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  #11  
Old December 20th 18, 12:17 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
StarDust
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Default earth tilt to 45 deg?

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:13:14 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:02:48 -0800 (PST),

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 1:46:05 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:34:46 -0800 (PST),

What would happen if the Earth's tilt would shift to 45 deg suddenly or in a short period of time?
Would we survive?

Humans are as adaptable as rats and cockroaches. But I imagine a few
billion would die, and all our civilization and social structures
would collapse.

(It is likely that our Moon is what has kept the tilt of the Earth's
axis so stable. Mars, for instance, has seen much wider swings.)


Well, 500 years ago, earth's population was around 500 million, now 7 billion!
200 years ago , industrialization caused the exponential population growth!
Going back to 1/2 billion would be a normal thing, I think!


I'm all for a reduction of the human population back down to a billion
or less. But ideally by attrition, not cataclysm. And the whole
collapse of civilization thing would be nice to avoid!

(This is likely to happen in any case, but by our own making, not some
mysterious adjustment of Earth's axis.)


You want your cake and eat it too?
Today's high tech , consumption based economies rely on massive populations to sell more goods!

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  #12  
Old December 20th 18, 02:03 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Default earth tilt to 45 deg?

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:41:11 PM UTC-8, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:


On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 1:46:05 PM UTC-8, Chris L
Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:34:46 -0800 (PST),

What would happen if the Earth's tilt would shift to 45 deg
suddenly or in a short period of time? Would we survive?

Humans are as adaptable as rats and cockroaches. But I imagine
a few billion would die, and all our civilization and social
structures would collapse.

(It is likely that our Moon is what has kept the tilt of the
Earth's axis so stable. Mars, for instance, has seen much
wider swings.)

Well, 500 years ago, earth's population was around 500 million,
now 7 billion! 200 years ago , industrialization caused the
exponential population growth! Going back to 1/2 billion would
be a normal thing, I think!


I'm all for a reduction of the human population back down to a
billion or less.


You volunteering to go first?

We could use less people named Chris (who are, as we all know,
genetically defective in the intellect department).

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.


Population reduction by birth!
Like China's one child policy or other birth control method!
  #13  
Old December 20th 18, 02:05 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
StarDust
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Default earth tilt to 45 deg?

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:39:41 PM UTC-8, Jibini Kula Tumbili

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 1:48:37 PM UTC-8, Jibini Kula
Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:

What would happen if the Earth's tilt would shift to 45 deg
suddenly or in a short period of time? Would we survive?

The amount of energy involved to cause that would vaporize the
planet and everything on it.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.


Don't see why would our planet vaporise?


Says more about you and your (lack of) understanding of fairly
basic physics.

Let's say a large asteroid would hit our Moon, knocking it out
of orbit or much farther away, so earth would wobble more?

An asteroid big enough (or fast enough) to have enough energy the
moon out of its orbit wouldn't knock the moon out of its orbit, it
would shatter it, and turn a great deal of it into plasma.

And that wouldn't be nearly enough energy to alter the Earth's tilt
that much.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.


Depends how the Moon is hit and the size of asteroid?
  #14  
Old December 20th 18, 02:22 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Ninapenda Jibini
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Default earth tilt to 45 deg?

StarDust wrote in
:

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:39:41 PM UTC-8, Jibini Kula
Tumbili

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 1:48:37 PM UTC-8, Jibini
Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:

What would happen if the Earth's tilt would shift to 45
deg suddenly or in a short period of time? Would we
survive?

The amount of energy involved to cause that would vaporize
the planet and everything on it.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more
asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Don't see why would our planet vaporise?


Says more about you and your (lack of) understanding of fairly
basic physics.

Let's say a large asteroid would hit our Moon, knocking it
out of orbit or much farther away, so earth would wobble
more?

An asteroid big enough (or fast enough) to have enough energy
the moon out of its orbit wouldn't knock the moon out of its
orbit, it would shatter it, and turn a great deal of it into
plasma.

And that wouldn't be nearly enough energy to alter the Earth's
tilt that much.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.


Depends how the Moon is hit and the size of asteroid?

No, not really, To "knock the moon out of its orbit" would require
a certain amount of energy. That amount of energy would shatter the
moon, and turn a good deal of it into plasma. The math isn't that
complicated. (And the debris would probably kill everything living
thing on Earth even if the impact didn't.)

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
  #15  
Old December 20th 18, 02:37 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Chris L Peterson
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Default earth tilt to 45 deg?

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:41:07 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote:

Chris L Peterson wrote in
:

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:02:48 -0800 (PST), StarDust
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 1:46:05 PM UTC-8, Chris L
Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:34:46 -0800 (PST),

What would happen if the Earth's tilt would shift to 45 deg
suddenly or in a short period of time? Would we survive?

Humans are as adaptable as rats and cockroaches. But I imagine
a few billion would die, and all our civilization and social
structures would collapse.

(It is likely that our Moon is what has kept the tilt of the
Earth's axis so stable. Mars, for instance, has seen much
wider swings.)

Well, 500 years ago, earth's population was around 500 million,
now 7 billion! 200 years ago , industrialization caused the
exponential population growth! Going back to 1/2 billion would
be a normal thing, I think!


I'm all for a reduction of the human population back down to a
billion or less.


You volunteering to go first?


I guess you're unfamiliar with the meaning of "attrition".
  #16  
Old December 20th 18, 02:37 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Chris L Peterson
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Default earth tilt to 45 deg?

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:17:37 -0800 (PST), StarDust
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:13:14 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:02:48 -0800 (PST),

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 1:46:05 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:34:46 -0800 (PST),

What would happen if the Earth's tilt would shift to 45 deg suddenly or in a short period of time?
Would we survive?

