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Old July 30th 05, 09:37 AM
Derek Lyons
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Pat Flannery wrote:

Jeffrey Bell has weighed in on the Shuttle. Surprisingly, he wants to
permanently ground it ;-) :
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/oped-05zq.html
I've still got to check up on that B-17 math of his.


It's seriously wrong.

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Old July 30th 05, 04:21 PM
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Derek Lyons wrote:

Pat Flannery wrote:

Jeffrey Bell has weighed in on the Shuttle. Surprisingly, he wants
to
permanently ground it ;-) :
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/oped-05zq.html
I've still got to check up on that B-17 math of his.


It's seriously wrong.


It's about as wrong as its possible to get.
I'll dig out my copy of the USAAF Statistical Digest a bit later, &
see what that comes up with.

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Old August 6th 05, 10:01 PM
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On 2005-07-30, Derek Lyons wrote:

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/oped-05zq.html
I've still got to check up on that B-17 math of his.


It's seriously wrong.


I was very impressed by him describing it as "the most dangerous
aircraft in the most intense air war ever fought.", then quoting figures
to support it which showed a three-times higher loss rate of Bomber
Command Manchesters... smart cookie, that one.

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Old August 7th 05, 07:20 AM
Pat Flannery
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Andrew Gray wrote:

I was very impressed by him describing it as "the most dangerous
aircraft in the most intense air war ever fought.", then quoting figures
to support it which showed a three-times higher loss rate of Bomber
Command Manchesters... smart cookie, that one.



He may have meant American aircraft; but I still think you are going to
have a far better chance in a B-17 than in a Douglas Devastator or a
Brewster Buffalo.

Pat
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Old August 7th 05, 07:45 AM
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Pat Flannery wrote:

He may have meant American aircraft; but I still think you are
going to have a far better chance in a B-17 than in a Douglas
Devastator or a Brewster Buffalo.


Much depends on circumstances. In a USMC F2A defending Midway against
Japanese carrier strikes you're in way over your head; in a Finnish
F2A against the Soviets you can hold your own. If you're in a TBD
squadron in a carrier sailing to oppose the Japanese at Midway better
not start reading any magazine serials; against Japanese merchant
shipping in the Gilberts and Marshalls earlier in 1942 you'll
probably have no reason to curse your aircraft.

Jim Davis
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Old August 7th 05, 06:03 PM
Pat Flannery
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Jim Davis wrote:

in a Finnish
F2A against the Soviets you can hold your own.



Now I'm having this image of a Buffalo fighting a I-16 Rata- sort of the
"battle of the second rate fighters".
If we could get a Swedish P-35 in there, we'd have all the bases covered.
I'd hate to be in a Buffalo and meet one of those lend-lease P-47s though.

Pat
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Old August 7th 05, 07:11 PM
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Pat Flannery wrote:


Jim Davis wrote:

in a Finnish F2A against the Soviets you can hold your own.


Now I'm having this image of a Buffalo fighting a I-16 Rata- sort of the
"battle of the second rate fighters".
If we could get a Swedish P-35 in there, we'd have all the bases covered.
I'd hate to be in a Buffalo and meet one of those lend-lease P-47s though.


Airacomet'd whup all their asses good

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Old August 8th 05, 07:35 AM
Pat Flannery
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Terrell Miller wrote:


Now I'm having this image of a Buffalo fighting a I-16 Rata- sort of
the "battle of the second rate fighters".
If we could get a Swedish P-35 in there, we'd have all the bases
covered.
I'd hate to be in a Buffalo and meet one of those lend-lease P-47s
though.



Airacomet'd whup all their asses good


Hell, even an _Airacobra_ might be able to take that bunch on. :-D

Pat
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Old August 8th 05, 07:56 AM
Dale
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 01:35:57 -0500, Pat Flannery wrote:

Terrell Miller wrote:

Now I'm having this image of a Buffalo fighting a I-16 Rata- sort of
the "battle of the second rate fighters".


Hey... the I-16 was quite a plane in 1934. Obsolescence by WW2 wasn't
it's fault. It remains one of my favorite planes.

If we could get a Swedish P-35 in there, we'd have all the bases
covered.
I'd hate to be in a Buffalo and meet one of those lend-lease P-47s
though.


Airacomet'd whup all their asses good


Hell, even an _Airacobra_ might be able to take that bunch on. :-D


My dad flew those. Never had a bad thing to say about them. But if
he'd been able to take a plane home after the war the way some guys
took home their service revolvers, I think it would have been a P-38.

Dale

More likely a C-17, now that I think about it...
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Old August 8th 05, 08:16 AM
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On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:56:48 -0700, I wrote:

More likely a C-17, now that I think about it...


Errr, I was confusing civilian and military designations
there. I meant a Beech Staggerwing (UC-43), not a
Globemaster

Dale
 




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