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Old April 15th 07, 12:31 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.usenet.kooks
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On Apr 14, 9:44 am, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:

Assuming a scale height of 9 km (Google is being
maddeningly unclear on the matter), I get 6.3 * 10^19
moles for the entire atmosphere. Sulfuric acid would then
be 1.89 * 10^11 moles or 1.85 * 10^10 kg, again assuming
the 0.0000003%.


The first 9 km worth of that thick and robust Venus atmosphere is
sharing almost nothing to speak of. It's called cover thy butt
science, whereas fairly recently they had been using the first 15 km
worth, and thereby taking the revised 9 km worth of scale height is
what makes their old numbers look as those they'd actually been
honestly derived by way of the best available science. The true scale
height of the Venus atmosphere is actually worth a little better than
150 km, and possibly as great as 175 km.


This is far too much handwaving for my liking, admittedly, and
this acid would be distributed Venus-wide, making extraction
of all of it difficult.


Basic laws of physics blows most of your "handwaving" out the window.

Your naysayism and anti-think-tank mindset is per usual spoken like a
good little Third Reich minion. There's still a little too much brown
on that silly nose of your's, isn't there.

Those interesting and most likely extremely acidic clouds don't hardly
start in until getting well enough past the 40+ km mark (somewhat haze
worthy below 45 km), and there's still a good deal of a top side haze
that's going past the altitude of 100 km. At 150+ km there's even a
layer of what's mostly O2 to work with. By far the best part of the
Venusian atmosphere has been systematically excluded or otherwise
banished from what should have been the hot topic of understanding why
so little of that solar IR energy gets down to the deck.

It's roughly a 1 bar environment of what's most extensively S8 in the
atmospheric realm of 50 km. The element of S8 has a SG worth of 2 g/
cm3, and as you continue upward it's obviously getting even cooler
(less vapor and more of S8 solids to deal with), and that ratio of
elements should thereby become more worthy of becoming mostly Co2
that's clearly a less massive element than S8.

Just a few km below the 50 km mark (especially if going by that long
season of nighttime), there's a fairly robust layer of concentrated S8
to deal with. Of course h2o and S8 makes for a rather nasty acid,
that's likely to being wet anywhere near or above the 50 km mark.

John Ackerman offers a reasonably good interpretation of the best
available science, thereby shares his honest review and subsequent
analogy of what's available, and as such it's not nearly as slight as
we've been informed. There's simply more of that Venusian water to
behold, of what's likely formulated within those acidic clouds and
extensive zones or layer of haze, than is otherwise given credit by
the likes of whatever's suggested by way of our NASA and of having
obtained their mostly Jewish peer review's stamp of approval.

BTW; the GOOGLE/Usenet gauntlet of spermware/****ware is running
extremely hot and nasty these days, as my poor old PC keeps getting
nailed to death by an extra butt-load of their nasty crapolla, as it
deploys yet another tonne of their damage-control flak.
-
Brad Guth

  #122  
Old April 15th 07, 12:35 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.usenet.kooks
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In article .com,
wrote:

Basic laws of physics blows most of your "handwaving" out the window



And what would YOU know about that??

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Old April 15th 07, 12:41 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.usenet.kooks
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wrote:

BTW; the GOOGLE/Usenet gauntlet of spermware/****ware is running
extremely hot and nasty these days, as my poor old PC keeps getting
nailed to death by an extra butt-load of their nasty crapolla, as it
deploys yet another tonne of their damage-control flak.


Poor Brad, soooo clueless.

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  #124  
Old April 15th 07, 01:02 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.usenet.kooks
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Unlike those claiming to know all there is to know (the likes of Art
Deco and of his bed wetting partner Phineas T Puddleduck), usually
insisting that all others are worth far less than village idiot
status, whereas I simply do not know everything, and therefore I ask
those pesky questions that tend to go unanswered, whereas then I have
to make due with my exploratory research and deductive reasoning
that's often easier said than accomplished, so I've unavoidably made
my fair share of honest mistakes, that which anyone with half again as
much brain should have been able to easily correct, and without their
having to make such a big fuss.

