Proposal for an American Space-Based Economy

On Nov 5, 7:26*pm, Uncle Al wrote:
American wrote:

What this is about:

Brainstorming or offering a proposal to design and engineer an
extraterrestrial resource development facility for the purpose of
establishing a permanent presence in space for private enterprise
worldwide:

* *1) You can't visit the asteroid belt and not get fried by
radiation.

I don't believe that that's true.

From an earlier post:

"The low density gases of space consist of hydrogen, helium, protons,
and alpha particles. The gas pressure of interplanetary space is
10**-18 Newtons/meter2, while interstellar space is 10**-27
Newtons/meter2. Space radiation includes cosmic rays,
electromagnetic,
Van Allen Belt, auroral particles, and solar flare particles.
Hypercharged "killer" electrons radiate from the Sun, as well as from
Jupiter @ 22.2 Mhz, 300Mhz, and 3 Ghz in the decimeter wavelength
(10 cm. and more), especially during *lower* sunspot activity. The
Van
Allen Belts, which consist of the action of charged subatomic parti-
cles, like solar electrons and protons, on the earth's magnetic
field,
produce X rays, UV, and Gamma rays. Particulate radiation consists of
electrons, protons, neutrons, alpha particles, and others. The energy
in the Van Allen Belt normally reaches 1eV, with a density of 10
particles/cm3. Solar activity that induces magnetic storms on the
earth have been known to cause high energy radiation of 10 to 20 keV,
which in turn can induce arc discharges on dielectric surfaces.


In order for a continued presence to be maintained, how do important
people shield themselves? There was an interesting article in the
March '06 issue of Astronomy, which offered a few interesting points:


1) Reinforced polyethelyne 10 times stronger than aluminum
2) Carbon composite structures
3) Plastics (already on ISS)
4) Electric fields
5) Lighter, more flexible space suits
6) Aerogel
7) Dietary supplements


The Jovian environment is one of the richest in heavy ions. Voyager
observations have led to the identification of three sources
for Jupiter's energetic particles: the Sun, the Jovian ionosphere,
and the Jovian moons.


Radio and Plasma wave data were obtained on 12/3/2000 by the
Cassini Radio and Plasma Wave (RPWS) investigation from a
distance of just over 27 million kilometers from Jupiter: During this
time period, the RPWS captured radio emissions generated in the
vicinity of Jupiter. These emissions included decametric radio
emissions originating in the auroral regions of Jupiter.
(Decametric refers to approximate wavelength of radio emissions
(10 meters). At somewhat lower frequencies, near 1 megahertz, the
hectometric radiation, around 100 meters, is generated as a part
of the auroral process at Jupiter. Lower in frequency, near 100
kilohertz, are examples of two types of kilometric radiation.
(Kilometric refers to wavelengths around 1 kilometer or 1000
meters.) Even though these two types of emissions are centered at
about the same frequency, they are thought to originate in totally
different locations and by totally different mechanisms. The
broadband kilometric radiation near the center of the display is
again believed to be generated on field lines associated with the
aurora and probably generated by the same or similar mechanism as
the decametric and hectometric radiation. The narrowband kilometric
radiation is generated near the outer edge of the Io torus, which
remains on a different orbital path than Europa. Data on Quasi-
periodic bursts below about 10 kilohertz consist of brief bursts
and sometimes occur at about 15-minute spacing, and sometimes at
about 40-minute spacing. Even though these emissions were discov-
ered by Voyager and studied by Ulysses and Galileo. Very little is
known about where and how they are generated.

(From: http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/mes...ess/Ion.html):

On Jupiter's moon, Io, volcanoes constantly erupt, spewing forth
oxygen and sulphur, which then settle on Io's surface. The inter-
action of Io with Jupiter's magnetosphere strips the oxygen and
sulphur from Io's surface at the rate of 900 kg (1 ton) per second,
tearing these particles from Io's gravitational influence and expel-
ling them into Jupiter's magnetosphere. These particles become elec-
trically charged and many diffuse outward to 1.5 to 3.6 million
kilometers (0.9 to 2.2 million miles) from Jupiter, where they are
accelerated by an interaction with the massive Jovian magnetic
field. Ed explains, "About 0.2% of the original particles, now
highly energized, diffuse back toward Jupiter. The ions may have
left Io at one-thousandth the speed of light. By the time they have
returned to within 700,000 kilometers (420,000 miles) of the planet
(near Europa's orbit), these ions have accelerated to one-tenth
the speed of light (about 30,000 kilometers/second (18,000 miles per
hour))!" Some of these ions travel along Jupiter's magnetic field
lines and spiral into the planet's polar region. In fact, these
heavy ions falling into Jupiter's atmosphere may be the single
largest contributor to Jupiter's auroras."

