How cool is VL2

On Apr 15, 2:09 am, "T Wake" wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote in messagenews
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Thats the worst excuse I've ever heard for a loon being unable to keep
his machine stable. Buy a Mac or something, loon.

Better still, pencil and paper...

Pencils are sharp....

Fair one.

Crayons and wax paper. (we may have to just bear the risk of paper cuts)

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Why don't you folks stick with pretending at being such born-again
idiots. Otherwise, isn't your being such brown-nosed clowns getting
somewhat old?


Says the man who continues to believes there are cities on Venus due to
artefacts from excessive Photoshopping?

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On Apr 15, 2:09 am, "T Wake" wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote in
messagenews
In article ,
"T Wake" wrote:

Thats the worst excuse I've ever heard for a loon being unable to keep
his machine stable. Buy a Mac or something, loon.

Better still, pencil and paper...

Pencils are sharp....

Fair one.

Crayons and wax paper. (we may have to just bear the risk of paper cuts)

Why don't you folks stick with pretending at being such born-again
idiots. Otherwise, isn't your being such brown-nosed clowns getting
somewhat old?

Poor Brad, everyone except outhouse john laughs at his Moon, Mars, and
Venus delusions.

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In spite of all the ongoing gauntlet of topic/author stalking and
orchestrated bashings, Venus L2(VL2) is most certainly offering a cool
enough environment for the Bigelow Aerospace / Nautilus (aka POOF) to
coexist without ever overheating. That's actually an extremely
important space station/habitat factor, plus that other one of their not
having to deal with that pesky gamma and Xray dosage of a moon as being
anywhere in sight, is simply another win-win while having to spend so
much time at VL2, nearly ideal for salvaging the old DNA gipper on
behalf of such an extended mission is after all a mission requirement,
unless having a POOF unit full of dead clients and the loss of whatever
crew, which isn't very good PR.

As for the more daunting deed or task of accomplishing Venus, such as
via the composite rigid airship, is also doable for many valid reasons.
The first of such efforts would likely be fully robotic, while easily
remote controlled from the relative safety of VL2 (aka POOF city).

Leaving VL2 for the planet Venus itself may get more than a bit touch
and go for getting that composite rigid airship safely through those
thick and robust clouds, plus a few pesky layers of haze that's mostly
an acidic bath of an environment until getting well enough below 35 km,
whereas efficiently cruising above that geothermally toasty deck (say 25
km) wheere it's somewhat retrograde and otherwise clear sailing, fairly
calm and only slightly warm to the Ovglove touch (sort of speak) of
what's outside of thos composite rigid airship.

There's actually a vast amount of extremely interesting and demanding
R&D, plus an ongoing need for the very best of our applied expertise,
none of which seems remotely available within this anti-think-tank of
Usenet that's of mostly applied bigotry, arrogance, greed and loads of
all the usual naysayism applied upon anything that doesn't 100+% support
their Old Testament status quo, or perhaps it's just a normal gay Jewish
thing among all these Usenet minions doing their MI/NSA job.

If you can help, please do so by way of becoming a positive and thus
constructive topic contributor. You could even become the first soul in
Usenet to actually do so.
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"Brad Guth" wrote:

In spite of all the ongoing gauntlet of topic/author stalking and
orchestrated bashings, Venus L2(VL2) is most certainly offering a cool
enough environment for the Bigelow Aerospace / Nautilus (aka POOF) to
coexist without ever overheating.


http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ar/venera.html

Venera

The Russian Venera probes represent a long-term commitment to
exploration of the planet Venus. These probes form the majority of the
20 or so spacecraft which have visited Venus since 1970. The Russian
space program sought to explore the atmosphere and surface, while the
U.S. Mariner program concentrated on radar mapping of the surface from
orbit. The Venera 4 through Venera 12 probes parachuted into the Venus
atmosphere between 1967 and 1978. The earlier ones were crushed by the
atmosphere before reaching the surface, but Venera 7 became the first
spacecraft to soft-land on the planet. It survived 23 minutes, radioing
back information on atmospheric pressure and temperature. A number of
the later Venera craft survived for up to an hour in the harsh Venusian
atmosphere and sent back photographs of the surface and analyses of the
air and soil. In 1983 the Venera 15 and Venera 16 orbiters sent back
detailed radar maps of large parts of the northern hemisphere of Venus.
The resolution was about 2 km.