On Apr 14, 9:44 am, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:
Assuming a scale height of 9 km (Google is being
maddeningly unclear on the matter), I get 6.3 * 10^19
moles for the entire atmosphere. Sulfuric acid would then
be 1.89 * 10^11 moles or 1.85 * 10^10 kg, again assuming
the 0.0000003%.


Why is it allowed for others and yourself to assume, and not for the
likes of myself?

The first 9 km worth of that thick and robust Venus atmosphere is
sharing almost nothing to speak of. It's called cover thy butt
science, whereas up unitl fairly recently they had been using the
first 15 km worth, and thereby taking their revised 9 km worth of
scale height is what makes their old numbers look as though they'd
actually been honestly derived by way of the best available science.
The true scale height of the Venus atmosphere is actually worth a
little better than 150 km, and possibly worth as great as 175 km.


This is far too much handwaving for my liking, admittedly, and
this acid would be distributed Venus-wide, making extraction
of all of it difficult.


Basic laws of physics blows most of your "handwaving" out the window.

Your naysayism and anti-think-tank mindset is per usual spoken like a
good little Third Reich minion. There's still a little too much brown
on that silly nose of your's, isn't there.

Those interesting and most likely extremely acidic clouds don't hardly
begin until getting well enough past the 40+ km mark (somewhat mostly
haze worthy below 45 km), and there's still a good deal of a top side
haze that's going past the altitude of 100 km. At 150+ km there's
even a layer of what's mostly O2 to work with. By far the best part
of the Venusian atmosphere has been systematically excluded or
otherwise banished from what should have been the hot topic of
understanding why so little of that solar IR energy gets down to the
deck.

At a given altitude it's roughly a 1 bar environment of what's most
extensively S8 in the atmospheric realm of 50 km. The element of S8
has a SG worth of 2 g/cm3, and as you continue upward it's obviously
getting even cooler (less vapor and more of S8 solids to deal with),
and that ratio of elements should thereby become more worthy of
becoming mostly Co2 that's clearly a less massive element than S8.

Just a few km below that 50 km mark (especially if we're going by that
long season of nighttime), there's a fairly robust layer of
concentrated S8 to deal with. Of course h2o and S8 makes for a rather
nasty acid, that's likely to being wet anywhere near or above the 50
km mark.

John Ackerman offers a reasonably good interpretation of the best
available science, thereby shares his honest review and subsequent
analogy of what's available, and as such it's not nearly as slight or
otherwise insignificant as we've been informed. There's simply more
of that Venusian water to behold, of what's likely formulated within
those acidic clouds and extensive zones or layer of haze, than
otherwise given credit by the likes of whatever's suggested by way of
our NASA and of having obtained their mostly Jewish peer review's
stamp of approval.

BTW; the GOOGLE/Usenet gauntlet of spermware/****ware has been running
extremely hot and nasty these days, as my poor old PC keeps getting
nailed to death by an extra butt-load of their nasty crapolla, as it
deploys yet another tonne of their damage-control flak that's intended
to foil or otherwise terminate my PC. Also notice how these
infomercial spewing rusemasters seldom if ever constructively share
anything that could be used against them, whereas again keeping very
Jewish Third Reich need-to-know worthy.
-
Brad Guth

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Old April 15th 07, 01:06 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,uk.sci.astronomy,sci.astro
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A required repost in order to cover just the original/proper cross-
posing.

Unlike those claiming to know all there is to know (the likes of Art
Deco and of his bed wetting partner Phineas T Puddleduck), usually
insisting that all others are worth far less than village idiot
status, whereas I simply do not know everything, and therefore I ask
those pesky questions that tend to go unanswered, whereas then I have
to make due with my exploratory research and deductive reasoning
that's often easier said than accomplished, so I've unavoidably made
my fair share of honest mistakes, that which anyone with half again as
much brain should have been able to easily correct, and without their
having to make such a big fuss.

