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Old April 9th 07, 06:34 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro
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Part - 2

Life at VL2's POOF city is offering somewhat tenuous odds, as rather
dependent upon how much shield is doing how much good, and of the
naked physical truth of having to avoid whatever is passing nearby or
through your POOF that has your name on it. Otherwise this POOF city
should be nearly as safe as ISS, although without benefit of a
magnetosphere as shield from those waves of solar wind that's
continually blowing the upper atmospheric stuff of Venus your way, is
perhaps a bit more of an unknown.

The to/from commute is by itself another potentially testy what-if, or
at best a somewhat iffy consideration, that's likely worth a good 6
months that'll add to your time and unavoidable TBI in space, along
with the 16~18 months spent at VL2. I'm not sure if banked bone
marrow will be sufficient, but I certainly would not bother going
without taking along a well isolated N2 frozen soild cache of my own
bone marrow.

Two years worth of serious BO and other unavoidable considerations may
be asking a bit much from most of us. Possibly at best that amount of
time spent off-world can be cut down to 21 months, though don't count
on it, as if anything it's more than likely going to take a combined
30+ months, and that's if nothing goes terribly wrong. Still all and
all, VL2 being within 100 fold the distance of our moon each and every
19 months isn't imposing 5% of what doing Mars is all about.

We can even utilize our gamma and hard-Xray shedding moon itself as a
gravity boosted exit phace in getting to VL2, and upon our return we
should be able once again to utilize that pesky mascon of a moon as
our gravity parking brake. Because the moon only has that thin sodium
and argon atmosphere to deal with, as such the near miss passage for
achieving the best gravity affect can be safely taken to within a few
km off that moon's physically dark and nasty surface.

As for accomplishing Venus itself is not worth hardly 10% of doing
Mars, as well as representing an absolute win-win for those planning
upon staying for the remainder of their life, as for the notions of
ever returning from any such other world or spore and virus infested
moon is actually not such a good option, that is unless losing a few
hundred million folks upon Earth from whatever can easily infect our
frail environment and otherwise traumatise our poorly engineered DNA
(that'll have not a clue as to how to go about protecting ourselves
from whatever weird little forms of such ET micro life), as for such a
biological what-if being a potentially moral and/or ethical problem,
especially if it were derived from whatever was robust enough for
having been associated with that other planet or moon, shouldn't be
excluded from this or any other argument.

Too bad we don't have those station keeping robust habitats at our
moon's L1 for safely accommodating such crew and passengers returning
from whatever other worlds or moons, or better yet of there being
something deep underground upon our salty moon would become nearly the
ideal biological isolation, offering the ultimate solution that's
close enough to home to suit for all but physical contact.
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Old April 9th 07, 07:10 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Apr 8, 2:39 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:
In sci.physics,

wrote
on 8 Apr 2007 13:25:39 -0700
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On Apr 8, 10:46 am, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:
In sci.physics,
Venus is NOT too hot to touch, at least not with the Ovglove.


Touching Venus is the least of one's worries. The Ovglove
is an oven mitt; to properly characterize the issue one
would have to preheat the oven at the "Super Dooper Hot
Broil" setting (about 860 F), step inside the oven (which,
since this is a thought experiment, would be a walk-in
affair), close the door, and wait for an hour or so.


One is allowed to wear an Ovglove body suit, if one wishes.


To be fair, the atmosphere would have to be extremely dry
within the oven, so one is allowed to sweat (and there are
materials that "breathe", allowing water out; presumably
the Ovglove can be suitably modified); of course, there is
the little issue of replenishing that sweat. I'd frankly
doubt if the "wind chill" factor would be enough to
dissipate sufficient heat to keep the Ovglove wearer alive.


And then there's the little issue of breathing.
Where would the oxygen come from?


The good news: one might be able to read a book without too
much trouble; the lack of O2 within the Venusian atmosphere
should preclude its flashing into flame. Also, surface
gravity shouldn't be too much above 9.805 N/kg.


(Assuming one's brain isn't fried, of course.)


The GOOGLE/Usenet takes in, but lo and behold their topic index of
replies doesn't indicate this following contribution, so I'll try it
once again.


Obviously I Ovglove jest, and obviously the co2--co/o2 (same process
as working on behalf of the Mars mission fiasco) is where the local
needs of whatever O2 is to be found, except in easily available bulk.
The last time I'd checked, Venus had a touch more than its fair share
of co2 (kept nicely bone dry and process preheated to boot), and
otherwise having way more than its fair share of locally renewable
energy to burn (sort of speak), so that you don't have to bother
packing along a nuclear reactor, and at that local pressure your body
doesn't even require all that much O2 (just lots of ice cold beer).


