turkey and some other bases was well publicized. (Opinion - we were able to make this `deal' because missile carrying submarines were on station ringing the USSR.) Our other bases in Turkey and Europe remained on station as did the other military installations of the USSR in Cuba. Note that I don't doubt the moon landings took place, or that Edward VIII abdicated, but I have more faith in the fact that Hooke's law works because I have tested it under controlled conditions in a lab (along with a number of other theories). Apples and Oranges I think that's the point we're making. Science and history are apples and oranges... Ian |
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"vonroach" wrote in message
... On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:38:38 +0100, Tim Auton tim.auton@uton.[groupSexWithoutTheY] wrote: vonroach wrote: On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:38:37 +0100, "Jaxtraw" wrote: No. The claim that "Man Went To The Moon" is not a scientific claim; it's an historical claim. Historians can only decide the validity of an historical assertion; for instance "Edward VIII abdicated the British throne" You have confused a `claim' with an historical fact. As a witness to both events, there is absolutely no doubt as to the facts. Herein lies the problem. There are different standard of proof for historical and scientific facts, which was Jaxtraw's point. For a scientific fact to be considered a fact it must be repeatable, this is not possible with historical facts, which must be decided on the weight of evidence at the time. Edward VIII 's abdication was broadcast around the world in his own voice (opinion-somewhat shaky). He gave up his thrown for `the woman I love'. As a matter of fact I was a witness to the event and you can be as well by just playing the recording of the broadcast. You don't have to take anybody's word. You have to take somebody's word that it's actually a recording of the Abdication speech. You have to take somebody's word that that was actually Edward VIII in front of the microphone speaking... A scientific experiment must be repeated several time to become a fact, and even then it is subject to revision as new information or experimental evidence emerges. I very much doubt you were a first-hand witness to both events, unless you happen to be a previously unknown royal and have your own radio telescope. Certainly reading about something in a range of newspapers and seeing and/or hearing about it in a range of other media is a good indication of something having actually happened, but the fact remains you are relying on second hand sources and cannot repeat the experiment yourself. The abdication? The radiobroadcast of the King's statement read by himself. Not a recording. As far as you can ascertain... A case in point: It has only recently become common knowledge that the Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved my a mutual agreement to remove missiles from locations close to the other party's country: The USSR agreed to remove its missiles from Cuba in return for the USA removing its missiles from Turkey. The USA's concession was kept pretty much secret, which deeply coloured the historical view of that event till recently. This may have recently become `knowledge' to you, but not to those of us that witnessed those tense days. The removal of US missiles from Turkey and some other bases was well publicized. (Opinion - we were able to make this `deal' because missile carrying submarines were on station ringing the USSR.) Our other bases in Turkey and Europe remained on station as did the other military installations of the USSR in Cuba. Note that I don't doubt the moon landings took place, or that Edward VIII abdicated, but I have more faith in the fact that Hooke's law works because I have tested it under controlled conditions in a lab (along with a number of other theories). Apples and Oranges I think that's the point we're making. Science and history are apples and oranges... Ian |
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"Yoda" wrote in message
t.cable.rogers.com... You're the moron to believe that picture which clearly shows moon mud is dust. Dust doesnt leave footprints. And what museum has samples of this dust so that we can all view it and compare samples? Please you have to do better than that. And you are the person (you may, in fact be a moron, but I don't have enough evidence to make the kind of judgements you seem to be able to make without evidence) who doesn't seem to realize that very fine lunar dust might have different properties from the kind of dust that "doesn't leave footprints." In fact, I would posit that most fine dust (e.g. flour) leaves very clear footprints. vonroach wrote: On 18 Jul 2004 16:08:09 -0700, Gruebait wrote: For example there is no 'mud' on the moon, and yet the most famous pictures of the so-called "first footprint" clearly shows mud. It was the US government in the documentary who was laughing about the muddy footprint photo that the whole world believes is true, and ofcourse morons like yourself who think it depicts "moon dust". I'm sorry... now instead of an unamed officual we have the US government in toto laughing about the muddy footprint photo? Again you offer ZERO evidence of the US government either "openly admitting" or "laughing" about faked photos. And before you say it, no, telling me to "go look it up" does NOT constitute offering evidence. |
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"Yoda" wrote in message