Radiation proof polymer fabric interwoven into an intelligent
fabric system has the ability to screen out the harmful
frequency range of color force. Intelligent fabric not only
has the ability to protect, but can also become programmed
to enhance the gene expression in terms of response time to
conscious/explicit/dopamine and unconscious/implicit/seratonin
salient signal triggers in a memory enhancing mechanism that
can be worn for incoming hostile environmental sources as
well as outgoing, programmed environmental response signals
from the fabric itself.

Imagine a foil-like suit that is programmed to absorb a certain
bandwidth of frequencies and then reflect a response signal back
to the environment. There are radiation shield polymers that
are absorbent that can be combined with a sensate type liner
that is used to detect and systematically react to the incoming
EMR with a resonant, phase conjugated dispersion source, e.g. in
the yellow spectrum of 5750 - 5850 A. The EMR is thus eliminated
and 'tagged' by visual inspection. The sensate liner simultan-
eously programs the amplification of gene expression in the
carbon-coated rhenium in response for DNA enhancement of the
chromosphere.

A few interesting links:

http://www.lightparty.com/Peace/MiracleInTheVoid.html

which states:

Perhaps the most astonishing finding from cold fusion
research is the apparent observation of radioactivity
reduction in the process! CETI, one of the first cold
fusion companies, recently announced it had been
awarded a US patent on an electrolytic process for
reducing the radioactivity of thorium and uranium. The
company claims its process can reduce the radioactivity
of *radioactive materials* by over 90 per cent in periods
less than 24 hours - compressing into hours what nature
takes billions of years to do. A demonstration of this
seemingly successful process was included in the same
Good Morning America story which described Patterson's
prototype water heater.

Here is a process of extracting Be-7 for the
purpose of Neutron reflecting:

http://www.ipm.virginia.edu/people/d...dickAU1999.pdf

Interesting, but Be-7 is slightly radioactive, and
must be handled w/ extreme care.

So, if a radiation absorbing medium can be made to be
"appreciably thick", perhaps some of the harmful rad-
iation can be "drained off" using the above methods
w/o any harmful exposure effects.

Another link for gamma radiation-proof solvents:

http://www.rsc.org/Publishing/ChemSc...7/nuclear_indu...

Maybe some kind of "solvent duct" between shell housings
is the application needed for protection.

Here's a link for a radiation proof polymer:

http://www.hnswp.com/pdfs/polymer_leaflet.pdf

(I like the part "Electronic equipment protection from
electromagnetic
pulses, radio wave effects, and solar
radiation interference when directly applied to the
electronic equipment or component").

Protected body suits, gloves, and boots with Demron:

http://www.radshield.com/

"Radiation Shield Technologies (RST) is proud to offer
DemronTM : the new standard in personal radiation pro-
tection. This revolutionary technology is currently
produced as full body suits, gloves and boots. DemronTM
not only protects against particle ionizing/nuclear
radiation (such as Beta and Alpha), but does what NO
OTHER full body radiation protection can do: shield
against X-ray and low-energy Gamma emissions. DemronTM
is non-toxic and completely Lead-free.

DemronTM suits are constructed from a unique nanotech-
nology that far surpasses the effectiveness (or inef-
fectiveness) of current nuclear-biological-chemical
(NBC) suits that only protect against radioactive
particulate sources."

* *2) You can't grab a NEO without getting similarly fried.

[Research above with projected expenses described in last post].

* *3) Robotics suck. *You will have no real time control. *AI will be
a disaster.

Not ENTIRELY robotic, given the radiative protection described, and w/
human assist (ref. below

"This is where the telerobotics operation comes in. Sensor-
derived, teleoperated "mannequins" can perform operations
on the asteroid that are remotely activated and controlled by
the motion and nerve sensors within a teleoperated "suit",
within the confines of the vessel. This is synonymous with
remote control over the internet.