So OK then. How does one convert CO2 to O2 in a 9.3 MPa, 860F
environment?







Before doing Venus in whatever cozy Ovglove protected person, even
though a composite rigid airship/shuttle or whatever 'tomcat' fat-
waverider should more than do the trick, whereas Venus L2 is offering
us the very next best available ticket to ride, and without such
involving any Ovgloves.


Venus L2(VL2) is in fact a POOF friendly and thus offering a
technically worthy location for an entire collective or community of
such inflated habitat items, that can be made quite livable for each
of those 19+ month missions, especially if getting shielded by an
extra meter or more of beer. Obviously I beer jest, as such required
shield density could be accomplished via Gin or Vodka, and
subsequently replaced by good old reliable pee. (waste not, want not)


Only the systematically perverted mindset of this mostly Old Testament
Usenet from naysay hell, that is in any formal disagreement as based
entirely upon their own faith-based crapolla, are of what's getting
this notion terminated, by way of those intent upon keeping all of
those mutually perpetrated cold-war and religious hocus-pocus lids on
tight, as for otherwise their having been focused upon topic/author
bashings, diverting and/or their total banishing upon all that's
Venus. (I think it's mostly a silly Old Testament Jewish thing, along
with those crazy Catholics and a few other cults bringing up the rear)


Unfortunately, ESA's Venus EXPRESS(VIRTIS) mission is keeping itself
every bit as dead as that of whatever our MI/NSA~NASA wants it to be
dead. The thermal imaging data from their robust PFS instrument has
been kept entirely taboo/nondisclosure rated (aka need to know) from
the very get go.


The surface of Venus is still giving off the average of 20.5 w/m2
(roughly 256 fold greater core energy loss than Earth), and the lower
atmospheric environment of Venus (below them relatively cool acidic
clouds) as having in fact been rather nicely insulated at that, as
well as for having incorporated that fairly robust S8 layer as being
an extra nifty solar isolation benefit, so that damn little of the
available solar IR influx ever reaches that geothermally forced
surface or even contributing all that much solar energy into that
dense lower atmosphere, of what's mostly a thick vapor/dry mixture of
S8 and CO2, that's otherwise unavoidably made available and sustained
as being toasty hot from whatever just below the geothermal surface on
up.


Venus is NOT getting solar roasted to death, at least not entirely if
hardly so.


ESA's sorry as hell "status reports" are all the way down to being
robo status quo. It's as though they're down to the science data
sharing dregs of a pair of soup cans and some string.


ESA's mission demise is too bad because, Venus has otherwise been so
nearby (at times merely 100 fold greater distance than our moon), so
otherwise planetology alive and kicking, as well as so ET accessible
(except for the likes of us village heathen idiots that still can't
honestly manage to walk upon our very own nearby moon, and much less
dare live to tell about it w/o involving banked bone marrow).


BTW; why are those other "The Ghost In The Machine" minions so
entirely screwed up?


There's only one, and it's me. :-P Unless I have some strange groupies
attempting to follow my tail or something (STOP THAT OUT THERE YOU
STRANGE GROUPIES! :-) ).

In any event, you are postulating a trip to Venus L2 from Earth, are you
not? This is fine, but one will have to work out exactly how much one
has to transport (are we talking 1 human, 1 family, 1 dozen families, 1
million families, all of humanity?) plus sufficient resources to keep
them alive, starting with a method by which they'd generate electric
power (recall that VL2 is in virtual shadow; the best they might hope
for there is some atmospheric refraction, if that), and whatever else
is needed to get them from here to there.

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Part - 2 - Life at VL2

Surviving at VL2's POOF city is offering somewhat tenuous odds, as
rather dependent upon how much shield is accomplishing how much actual
good, and of the naked physical truth of having to avoid whatever is
passing nearby or through your POOF that has your name on it.
Otherwise this POOF city should be nearly as safe as ISS, although
without benefit of a magnetosphere as shield from those waves upon
waves of solar wind that's continually blowing the upper atmospheric
stuff of Venus directly your way, is perhaps a bit more of an unknown.

The to/from commute is by itself another potentially testy what-if, or
at best a somewhat iffy consideration, that's likely worth a good 6
months that'll add to your time and unavoidable TBI in space, along
with the 16~18 months spent at VL2. I'm not sure if banked bone
marrow will be sufficient, but I certainly would not bother going
without taking along a well isolated N2 frozen soild cache of my own
bone marrow.

Two years worth of serious BO and other unavoidable considerations may
be asking a bit much from most of us. Possibly at best that amount of
time spent off-world can be cut down to 21 months, though don't count
on it, as if anything it's more than likely going to take a combined
30+ months, and that's if nothing goes terribly wrong. Still all and
all, VL2 being within 100 fold the distance of our moon each and every
19 months isn't imposing 5% of what doing Mars is all about.