t.cable.rogers.com... You're the moron to believe that picture which clearly shows moon mud is dust. Dust doesnt leave footprints. And what museum has samples of this dust so that we can all view it and compare samples? Please you have to do better than that. And you are the person (you may, in fact be a moron, but I don't have enough evidence to make the kind of judgements you seem to be able to make without evidence) who doesn't seem to realize that very fine lunar dust might have different properties from the kind of dust that "doesn't leave footprints." In fact, I would posit that most fine dust (e.g. flour) leaves very clear footprints. vonroach wrote: On 18 Jul 2004 16:08:09 -0700, Gruebait wrote: For example there is no 'mud' on the moon, and yet the most famous pictures of the so-called "first footprint" clearly shows mud. It was the US government in the documentary who was laughing about the muddy footprint photo that the whole world believes is true, and ofcourse morons like yourself who think it depicts "moon dust". I'm sorry... now instead of an unamed officual we have the US government in toto laughing about the muddy footprint photo? Again you offer ZERO evidence of the US government either "openly admitting" or "laughing" about faked photos. And before you say it, no, telling me to "go look it up" does NOT constitute offering evidence. |
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Tim listen, I have watched the documentary with interest along with my
wife. She is not really interested though in space stuff. The documentary says in very specific terms without 'hints' as you put it, that the moon footage shown to the world as real was in fact hoaxed on order by President Nixon and his aides, through the studios operated by Stanley Kubrick. They also specifically zero in on the fluttering flag, the footprint, and one image of an astronaught on the moon and in the viser what can clearly be seen is a studio lighting boom. These are the only images they describe as part of the hoax, including one other video which was supposedly Neil Armstrong getting off the lander to make his now famous remark. They didnt once say there were no moon landings, or missions. It was all about the Nixon-Kubrick affair. Besides it really doesn't matter either way. It was done for political reasons, nothing more and nothing less. If you and others can't simply see that, then you doom the rest of the world along with you to remain buffoons. Tim Auton wrote: Yoda wrote: Tim Auton wrote: [snip] I presume you meant this documentary: http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunda...oon/about.html "This is no ordinary documentary. Its intent is to inform and entertain the viewer, but also to shake him up - make him aware that one should always view television with a critical eye." Did you watch the video? Probably not. My friends are laughing there asses off at what you just said because they know me very well cause they listen to me all the time, and they know that I keep watch for propaganda more than any other person they know. So please your American ignorance is showing through....perhaps you should lay off the Disney movies for a while. I'm English, live in England and despise Disney movies. Remarkably enough living in the UK I don't get to watch the CBC. A search of a few on-line video distributors didn't find the program on video for me to purchase. So no, I haven't seen it. Are you suggesting the CBC website has been hijacked, or that what they say there is a cunning double-bluff? I would like to see it though. It sounds most interesting. Unethical as it is I'd be willing to download a high-quality digital recording of it if you can point me to one (by email if you prefer). Your best bet is to email the CBC and ask them (er..beg them) to re-air it and mark it on your calender. Besides the CBC along witht he programme Passionate Eye...has reruns all the time, so I am sure it will be shown again. In fact I think they already did show it again, since I tuned into it thinking it was further developments on the original program. Unfortunately it was the very same show. Mostly its interviews with ex government (now well into their late 70 or 80's for that matter) people who were directly involved or indirectly involved (as in Kubrick's surviving wife). One of the points they make throughout the documentary is that many of the people involved in the conspiracy are now dead, and apparently Nixon almost ordered the "disappearance" of Kubrick because he feared the political fallout if it ever should come forward that the Moon landing pictures which inspired the world, are hoaxed. Fair enough? P.S. I never endorsed the idea that we never went to the moon. That has never been my position, and I would never insult Astronauts in that fashion. NASA is a great machine for a space age, but clearly many things need to be changed for the challenges of a new space age. FOr example: Arthur C. Clarke said and I quote, "I am beginning to think the unthinkable," when he was shown pictures of the surface of one of the moon's of Jupiter or was it Saturn? He said that because the close-up showed perfect strait lines crisscrossing almost the entire surface. It looked like artifical structures anyways. However, he may have said that when he was shown other pictures that the world hasn't been shown? Why, is he special? What gives any government the right to edit out UFO's from pictures or cover up the evidence? I believe future generations will curse the people who kept the truth from the world, despite it being done in the name of "national security". Heck in England people attempt to hoax crop formations all the time, and what does that do for serious science? Absolutely nothing! But the media loves it! Hack even your Prince Phillip is apparently a member of a UFO club. Do you think these billionaires in power the world over don't care about the subject? ET contact is the real story of our time, and unfortunately when the **** hits the fan, its not going to be very good for all the people who have been misled by lies, coverups, and outright fabrications of propaganda. http://www.propagandamatrix.com/blair_protection.html http://www.psywarrior.com/sexandprop.html http://home.att.net/~jvbond0007/war-poster-ex.htm http://libercratic.government.direct...culture/TV.htm Tim |
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Tim listen, I have watched the documentary with interest along with my
