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Old December 11th 03, 02:21 PM
asps
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Subject: A revolutionary propulsion system


We inform you of our the recent and decisive progress in a propulsion system
SC2.12 finally alternative to rocketry because it was conceived in the final
purpose of a propulsion system that can perform manned outposts in the Moon
and Mars.

The PNNE (Propulsione Non Newtoniana Eletromagnetica) uses the
electromagnetic field as mass of reaction with reaction momentum p greather
than p=E/c (E= electromagnetic energy , c= velocity of light).

PNNE therefore is distinguished from the chemical and ionic propulsion
(using mass of reaction) as well as the propulsion based on solar sail i.e.
the photonic propulsion (which impulse cannot exceed p=E/c). Its primary
source of energy is of electric nature so SC2.12 is a propellanless
propulsion system.

One of the advantages of SC2.12 is that no reaction mass is used and that
the specific momentum is million times greather than the momentum of the
ionic motors (which have a specific impulse much greater one of the chemical
rockets).

There is a videoclip in http://www.asps.it/nucleoin.htm


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Old December 11th 03, 05:28 PM
Uncle Al
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asps wrote:

Subject: A revolutionary propulsion system

[snip]

One of the advantages of SC2.12 is that no reaction mass is used and that
the specific momentum is million times greather than the momentum of the
ionic motors (which have a specific impulse much greater one of the chemical
rockets).

[snip]

Perpetual motion machine of the first kind plus a reactionless drive.
Bull****.

http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg

Space is homogeneous and isotropic. By Noether's theorem linear and
angular momenta therefore must be conserved. Time is homogeneous. By
Noether's theorem energy therefore must be conserved.

Hey stooopid: Local symmetries create conservation laws through
Noether's theorem,

http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~cwp/art...h/mort186.html
http://www.emmynoether.com/
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/9807044
http://www.physics.buffalo.edu/phy511/section3.pdf
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/noether.html

A conserved quantity derives from each symmetry commuting with time,
and the reverse. A divergence-free current (conserved property) arises
if the Lagrangian or the action is invariant under continuous
transformation.

1.To each continuous symmetry of an action there corresponds a
conserved quantity because of the Euler-Lagrange equations of the
Lagrangian, and the reverse.
2.To each gauge symmetry of an action there corresponds an identity
among Euler-Lagrange equations of the Lagrangian, and the reverse.

A physical system with a Lagrangian invariant with respect to the
symmetry transformations of a Lie group has, in the case of a group
with a finite (or countably infinite) number of independent
infinitesimal generators, a conservation law for each such generator,
and certain "dependencies" in the case of a larger infinite number of
generators (General Relativity and the Bianchi identities). The
reverse is true.

Go back and disprove mathematics, then restate your "invention." Ha
ha ha.

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Old December 11th 03, 06:01 PM
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"Uncle Al" ha scritto nel messaggio
...
asps wrote:

Subject: A revolutionary propulsion system

[snip]

One of the advantages of SC2.12 is that no reaction mass is used and

that
the specific momentum is million times greather than the momentum of the
ionic motors (which have a specific impulse much greater one of the

chemical
rockets).

[snip]

Perpetual motion machine of the first kind plus a reactionless drive.
Bull****.


false SC2.12 (i.e. PNN) is not a reactionless drive momentum and energy are
conserved:
http://www.dipmat.unipg.it/~bartocci/ep7/ep7-asps.htm


http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg

Space is homogeneous and isotropic. By Noether's theorem linear and
angular momenta therefore must be conserved. Time is homogeneous. By
Noether's theorem energy therefore must be conserved.


what you say is not general ...we have ALL experiments that prove the
contrary


Hey stooopid: Local symmetries create conservation laws through
Noether's theorem,


we showed PNN theory to several italian industries
http://www.asps.it/enti.htm
and they said that it might work ..... read our issue Nova Astronautica a
topic of http://www.asps.it


http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~cwp/art...h/mort186.html
http://www.emmynoether.com/
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/9807044
http://www.physics.buffalo.edu/phy511/section3.pdf
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/noether.html

A conserved quantity derives from each symmetry commuting with time,


balle

and the reverse.


balle

A divergence-free current (conserved property) arises
if the Lagrangian or the action is invariant under continuous
transformation.


methaphysics ........ that don't want to see PNN experiments .........
methaphysics i.e. pre-galilean use of mind .....
the only way to change the reality is the experiment .....
http://www.asps.it/occhiale.htm

E.Laureti


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Old December 11th 03, 06:15 PM
Mu-Pi
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"asps" wrote in message
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Subject: A revolutionary propulsion system

SNIP

Hello crackpot.