Objects are "felt" by miniature, inflatable bladders within
each suit - no need for AI - its already "built in" as a
working extension of the teleoperator himself.


What makes this system work even better is the ease of
connecting modules of a mining facility with the teleoperated
"mannequins" assisting the field technicians - shift
work can be rotated on/off the surface for continuous
monitoring of all the production systems."

* *4) The solar system is a dusty place to land. *Ceramic
microspherules are fantastic for ruining seals and eroding moving
parts in contact. *Lunar astronauht lungs took a beating, too.

Inflatable systems were proposed, and as far as I can tell, there is
absolutely nothing wrong with using a ceramic/steel core, unless of
course you want to introduce moving parts into a completely solid
connection:

"The "Center" would be a place developed from LEO from the inside out
where much of the actual construction of an Asteroid cargo vessel
takes place, with some provision for human living quarters, or
"habitcons" available, so that the first ten people that arrive
must be able to work inside an inflatable "bubble" with ceramic/
steel framing surrounding the core. The core "bubble with
ceramic/steel frame" should be assembled, with fully functional
core "habitcons" in under 100 man hours time. The core consists
of an inflatable toroidal bladder that is restrained against ex-
pansion by a web of straps. The straps are attached to a rigid
ceramic/steel frame using clevice/pin(s) on the internal circum-
ference. Eight men, with rotating crews of four, and the remain-
ing two on standby, each working 25 hours in a weeks time, should
have the core project completed and ready for expansion into the
construction center. Once the core is complete, additional modules
for construction are "unpacked" and assembled on to the core by a
crew of four men. The expanded core now includes a cargo bay
storage area with a cryogenic welding supply system in place, as
well as the habitcons with (20) potable water temperature con-
trolled stowages (one for each man). Now the center becomes a
self-sustaining life support area w/ replenishment food, water,
and air, as well as additional modules for construction for the
space station, as well as for the cargo vessel fuselage,
fuel cells, etc."

* *5) 99942 Apophis will be within 15,000 miles of Earth's surface on
13 April 2029. *Go grab that.


You're already dead with that. Why not get out of earth orbit while
there's still time to prepare to go interstellar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apophis_pass.svg

* *4) There's nothing there when you get there. *How much asteroid
dirt must you e-Bay to cover your Accounts Payables?


Ever heard of SAR technology? (Nope) I've described in an earlier post
how delta-V's could be arranged to rendezvous between stops on places
like Phobos or Europa, which are far enough away from the most harmful
radiation to be unaffordable, yet within 'slingshot' distance of a
metal-rich NEA. This is an entirely reasonable prospect, given the
orbits and delta-V windows of opportunity that exist.

This article provides a record of a prospective cost analysis in order
to establish *performance parameters.

Projective Expenses

With respect to asteroid mining, the cost of delivering a robotic
spacecraft to rendezvous, mine, and return to an orbital docking
facility with scanned soil samples depends upon the technological
commitment to remote operation, simulation, and the interpretation of
real component descriptors affecting allowable performance
parameters.

Translation: *It will dig a huge red ragged hole brimming with red
ink.

How often does a society revolt in order to ensure the survival of its
own sovereignity using commercial viability? There are literally
legions of legalist TORT aggrandizers - invalidators of free market
enterprise - who need to speak with their invalidating constituents
about what is prospectively "invalid", than prospectively a rich
enterprise such as this.

These "invalidators" do this so as to not upset too many of their
trial lawyer friends with their own asses in a sling.

There's your huckleberry, pilgrim.


The following article lists costs / 7 year interval to build, operate,
and maintain components of a remote mining system. *It is assumed that
a power satellite construction center has already been developed in
order to facilitate a cargo vessel launch and GAMS tracking system.
(GAMS referring to here as a Geosynchronous Asteroid Mining Satelite).

Articles for Development:

Cargo Vessel Propulsion System, Navigation System, and Structural
Shell from the years 2010 – 2017 represent a projected cost in
millions from $235M - $375M.

That's not an estimate, that's a hallucinatory delusion. *Your costs
are short by an order of magnitude.


Sure, barring any involvement from beltway rot, which seems to be
perpetrating worldwide by the minute. Care to relocate to Antarctica?
(didn't think so).