We can even utilize our gamma and hard-Xray shedding moon itself as a
gravity boosted exit phace in getting to VL2, and upon our return we
should be able once again to utilize that pesky mascon of a moon as
our gravity parking brake. Because the moon only has that thin sodium
and argon atmosphere to deal with, as such the near miss passage for
achieving the best gravity affect can be safely taken to within a few
km off that moon's physically dark and nasty surface.

As for accomplishing Venus itself is not worth hardly 10% of doing
Mars, as well as representing an absolute win-win for those planning
upon staying for the remainder of their life, as for the notions of
ever returning from any such other world or spore and virus infested
moon is actually not such a good option, that is unless losing a few
hundred million folks upon Earth from whatever can easily infect our
frail environment and otherwise traumatise our poorly engineered DNA
(that'll have not a clue as to how to go about protecting ourselves
from whatever weird little forms of such ET micro life), as for such a
biological what-if being a potentially moral and/or ethical problem,
especially if it were derived from whatever was robust enough for
having been associated with that other planet or moon, shouldn't be
excluded from this or any other argument.

Too bad we don't have those station keeping robust habitats at our
moon's L1 for safely accommodating such crew and passengers returning
from whatever other worlds or moons, or better yet of there being
something deep underground upon our salty moon would become nearly the
ideal biological isolation, offering the ultimate solution that's
close enough to home to suit for all but physical contact.
-
Brad Guth

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Old April 10th 07, 03:19 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro
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If your DNA doesn't like those nasty energy spectrums of gamma and
Xrays, then by all means POOF VL2 and/or best the toasty surface of,
or for certain that of cruising just above the deck of Venus is for
you.

For other than having to cope with the little extra to/from commute,
POOF VL2 is better off than anything related to surviving onboard ISS/
ESS, however for those souls brave enough for getting situated well
enough below those relatively cool nighttime clouds of Venus, is by
far offering the most solar and/or cosmic energy isolation in town.

Unless Venus itself is terribly radioactive (of which in spots like
our cosmic and solar energy collective morgue of a moon has to deal
with, whereas Venus most certainly should be in places rather nicely
radioactive since it's somewhat newer than Earth to begin with),
whereas you and your frail DNA would be much better off situated below
such acidic clouds or possibly as directly upon the toasty surface of
Venus (not each and every m2 is as hot as the next), as offering fewer
rad/year and thereby better off for our frail DNA than living on Earth
that's losing its protective magnetosphere at the ongoing demise of -.
05%/year, of which will only further lead our badly failing
environment towards more atmospheric tonnage loss from that point on,
thereby compounding as to further affecting our loss of solar/cosmic
shield benefits, that which our frail DNA can barely manage as is to
survive without showing signs of skin and internal DNA damage.

However, at the nearly 100 bar nighttime worth of the Venusian surface
environment, whereas that thick and terribly buoyant S8/Co2 atmosphere
is going to provide an extremely good amount of shield density against
whatever's locally radioactive. Therefore, even up against some of
the most radioactive locations on Venus are not going to impose all
that much local trauma to those of us in our cozy Ovglove jump suits,
or much less affecting those of us cruising efficiently nearby in our
composite rigid airship.

There's actually much fewer negative aspects of artificially
sustaining life on Venus than positive ones. Most everything about
Venus is actually working on our behalf, including the matter of fact
that's its often so extremely nearby, and otherwise just as it has
been doing so on behalf of accommodating those other smart ETs or
possibly locals as having been doing their natural thing in a very big
and obvious way.
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Old April 10th 07, 03:24 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.usenet.kooks
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wrote:

If your DNA doesn't like those nasty energy spectrums of gamma and
Xrays, then by all means POOF VL2 and/or best the toasty surface of,
or for certain that of cruising just above the deck of Venus is for
you.


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz

Wha? Did you say something, Brad?

--
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"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen

"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen
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Old April 10th 07, 06:02 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.usenet.kooks
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In sci.physics, Art Deco

wrote
on Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:24:51 -0600
:
wrote:

If your DNA doesn't like those nasty energy spectrums of gamma and
Xrays, then by all means POOF VL2 and/or best the toasty surface of,
or for certain that of cruising just above the deck of Venus is for
you.


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz

Wha? Did you say something, Brad?


Oh, he said something all right. Whether it's
comprehensible to those of us who like to think in more
conventional terms is very difficult to say. :-)

In any event, VL2 is far enough away from Venus to require
a very long arm to touch Venus. Of course one might
envision a shuttlebus or some such -- assuming there's
anything really worth seeing apart from Venusian cloud
formations.