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Old December 11th 03, 06:22 PM
John Sefton
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asps wrote:
"Uncle Al" ha scritto nel messaggio
...

asps wrote:

Subject: A revolutionary propulsion system


[snip]


One of the advantages of SC2.12 is that no reaction mass is used and


that

the specific momentum is million times greather than the momentum of the
ionic motors (which have a specific impulse much greater one of the


chemical

rockets).


[snip]

Perpetual motion machine of the first kind plus a reactionless drive.
Bull****.



false SC2.12 (i.e. PNN) is not a reactionless drive momentum and energy are
conserved:
http://www.dipmat.unipg.it/~bartocci/ep7/ep7-asps.htm



http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg

Space is homogeneous and isotropic. By Noether's theorem linear and
angular momenta therefore must be conserved. Time is homogeneous. By
Noether's theorem energy therefore must be conserved.



what you say is not general ...we have ALL experiments that prove the
contrary


Hey stooopid: Local symmetries create conservation laws through
Noether's theorem,



we showed PNN theory to several italian industries
http://www.asps.it/enti.htm
and they said that it might work ..... read our issue Nova Astronautica a
topic of http://www.asps.it


http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~cwp/art...h/mort186.html

http://www.emmynoether.com/
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/9807044
http://www.physics.buffalo.edu/phy511/section3.pdf
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/noether.html

A conserved quantity derives from each symmetry commuting with time,



balle


and the reverse.



balle


A divergence-free current (conserved property) arises
if the Lagrangian or the action is invariant under continuous
transformation.



methaphysics ........ that don't want to see PNN experiments .........
methaphysics i.e. pre-galilean use of mind .....
the only way to change the reality is the experiment .....
http://www.asps.it/occhiale.htm

E.Laureti


Don't worry about Al.
He wouldn't believe it even if he
got a ride in it.
He's a dinosaur- you know- one brain
in the head and one in the tail. Unfortunately
the brain in his coccyx has been so traumatized
by incoming that it's permanently in control.
John

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Old December 11th 03, 06:40 PM
asps
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"Mu-Pi" ha scritto nel messaggio
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"asps" wrote in message
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Subject: A revolutionary propulsion system

SNIP

Hello crackpot.


http://www.asps.it/gotha.htm



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Old December 11th 03, 06:54 PM
asps
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"John Sefton" ha scritto nel messaggio
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....snip.....

we showed PNN theory to several italian industries
http://www.asps.it/enti.htm
and they said that it might work ..... read our issue Nova Astronautica

a
topic of http://www.asps.it



http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~cwp/art...h/mort186.html

http://www.emmynoether.com/
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/9807044
http://www.physics.buffalo.edu/phy511/section3.pdf
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/noether.html

A conserved quantity derives from each symmetry commuting with time,



balle


and the reverse.



balle


A divergence-free current (conserved property) arises
if the Lagrangian or the action is invariant under continuous
transformation.



methaphysics ........ that don't want to see PNN experiments .........
methaphysics i.e. pre-galilean use of mind .....
the only way to change the reality is the experiment .....
http://www.asps.it/occhiale.htm

E.Laureti


Don't worry about Al.
He wouldn't believe it even if he
got a ride in it.
He's a dinosaur- you know- one brain
in the head and one in the tail. Unfortunately
the brain in his coccyx has been so traumatized
by incoming that it's permanently in control.
John


......Al is "the ....... arrogance of mathematical physicists giving priority
to formalism against empirical facts....." http://www.asps.it/gotha.htm
.................
he is like the dinosaur priests of Santo Uffizio that don't want to see the
moon mountains in the Galileo telescope.........
so there is no mean to convince him .....
but only to wait that the evolution make the work....





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Old December 11th 03, 08:18 PM
Harry Conover
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"asps" wrote in message ...
Subject: A revolutionary propulsion system


We inform you of our the recent and decisive progress in a propulsion system
SC2.12 finally alternative to rocketry because it was conceived in the final
purpose of a propulsion system that can perform manned outposts in the Moon
and Mars.

The PNNE (Propulsione Non Newtoniana Eletromagnetica) uses the
electromagnetic field as mass of reaction with reaction momentum p greather
than p=E/c (E= electromagnetic energy , c= velocity of light).

PNNE therefore is distinguished from the chemical and ionic propulsion
(using mass of reaction) as well as the propulsion based on solar sail i.e.
the photonic propulsion (which impulse cannot exceed p=E/c). Its primary
source of energy is of electric nature so SC2.12 is a propellanless
propulsion system.