Humans are as adaptable as rats and cockroaches. But I imagine a few
billion would die, and all our civilization and social structures
would collapse.

(It is likely that our Moon is what has kept the tilt of the Earth's
axis so stable. Mars, for instance, has seen much wider swings.)

Well, 500 years ago, earth's population was around 500 million, now 7 billion!
200 years ago , industrialization caused the exponential population growth!
Going back to 1/2 billion would be a normal thing, I think!


I'm all for a reduction of the human population back down to a billion
or less. But ideally by attrition, not cataclysm. And the whole
collapse of civilization thing would be nice to avoid!

(This is likely to happen in any case, but by our own making, not some
mysterious adjustment of Earth's axis.)


You want your cake and eat it too?
Today's high tech , consumption based economies rely on massive populations to sell more goods!


True... but it's a failing model.
  #17  
Old December 20th 18, 02:50 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
StarDust
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Default earth tilt to 45 deg?

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 6:37:59 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:17:37 -0800 (PST)

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:13:14 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:02:48 -0800 (PST),

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 1:46:05 PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 13:34:46 -0800 (PST),

What would happen if the Earth's tilt would shift to 45 deg suddenly or in a short period of time?
Would we survive?

Humans are as adaptable as rats and cockroaches. But I imagine a few
billion would die, and all our civilization and social structures
would collapse.

(It is likely that our Moon is what has kept the tilt of the Earth's
axis so stable. Mars, for instance, has seen much wider swings.)

Well, 500 years ago, earth's population was around 500 million, now 7 billion!
200 years ago , industrialization caused the exponential population growth!
Going back to 1/2 billion would be a normal thing, I think!

I'm all for a reduction of the human population back down to a billion
or less. But ideally by attrition, not cataclysm. And the whole
collapse of civilization thing would be nice to avoid!

(This is likely to happen in any case, but by our own making, not some
mysterious adjustment of Earth's axis.)


You want your cake and eat it too?
Today's high tech , consumption based economies rely on massive populations to sell more goods!


True... but it's a failing model.


That's why China /India is a huge market for western countries.
Every 4th person is Chines, every 5th Indian in the world.
  #18  
Old December 20th 18, 02:55 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
StarDust
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Default earth tilt to 45 deg?

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 6:22:38 PM UTC-8, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:39:41 PM UTC-8, Jibini Kula
Tumbili

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 1:48:37 PM UTC-8, Jibini
Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:

What would happen if the Earth's tilt would shift to 45
deg suddenly or in a short period of time? Would we
survive?

The amount of energy involved to cause that would vaporize
the planet and everything on it.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more
asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Don't see why would our planet vaporise?

Says more about you and your (lack of) understanding of fairly
basic physics.

Let's say a large asteroid would hit our Moon, knocking it
out of orbit or much farther away, so earth would wobble
more?

An asteroid big enough (or fast enough) to have enough energy
the moon out of its orbit wouldn't knock the moon out of its
orbit, it would shatter it, and turn a great deal of it into
plasma.

And that wouldn't be nearly enough energy to alter the Earth's
tilt that much.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.


Depends how the Moon is hit and the size of asteroid?

No, not really, To "knock the moon out of its orbit" would require
a certain amount of energy. That amount of energy would shatter the
moon, and turn a good deal of it into plasma. The math isn't that
complicated. (And the debris would probably kill everything living
thing on Earth even if the impact didn't.)

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.


Moon floats in vacuum and earth gravity holding it in orbit!
I'm saying to move Moons orbit maybe hundred thousand miles out!
  #19  
Old December 20th 18, 06:35 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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Default earth tilt to 45 deg?

With the rise of celestial sphere software then so have descriptions of the Solstice event followed suit. It is a planet with a zero degree inclination and a pivoting circle of illumination off the Equator -

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorn.../#6d8a1b5152e6

When a website run by a space agency does these things then places like sci.astro.amateur become important, after all, what level of intelligence would ask the question - "When does the line between day and night become vertical?"

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap170319.html

When such things flourish it comes back on the individual to ask - is it worth destroying astronomy for the sake of a rotating carousel view ?


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Old December 20th 18, 03:22 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
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Default earth tilt to 45 deg?

StarDust wrote in
:

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 6:22:38 PM UTC-8, Ninapenda
Jibini wrote:

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 4:39:41 PM UTC-8, Jibini
Kula Tumbili

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 1:48:37 PM UTC-8,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:

What would happen if the Earth's tilt would shift to 45
deg suddenly or in a short period of time? Would we
survive?

The amount of energy involved to cause that would
vaporize the planet and everything on it.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more
asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Don't see why would our planet vaporise?

Says more about you and your (lack of) understanding of
fairly basic physics.

Let's say a large asteroid would hit our Moon, knocking it
out of orbit or much farther away, so earth would wobble
more?

An asteroid big enough (or fast enough) to have enough
energy the moon out of its orbit wouldn't knock the moon out
of its orbit, it would shatter it, and turn a great deal of
it into plasma.

And that wouldn't be nearly enough energy to alter the
Earth's tilt that much.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more
asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Depends how the Moon is hit and the size of asteroid?

No, not really, To "knock the moon out of its orbit" would
require a certain amount of energy. That amount of energy would
shatter the moon, and turn a good deal of it into plasma. The
math isn't that complicated. (And the debris would probably
kill everything living thing on Earth even if the impact
didn't.)

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.


Moon floats in vacuum and earth gravity holding it in orbit!
I'm saying to move Moons orbit maybe hundred thousand miles out!

Once again, the amount of energy to do that in a short time will
not move the moon, it will shatter is, and turn most if not all of
it into plasma. No matter how many times you parrot the same stupid
idea, it won't get any less stupid. So enjoy your stupid fantasy.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

 




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