wife. She is not really interested though in space stuff. The documentary says in very specific terms without 'hints' as you put it, that the moon footage shown to the world as real was in fact hoaxed on order by President Nixon and his aides, through the studios operated by Stanley Kubrick. They also specifically zero in on the fluttering flag, the footprint, and one image of an astronaught on the moon and in the viser what can clearly be seen is a studio lighting boom. These are the only images they describe as part of the hoax, including one other video which was supposedly Neil Armstrong getting off the lander to make his now famous remark. They didnt once say there were no moon landings, or missions. It was all about the Nixon-Kubrick affair. Besides it really doesn't matter either way. It was done for political reasons, nothing more and nothing less. If you and others can't simply see that, then you doom the rest of the world along with you to remain buffoons. Tim Auton wrote: Yoda wrote: Tim Auton wrote: [snip] I presume you meant this documentary: http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunda...oon/about.html "This is no ordinary documentary. Its intent is to inform and entertain the viewer, but also to shake him up - make him aware that one should always view television with a critical eye." Did you watch the video? Probably not. My friends are laughing there asses off at what you just said because they know me very well cause they listen to me all the time, and they know that I keep watch for propaganda more than any other person they know. So please your American ignorance is showing through....perhaps you should lay off the Disney movies for a while. I'm English, live in England and despise Disney movies. Remarkably enough living in the UK I don't get to watch the CBC. A search of a few on-line video distributors didn't find the program on video for me to purchase. So no, I haven't seen it. Are you suggesting the CBC website has been hijacked, or that what they say there is a cunning double-bluff? I would like to see it though. It sounds most interesting. Unethical as it is I'd be willing to download a high-quality digital recording of it if you can point me to one (by email if you prefer). Your best bet is to email the CBC and ask them (er..beg them) to re-air it and mark it on your calender. Besides the CBC along witht he programme Passionate Eye...has reruns all the time, so I am sure it will be shown again. In fact I think they already did show it again, since I tuned into it thinking it was further developments on the original program. Unfortunately it was the very same show. Mostly its interviews with ex government (now well into their late 70 or 80's for that matter) people who were directly involved or indirectly involved (as in Kubrick's surviving wife). One of the points they make throughout the documentary is that many of the people involved in the conspiracy are now dead, and apparently Nixon almost ordered the "disappearance" of Kubrick because he feared the political fallout if it ever should come forward that the Moon landing pictures which inspired the world, are hoaxed. Fair enough? P.S. I never endorsed the idea that we never went to the moon. That has never been my position, and I would never insult Astronauts in that fashion. NASA is a great machine for a space age, but clearly many things need to be changed for the challenges of a new space age. FOr example: Arthur C. Clarke said and I quote, "I am beginning to think the unthinkable," when he was shown pictures of the surface of one of the moon's of Jupiter or was it Saturn? He said that because the close-up showed perfect strait lines crisscrossing almost the entire surface. It looked like artifical structures anyways. However, he may have said that when he was shown other pictures that the world hasn't been shown? Why, is he special? What gives any government the right to edit out UFO's from pictures or cover up the evidence? I believe future generations will curse the people who kept the truth from the world, despite it being done in the name of "national security". Heck in England people attempt to hoax crop formations all the time, and what does that do for serious science? Absolutely nothing! But the media loves it! Hack even your Prince Phillip is apparently a member of a UFO club. Do you think these billionaires in power the world over don't care about the subject? ET contact is the real story of our time, and unfortunately when the **** hits the fan, its not going to be very good for all the people who have been misled by lies, coverups, and outright fabrications of propaganda. http://www.propagandamatrix.com/blair_protection.html http://www.psywarrior.com/sexandprop.html http://home.att.net/~jvbond0007/war-poster-ex.htm http://libercratic.government.direct...culture/TV.htm Tim |
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Dumb ass..Its night right now, I can see stars. My camera can see them
too. ****in' moron. The Badastronomy web site was made for people like you, dimwits and morons. Dr_Postman wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:26:55 GMT, Yoda wrote: Sigh....NASA releases videos promoting new satellite technology and even their technicians and artists place stars in the background. I can take any camera and place it on a tripod and take pictures of stars. Your telling me NASA sent a camera to the moon, and put it on a tripod and it couldnt take a picture of stars? Give me a break, we aren't all as dumbass about photography as you seem to be. Read this, dumbass: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html#stars -- Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed" Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253. You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com "Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?" - Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time. |
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