How cool is VL2

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on 15 Apr 2007 14:49:14 -0700
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On Apr 15, 1:47 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:

I for one see little point in putting anything in
VL2 except for the "Wow, we could go there" factor
(touristing). Admittedly, one might be able to
gather additional Venusian climatologic data. I'm
not sure how that would help Earth avoid global warming.

Your all-knowing naysayism is well noted, and fully expected.

Of course. But you're going to have to write a coherent proposal to the
venture capitalists at some point. What's the return on investment
here?



As for the more daunting deed or task of accomplishing Venus, such as
via the composite rigid airship, is also doable for many valid reasons.
The first of such efforts would likely be fully robotic, while easily
remote controlled from the relative safety of VL2 (aka POOF city).

Only if the dirigible doesn't wander over to the Sunward
side of the planet. Remember -- it's rotating. (Slowly,
but it does rotate.)

The atmosphere is more retrograde at altitude, less retrograde near
the deck, you freaking idiot. Perhaps as little as 100 w/tonne will
do just fine and dandy, although I'd like having a full kw/tonne (just
in case).

By day it's only a wee bit hotter, with perhaps as little as 15 w/m2
getting through those thick and roubst clouds. The primary thermal
energy of 20.5 w/m2 is obtained from deck, that which can remain
sufficiently isolated by way of that toasty deck remaining 25 km below
the otherwise efficiently cruising composite rigid airship.


Leaving VL2 for the planet Venus itself may get more than a bit touch
and go for getting that composite rigid airship safely through those
thick and robust clouds,

That may not be a major problem if the dirigible is
inflated -- presumably using liquid helium carried on board
-- *after* it gets to a certain pressure. Getting back
to VL2 might be interesting, though.

What inflated? It's a composite hard shell, if need be made of solid
titanium, and/or that of also having a robust basalt fiber composite
as the outter most layer.

Your physics on behalf of such a modern airship is obviously stuck
deeply within the nearest WWII space toilet of naysayism again. You
really are an old fart, arnt you.

Ah, I see. So you're going to compensate for the up to 1 megaPascal
precisely how? I'm not sure that composites are *that* strong.



plus a few pesky layers of haze that's mostly
an acidic bath of an environment until getting well enough below 35 km,

35 km would eventually fry the occupants unless the
dirigible had sufficient power to operate a heat pump/AC
unit. At 35km the temperature according to Magellin is
over 400 K, well above boiling water (at least at Earth
pressure).

I was thinking of 25 km by night, thus potentially a little hotter
yet. So what if it's hot outside? (I've got R1024/m worth of
insulation, and surplus energy to boot incorporated rather nicely into
my airship)

R1024 merely delays the inevitable by 1024 times, if you don't have a
cooling system.



http://nova.stanford.edu/projects/mod/profile.html

25km might be over 500K, although for some reason Magellan
could not prenetrate that far.

Within the extended nighttime season, it might be near the 450K mark.
Though once again, so what?

Did you want your passengers to enjoy the scenery as they're being
served dinner, or be served for dinner because of the scenery? :-P



whereas efficiently cruising above that geothermally toasty deck (say 25
km) wheere it's somewhat retrograde and otherwise clear sailing, fairly
calm and only slightly warm to the Ovglove touch (sort of speak) of
what's outside of thos composite rigid airship.

Stick your head in an oven operating at 500K = 441F.
Are you trying to move humanity around on Venus, or cook
human pizzas? :-)

Are all such Jews as funny and otherwise as totally dumbfounded as
yourself?

Hahahafunny. As if my religious persuasion is of any relevance to this
argument at all.

Note the #191. I'll refer you to Michelle Malkin for its significance.



If you can help, please do so by way of becoming a positive and thus
constructive topic contributor. You could even become the first soul in
Usenet to actually do so.

OK. What, precisely, did you want to accomplish here?
- Manned landing *on* Venus?
- Manned mission to the Venusian atmosphere at a certain altitude?
- Manned mission to VL2?
- Major population transference to VL2, establishing a large "floating
city" to save humanity?
- Development of a major new fuel source that can be transported from
Venus back to Earth?

Those are all perfectly good ones. Perhaps we should first ask for
their permission before barging in and taking whatever from Venus
(after all, it didn't work so well for our doing Iraq).

Asking whom? The Russians? They're the ones sending the first probes
to Venus.

Of course one needn't ask permission of anyone to sit at one's VL2
point, unless something is already at the VL2 point (in which case that
would be fairly good evidence for Venusian activity).

VL2 seems a
rather safe bet, from which all sorts of Venus and solar related
science could safely take place without having to push any of those
'do not push' Venusian or ET buttons.

What Venusian ET buttons?


Why don't you select upon something you like, and then contribute in a
fully positive/constructive way?

Pick anything from that brief list of your's, that you're obviously
such an all-knowing wizard about. If need be, I'll update and post my
old list of 100+ worthy things about accomplishing VL2 and of
accomplishing Venus, that sooner or later will need to get resolved.

So OK then. Make it a business plan and/or research grant.

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Brad Guth


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John C,
Try to not hijack my topic, by way of giving it a new name or having
posted into those other cesspool groups of mostly Jewish Third Reich
damage-control ****ology "alt.fan.art-bell, alt.usenet.kooks".