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Old April 10th 07, 05:28 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.usenet.kooks
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The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

In sci.physics, Art Deco

wrote
on Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:24:51 -0600
:
wrote:

If your DNA doesn't like those nasty energy spectrums of gamma and
Xrays, then by all means POOF VL2 and/or best the toasty surface of,
or for certain that of cruising just above the deck of Venus is for
you.


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz

Wha? Did you say something, Brad?


Oh, he said something all right. Whether it's
comprehensible to those of us who like to think in more
conventional terms is very difficult to say. :-)


Sorry, I nodded off as soon as I opened his post.

In any event, VL2 is far enough away from Venus to require
a very long arm to touch Venus. Of course one might
envision a shuttlebus or some such -- assuming there's
anything really worth seeing apart from Venusian cloud
formations.


Just part of his endless and tortured rationalization via grasping at
any straws for someone to go to Venus and verify his over-processed
radar images really show cities on the surface.

--
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"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen

"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen
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Old April 10th 07, 06:24 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro
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On Apr 9, 10:02 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:
In sci.physics, Art Deco

wrote
on Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:24:51 -0600
:

wrote:


If your DNA doesn't like those nasty energy spectrums of gamma and
Xrays, then by all means POOF VL2 and/or best the toasty surface of,
or for certain that of cruising just above the deck of Venus is for
you.


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz


Wha? Did you say something, Brad?


Oh, he said something all right. Whether it's
comprehensible to those of us who like to think in more
conventional terms is very difficult to say. :-)

In any event, VL2 is far enough away from Venus to require
a very long arm to touch Venus. Of course one might
envision a shuttlebus or some such -- assuming there's
anything really worth seeing apart from Venusian cloud
formations.

--
#191,
If your CPU can't stand the heat, get another fan.

--
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Once again, I'll have to ask; what ever happened to that other nice
"The Ghost In The Machine", that not only wasn't a Jewish Third Reich
minion, but would never have intentionally posted into their
"alt.fan.art-bell and alt.usenet.kooks" cultism?

Is this the official LLPOF "The Ghost In The Machine", or is it of
some other borg member of your silly group of such ****ology expertise
that's otherwise more Jewish than not?

How much of Art Deco and the like of such butt sucking is your LLPOF
mindset actually worth these days?

Your statements to Art Deco are clearly telling of your intended
actions. Is Art Deco your MI/NSA boss, or is he just your assigned
team leader?
-
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Old April 10th 07, 06:26 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.usenet.kooks
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"Art Deco" wrote in message

Sorry, I nodded off as soon as I opened his post.

Happens to really Old Jizz-heads.

HJ


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Old April 10th 07, 07:29 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.usenet.kooks
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wrote:

On Apr 9, 10:02 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:
In sci.physics, Art Deco

wrote
on Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:24:51 -0600
:

wrote:


If your DNA doesn't like those nasty energy spectrums of gamma and
Xrays, then by all means POOF VL2 and/or best the toasty surface of,
or for certain that of cruising just above the deck of Venus is for
you.


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz


Wha? Did you say something, Brad?


Oh, he said something all right. Whether it's
comprehensible to those of us who like to think in more
conventional terms is very difficult to say. :-)

In any event, VL2 is far enough away from Venus to require
a very long arm to touch Venus. Of course one might
envision a shuttlebus or some such -- assuming there's
anything really worth seeing apart from Venusian cloud
formations.

--
#191,
If your CPU can't stand the heat, get another fan.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com


Once again, I'll have to ask; what ever happened to that other nice
"The Ghost In The Machine", that not only wasn't a Jewish Third Reich
minion, but would never have intentionally posted into their
"alt.fan.art-bell and alt.usenet.kooks" cultism?

Is this the official LLPOF "The Ghost In The Machine", or is it of
some other borg member of your silly group of such ****ology expertise
that's otherwise more Jewish than not?

How much of Art Deco and the like of such butt sucking is your LLPOF
mindset actually worth these days?

Your statements to Art Deco are clearly telling of your intended
actions. Is Art Deco your MI/NSA boss, or is he just your assigned
team leader?


Obsession with me noted, Brad.

As you've been told many, many times, you are always on-topic in AUK
and AFA-B.

--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco

"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen

"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen
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Old April 10th 07, 08:14 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro
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Too bad the truth as to Venus L2 can't even be allowed to surface, at
least not without having to take a serious butt load of mainstream
flak, much the same as for sharing anything about our moon's L1.

Now we're getting the GOOGLE "Server Error" message, as yet another
remote method of keeping those perpetrated cold-war lids on tight. I
guess it's yet another MI/NSA Jewish butt saving thing.

Usenet butt dragging is obviously working, at keeping some of us
honest folks from posting more than our fair share.
-
Brad Guth

 




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