One of the advantages of SC2.12 is that no reaction mass is used and that
the specific momentum is million times greather than the momentum of the
ionic motors (which have a specific impulse much greater one of the chemical
rockets).

There is a videoclip in http://www.asps.it/nucleoin.htm


Wow, an Italian Wacko! I didn't think Italy allow them, at least not
to post on Internet sci newsgroups.

Harry C.
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Old December 11th 03, 08:31 PM
Uncle Al
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asps wrote:

"John Sefton" ha scritto nel messaggio
...

...snip.....

we showed PNN theory to several italian industries
http://www.asps.it/enti.htm
and they said that it might work ..... read our issue Nova Astronautica

a
topic of http://www.asps.it



http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~cwp/art...h/mort186.html

http://www.emmynoether.com/
http://arXiv.org/abs/physics/9807044
http://www.physics.buffalo.edu/phy511/section3.pdf
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/noether.html

A conserved quantity derives from each symmetry commuting with time,


balle


and the reverse.


balle


A divergence-free current (conserved property) arises
if the Lagrangian or the action is invariant under continuous
transformation.


methaphysics ........ that don't want to see PNN experiments .........
methaphysics i.e. pre-galilean use of mind .....
the only way to change the reality is the experiment .....
http://www.asps.it/occhiale.htm

E.Laureti


Don't worry about Al.
He wouldn't believe it even if he
got a ride in it.
He's a dinosaur- you know- one brain
in the head and one in the tail. Unfortunately
the brain in his coccyx has been so traumatized
by incoming that it's permanently in control.
John


.....Al is "the ....... arrogance of mathematical physicists giving priority
to formalism against empirical facts....." http://www.asps.it/gotha.htm
................
he is like the dinosaur priests of Santo Uffizio that don't want to see the
moon mountains in the Galileo telescope.........
so there is no mean to convince him .....
but only to wait that the evolution make the work....


Go ahead, reduce your "invention" to practice. Ha ha ha. All talk,
no walk - just like a Coriolus thruster.
A Coriolus thruster chugs along a horizontal track and it even rises
up a vertical track. If you put it in a small (keel)boat it moves the
boat through the water without touching the water or tossing mass.
The bunko is then to solicit major investments for a Coriolus thruster
hovercraft or space propulsion.

A Coriolus thruster is an inefficient reaction engine. It has to push
against something (the boat will move at an angle, same as if it were
under sail and summing sail and keel vectors). If you dangle one from
a string it doesn't go anywhere - it spins in place like a whirling
dervish, and there is nothing in physical reality that will change
that short of hooking it to something that can push back. Cf:
helicopter. You either have counter-rotating top fans, or a side fan,
or you don't go anwyhere.

You are either world class stupid or a second class crook. Whatever
you have, it will do nothing floating in free space. If your math
says otherwise, go back and find your idiot error. Go ahead, reduce
your "invention" to practice. Ha ha ha. Like Podkletnov, it can only
work absent people who are hostile to its intrinsic impossiblity.

Physics is a series of innternally self-consistent axiomatic
mathematical constructs bounded by empirical falsification. It
contains no internal errors, git. If you wish to do something clever
you don't have many choices:

1) Empirically counterdemonstrate a founding postulate of existing
theory,

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

2) Cleverly violate a boundary condition in existing theory,

Planck's constant (h, enforces uncertainty in measurement; h-bar is
the fundamental unit of action), Newton's constant (Big G, scales
gravitation), and lightspeed (c, enforces information transfer delay)
define physics:

? h=h G=G c=infinity
mechanics,
electrostatics: h=zero G=zero c=infinity
classical physics: h=zero G=G c=infinity
quantum mechanics: h=h G=zero c=infinity
special relativity: h=zero G=zero c=c
general relativity: h=zero G=G c=c
quantum field theory: h=h G=zero c=c
Theory of Everything,

3) Evolve a superset of theory that does not contradict foregoing
observations, then goes further.


What you have, fool, is ludicrous ****.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)
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Old December 11th 03, 09:03 PM
Robert J. Kolker
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asps wrote:
One of the advantages of SC2.12 is that no reaction mass is used and that
the specific momentum is million times greather than the momentum of the
ionic motors (which have a specific impulse much greater one of the chemical
rockets).


I am underwhelemed. Where and when was this Amazing Electrical Rocket
tested? Documentation? Vetting? Have independent knowlegable observers
verified you claim? Or is this just another piece of KrackPot (tm) Bull****?

Bob Kolker

 




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