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wrote
on Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:17:25 +0000 (UTC)
lgate.org:
In spite of all the ongoing gauntlet of topic/author stalking and
orchestrated bashings, Venus L2(VL2) is most certainly offering a cool
enough environment for the Bigelow Aerospace / Nautilus (aka POOF) to
coexist without ever overheating. That's actually an extremely
important space station/habitat factor, plus that other one of their not
having to deal with that pesky gamma and Xray dosage of a moon as being
anywhere in sight, is simply another win-win while having to spend so
much time at VL2, nearly ideal for salvaging the old DNA gipper on
behalf of such an extended mission is after all a mission requirement,
unless having a POOF unit full of dead clients and the loss of whatever
crew, which isn't very good PR.

I for one see little point in putting anything in
VL2 except for the "Wow, we could go there" factor
(touristing). Admittedly, one might be able to
gather additional Venusian climatologic data. I'm
not sure how that would help Earth avoid global warming.


As for the more daunting deed or task of accomplishing Venus, such as
via the composite rigid airship, is also doable for many valid reasons.
The first of such efforts would likely be fully robotic, while easily
remote controlled from the relative safety of VL2 (aka POOF city).

Only if the dirigible doesn't wander over to the Sunward
side of the planet. Remember -- it's rotating. (Slowly,
but it does rotate.)


Leaving VL2 for the planet Venus itself may get more than a bit touch
and go for getting that composite rigid airship safely through those
thick and robust clouds,

That may not be a major problem if the dirigible is
inflated -- presumably using liquid helium carried on board
-- *after* it gets to a certain pressure. Getting back
to VL2 might be interesting, though.

plus a few pesky layers of haze that's mostly
an acidic bath of an environment until getting well enough below 35 km,

35 km would eventually fry the occupants unless the
dirigible had sufficient power to operate a heat pump/AC
unit. At 35km the temperature according to Magellin is
over 400 K, well above boiling water (at least at Earth
pressure).

http://nova.stanford.edu/projects/mod/profile.html

25km might be over 500K, although for some reason Magellan
could not prenetrate that far.

whereas efficiently cruising above that geothermally toasty deck (say 25
km) wheere it's somewhat retrograde and otherwise clear sailing, fairly
calm and only slightly warm to the Ovglove touch (sort of speak) of
what's outside of thos composite rigid airship.

Stick your head in an oven operating at 500K = 441F.
Are you trying to move humanity around on Venus, or cook
human pizzas? :-)


There's actually a vast amount of extremely interesting and demanding
R&D, plus an ongoing need for the very best of our applied expertise,
none of which seems remotely available within this anti-think-tank of
Usenet that's of mostly applied bigotry, arrogance, greed and loads of
all the usual naysayism applied upon anything that doesn't 100+% support
their Old Testament status quo, or perhaps it's just a normal gay Jewish
thing among all these Usenet minions doing their MI/NSA job.

If you can help, please do so by way of becoming a positive and thus
constructive topic contributor. You could even become the first soul in
Usenet to actually do so.

OK. What, precisely, did you want to accomplish here?
- Manned landing *on* Venus?
- Manned mission to the Venusian atmosphere at a certain altitude?
- Manned mission to VL2?
- Major population transference to VL2, establishing a large "floating
city" to save humanity?
- Development of a major new fuel source that can be transported from
Venus back to Earth?

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Brad Guth wrote:

plus that other one of their not
having to deal with that pesky gamma and Xray dosage of a moon

How does the Moon generate these high-energy photons, Brad?

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On Apr 15, 1:47 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:

I for one see little point in putting anything in
VL2 except for the "Wow, we could go there" factor
(touristing). Admittedly, one might be able to
gather additional Venusian climatologic data. I'm
not sure how that would help Earth avoid global warming.

Your all-knowing naysayism is well noted, and fully expected.


As for the more daunting deed or task of accomplishing Venus, such as
via the composite rigid airship, is also doable for many valid reasons.
The first of such efforts would likely be fully robotic, while easily
remote controlled from the relative safety of VL2 (aka POOF city).

Only if the dirigible doesn't wander over to the Sunward
side of the planet. Remember -- it's rotating. (Slowly,
but it does rotate.)

The atmosphere is more retrograde at altitude, less retrograde near
the deck, you freaking idiot. Perhaps as little as 100 w/tonne will
do just fine and dandy, although I'd like having a full kw/tonne (just
in case).

By day it's only a wee bit hotter, with perhaps as little as 15 w/m2
getting through those thick and roubst clouds. The primary thermal
energy of 20.5 w/m2 is obtained from deck, that which can remain
sufficiently isolated by way of that toasty deck remaining 25 km below
the otherwise efficiently cruising composite rigid airship.