Anyone with half a village idiot brain knows exactly what's going
down, though obviously deathly afraid of what those Jewish MIB will do
if they so much as contributed an honest word on my behalf.
-
Brad Guth

In sci.physics, Art Deco

wrote
on Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:12:26 -0600
:
Brad Guth wrote:

plus that other one of their not
having to deal with that pesky gamma and Xray dosage of a moon

How does the Moon generate these high-energy photons, Brad?


EGRET in fact shows that gamma ray radiation on the Moon is higher than
the Sun's.

http://www.aas.org/publications/baas...s/S025002.html

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap970210.html

Granted, this doesn't answer how, but it might answer what.

It's not clear to me how many sieverts or grays this would be.

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whereas efficiently cruising above that geothermally toasty deck (say 25
km) wheere it's somewhat retrograde and otherwise clear sailing, fairly
calm and only slightly warm to the Ovglove touch (sort of speak) of
what's outside of thos composite rigid airship.

Stick your head in an oven operating at 500K = 441F.
Are you trying to move humanity around on Venus, or cook
human pizzas? :-)

Are all such Jews as funny and otherwise as totally dumbfounded as
yourself?

The evul jooos are hinding under your bed, bigot.

--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco

"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen

"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen

wrote:

John C,
Try to not hijack my topic, by way of giving it a new name or having
posted into those other cesspool groups of mostly Jewish Third Reich
damage-control ****ology "alt.fan.art-bell, alt.usenet.kooks".

Anyone with half a village idiot brain knows exactly what's going
down, though obviously deathly afraid of what those Jewish MIB will do
if they so much as contributed an honest word on my behalf.

Try to realize that you are just a powerless kook, GuthBall.

--
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"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen

"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen

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On Apr 15, 2:51 pm, "John \"C\"" wrote:
"Art Deco" wrote in message

... In article
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On Apr 15, 2:09 am, "T Wake" wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote in

messagenews




In article ,
"T Wake" wrote:

Thats the worst excuse I've ever heard for a loon being unable to
keep
his machine stable. Buy a Mac or something, loon.

Better still, pencil and paper...

Pencils are sharp....

Fair one.

Crayons and wax paper. (we may have to just bear the risk of paper
cuts)

Why don't you folks stick with pretending at being such born-again
idiots. Otherwise, isn't your being such brown-nosed clowns getting
somewhat old?

Poor Brad, everyone except outhouse john laughs at his Moon, Mars, and
Venus delusions.

He posts more intelligent info than you do, Pecker smoocher Deco.

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Thanks, but try to not hijack my topic, by giving it a new name or
having posted into those other cesspool groups of mostly Jewish Third
Reich ****ology.

You are a vile bigot, Guth.

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"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen

"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen

"Art Deco" wrote in message
...
wrote:

whereas efficiently cruising above that geothermally toasty deck (say
25
km) wheere it's somewhat retrograde and otherwise clear sailing,
fairly
calm and only slightly warm to the Ovglove touch (sort of speak) of
what's outside of thos composite rigid airship.

Stick your head in an oven operating at 500K = 441F.
Are you trying to move humanity around on Venus, or cook
human pizzas? :-)

Are all such Jews as funny and otherwise as totally dumbfounded as
yourself?

The evul jooos are hinding under your bed, bigot.

We need to call the "Jooo Buster" Nazi Art Deco, then. Voted "The most
Retarded Alpine Nazi Goat Humper" a few months back. Still trying to RUN
AWAY from your award Deco?

HJ

The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

In sci.physics, Art Deco

wrote
on Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:12:26 -0600
:
Brad Guth wrote:

plus that other one of their not
having to deal with that pesky gamma and Xray dosage of a moon

How does the Moon generate these high-energy photons, Brad?


EGRET in fact shows that gamma ray radiation on the Moon is higher than
the Sun's.

http://www.aas.org/publications/baas...s/S025002.html

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap970210.html

Granted, this doesn't answer how, but it might answer what.

It's not clear to me how many sieverts or grays this would be.

That's pretty interesting. Still it doesn't support Guth's assertion
that humans would be DOA as soon as they got anywhere near the Moon.
Also, the return of 36 humans from lunar orbit in good health seals the
issue.

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"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen

"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen

In article ,
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:


How does the Moon generate these high-energy photons, Brad?


EGRET in fact shows that gamma ray radiation on the Moon is higher than
the Sun's.


The moon is not GENERATING those photons.

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In sci.physics, Phineas T Puddleduck

wrote
on Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:24:42 +0100
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In article ,
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:


How does the Moon generate these high-energy photons, Brad?


EGRET in fact shows that gamma ray radiation on the Moon is higher than
the Sun's.


The moon is not GENERATING those photons.


Maybe not, but it is part of the process. Presumably,
it's a nice large target for positrons to wander in,
hit something, and generate photons.

Or perhaps it's something else. I'd have to look. It's
interesting either way, but apparently not lethal; Buzz
Aldrin after all survived long enough to punch someone
in the nose after said someone asked a stupid question,
many years later. ;-)

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