On Apr 14, 9:44 am, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote:
Assuming a scale height of 9 km (Google is being
maddeningly unclear on the matter), I get 6.3 * 10^19
moles for the entire atmosphere. Sulfuric acid would then
be 1.89 * 10^11 moles or 1.85 * 10^10 kg, again assuming
the 0.0000003%.


Why is it allowed for others and yourself to assume, and not for the
likes of myself?

The first 9 km worth of that thick and robust Venus atmosphere is
sharing almost nothing to speak of. It's called cover thy butt
science, whereas up unitl fairly recently they had been using the
first 15 km worth, and thereby taking their revised 9 km worth of
scale height is what makes their old numbers look as though they'd
actually been honestly derived by way of the best available science.
The true scale height of the Venus atmosphere is actually worth a
little better than 150 km, and possibly worth as great as 175 km.


This is far too much handwaving for my liking, admittedly, and
this acid would be distributed Venus-wide, making extraction
of all of it difficult.


Basic laws of physics blows most of your "handwaving" out the window.

Your naysayism and anti-think-tank mindset is per usual spoken like a
good little Third Reich minion. There's still a little too much brown
on that silly nose of your's, isn't there.

Those interesting and most likely extremely acidic clouds don't hardly
begin until getting well enough past the 40+ km mark (somewhat mostly
haze worthy below 45 km), and there's still a good deal of a top side
haze that's going past the altitude of 100 km. At 150+ km there's
even a layer of what's mostly O2 to work with. By far the best part
of the Venusian atmosphere has been systematically excluded or
otherwise banished from what should have been the hot topic of
understanding why so little of that solar IR energy gets down to the
deck.

At a given altitude it's roughly a 1 bar environment of what's most
extensively S8 in the atmospheric realm of 50 km. The element of S8
has a SG worth of 2 g/cm3, and as you continue upward it's obviously
getting even cooler (less vapor and more of S8 solids to deal with),
and that ratio of elements should thereby become more worthy of
becoming mostly Co2 that's clearly a less massive element than S8.

Just a few km below that 50 km mark (especially if we're going by that
long season of nighttime), there's a fairly robust layer of
concentrated S8 to deal with. Of course h2o and S8 makes for a rather
nasty acid, that's likely to being wet anywhere near or above the 50
km mark.

John Ackerman offers a reasonably good interpretation of the best
available science, thereby shares his honest review and subsequent
analogy of what's available, and as such it's not nearly as slight or
otherwise insignificant as we've been informed. There's simply more
of that Venusian water to behold, of what's likely formulated within
those acidic clouds and extensive zones or layer of haze, than
otherwise given credit by the likes of whatever's suggested by way of
our NASA and of having obtained their mostly Jewish peer review's
stamp of approval.

BTW; the GOOGLE/Usenet gauntlet of spermware/****ware has been running
extremely hot and nasty these days, as my poor old PC keeps getting
nailed to death by an extra butt-load of their nasty crapolla, as it
deploys yet another tonne of their damage-control flak that's intended
to foil or otherwise terminate my PC. Also notice how these
infomercial spewing rusemasters seldom if ever constructively share
anything that could be used against them, whereas again keeping very
Jewish Third Reich need-to-know worthy.
-
Brad Guth

  #128  
Old April 15th 07, 01:11 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.usenet.kooks
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wrote in message
ups.com...
Unlike those claiming to know all there is to know (the likes of Art
Deco and of his bed wetting partner Phineas T Puddleduck),


do you have a list of who these people are?


  #130  
Old April 15th 07, 01:14 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.fan.art-bell,alt.usenet.kooks
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In article ,
"T Wake" wrote:


wrote in message
ups.com...
Unlike those claiming to know all there is to know (the likes of Art
Deco and of his bed wetting partner Phineas T Puddleduck),


do you have a list of who these people are?



I have achieved omniscience!!



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