Leaving VL2 for the planet Venus itself may get more than a bit touch
and go for getting that composite rigid airship safely through those
thick and robust clouds,

That may not be a major problem if the dirigible is
inflated -- presumably using liquid helium carried on board
-- *after* it gets to a certain pressure. Getting back
to VL2 might be interesting, though.

What inflated? It's a composite hard shell, if need be made of solid
titanium, and/or that of also having a robust basalt fiber composite
as the outter most layer.

Your physics on behalf of such a modern airship is obviously stuck
deeply within the nearest WWII space toilet of naysayism again. You
really are an old fart, arnt you.


plus a few pesky layers of haze that's mostly
an acidic bath of an environment until getting well enough below 35 km,

35 km would eventually fry the occupants unless the
dirigible had sufficient power to operate a heat pump/AC
unit. At 35km the temperature according to Magellin is
over 400 K, well above boiling water (at least at Earth
pressure).

I was thinking of 25 km by night, thus potentially a little hotter
yet. So what if it's hot outside? (I've got R1024/m worth of
insulation, and surplus energy to boot incorporated rather nicely into
my airship)


http://nova.stanford.edu/projects/mod/profile.html

25km might be over 500K, although for some reason Magellan
could not prenetrate that far.

Within the extended nighttime season, it might be near the 450K mark.
Though once again, so what?


whereas efficiently cruising above that geothermally toasty deck (say 25
km) wheere it's somewhat retrograde and otherwise clear sailing, fairly
calm and only slightly warm to the Ovglove touch (sort of speak) of
what's outside of thos composite rigid airship.

Stick your head in an oven operating at 500K = 441F.
Are you trying to move humanity around on Venus, or cook
human pizzas? :-)

Are all such Jews as funny and otherwise as totally dumbfounded as
yourself?


If you can help, please do so by way of becoming a positive and thus
constructive topic contributor. You could even become the first soul in
Usenet to actually do so.

OK. What, precisely, did you want to accomplish here?
- Manned landing *on* Venus?
- Manned mission to the Venusian atmosphere at a certain altitude?
- Manned mission to VL2?
- Major population transference to VL2, establishing a large "floating
city" to save humanity?
- Development of a major new fuel source that can be transported from
Venus back to Earth?

Those are all perfectly good ones. Perhaps we should first ask for
their permission before barging in and taking whatever from Venus
(after all, it didn't work so well for our doing Iraq). VL2 seems a
rather safe bet, from which all sorts of Venus and solar related
science could safely take place without having to push any of those
'do not push' Venusian or ET buttons.

Why don't you select upon something you like, and then contribute in a
fully positive/constructive way?

Pick anything from that brief list of your's, that you're obviously
such an all-knowing wizard about. If need be, I'll update and post my
old list of 100+ worthy things about accomplishing VL2 and of
accomplishing Venus, that sooner or later will need to get resolved.
-
Brad Guth

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On Apr 15, 2:09 am, "T Wake" wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote in

messagenews

In article ,
"T Wake" wrote:

Thats the worst excuse I've ever heard for a loon being unable to
keep
his machine stable. Buy a Mac or something, loon.

Better still, pencil and paper...

Pencils are sharp....

Fair one.

Crayons and wax paper. (we may have to just bear the risk of paper
cuts)

Why don't you folks stick with pretending at being such born-again
idiots. Otherwise, isn't your being such brown-nosed clowns getting
somewhat old?

Poor Brad, everyone except outhouse john laughs at his Moon, Mars, and
Venus delusions.

He posts more intelligent info than you do, Pecker smoocher Deco.

HJ

On Apr 15, 2:51 pm, "John \"C\"" wrote:
"Art Deco" wrote in message

... In article .com,
wrote:

On Apr 15, 2:09 am, "T Wake" wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote in

messagenews




In article ,
"T Wake" wrote:

Thats the worst excuse I've ever heard for a loon being unable to
keep
his machine stable. Buy a Mac or something, loon.

Better still, pencil and paper...

Pencils are sharp....

Fair one.

Crayons and wax paper. (we may have to just bear the risk of paper
cuts)

Why don't you folks stick with pretending at being such born-again
idiots. Otherwise, isn't your being such brown-nosed clowns getting
somewhat old?

Poor Brad, everyone except outhouse john laughs at his Moon, Mars, and
Venus delusions.

He posts more intelligent info than you do, Pecker smoocher Deco.

HJ- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks, but try to not hijack my topic, by giving it a new name or
having posted into those other cesspool groups of mostly Jewish Third
Reich ****ology.
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