Like I said earlier, all prospects for proposals like these get
underfunded and overlicensed on purpose - too many TORT interests that
want to bring society back into the control of the puppetmasters, so
they will seek at all costs to marginalize any attempt to bring the
spirit of entrepreneurialism into the market.

Mechanical Head Boring Tool, Hydraulics, Power Supply, and
Instrumentation represent a projected cost in millions from $25M -
$115M.

Tray Dump Handling System (Retractable Rail, Hydraulics, Cars &
Canopy, Equipment, Power Supplies, Instrumentation) represent a
projected cost in millions from $30M - $92M.

Regolith Processing (Centrifuge, piping, storage tanks, pumps, ROV’s,
instrumentation, electrical)
represent a projected cost in millions from $12M - $58M.

Geosynchronous Asteroid Mapping Satellite incl. SAR instrumentation,
Booster, ROV mechanical, R&D represent a projected cost in millions
from $21M - $52M.

The TOTAL COSTS incurred for all phases of development represent a
projected cost in millions from $323M - $692 M.

$8 billion easy - If NASA doesn't explode it at launch. *Put in for a
TARP.


There would be better brains at NASA if their shackles to intuition
were removed and they didn't have so many self-righteous bureaucrats
looking over their shoulder - and that's putting it lightly!

The RETURN ON INVESTMENT (ROI) represents a DECREASE IN PERCENTAGE
from 1500% - 1170%!

As one can plainly conclude, the proposed R.O.I. *for a precious metal
mining mission far outpaces the mission costs.

Got your eye on a solid iridium asteroid, chump? *All the stuff out
there is undifferentiated. *If you brought a tonne of precious metal
its value would plummet.


Again, from an earlier post:

The feasibility of mining an asteroid is multi: First of all,
we need a way to react quickly to an incoming asteroid if the
need arises. For that to happen, we need nuclear space propulsion
systems "on" and "outside" of high earth orbit for the Hohmann
transfer, as well for establishing a base on the surface of
an asteroid.


Secondly, regarding the exploitation of mineral resources, that
if there was more of a need for macroeconomic ripples, you are
allowed to disagree if you believe that the Federal Reserve sets
the rates for platinum, which it would not if the privateers are
the ones who set the price in the first place. Just because there
is "policing" or "fear" that greed will run amok on earth is no
reason to believe that the privateers are a bunch of pirates,
either. You can arbitrarily set the price of platinum as low as
you want, so the resource for platinum will then just "dry up"
without replenishment." All this means is that outside of earth
orbit, there are advantages to being closer to where the mining
takes place."

Space is a completely different country. We really don't need
globalist invalidators to dictate how to spend our own, and rightfully
deserved standard of trade - that being just one of the fringe
benefits of a more massive earth-to-orbit infrastructure.

*It should be noted,
however, that with the current I.S.S. (that actually negates the SLI
by its NASA constituents, the earth-to-orbit costs for delivering
modules for construction would offset an R.O.I. by as much as 20%, in
addition to the costs of operating and maintaining a Power Satellite
Construction Center, described in a previous post.

[snip rest]

Uncle Al apologizes. *You are not hallucinating, you are lying.


No need to apologize - you're WAY TO wrong anyway - the I.S.S. for
America is a whole waste of taxpayer's money - just look at the
equipment racks - they're WAY TOO small to do anything really
INDUSTRIAL - like assembling modules for construction in zero gravity!

What HAS the I.S.S. done to contribute to our overall advancing as a
society? (The state-run media complex sure wouldn't report on anything
technologically advantageous & practically free, now would they?

--
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American

American wrote:

What this is about:

Brainstorming or offering a proposal to design and engineer an
extraterrestrial resource development facility for the purpose of
establishing a permanent presence in space for private enterprise
worldwide:

1) You can't visit the asteroid belt and not get fried by
radiation.
2) You can't grab a NEO without getting similarly fried.
3) Robotics suck. You will have no real time control. AI will be
a disaster.
4) The solar system is a dusty place to land. Ceramic
microspherules are fantastic for ruining seals and eroding moving
parts in contact. Lunar astronauht lungs took a beating, too.
5) 99942 Apophis will be within 15,000 miles of Earth's surface on
13 April 2029. Go grab that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apophis_pass.svg

4) There's nothing there when you get there. How much asteroid
dirt must you e-Bay to cover your Accounts Payables?

This article provides a record of a prospective cost analysis in order
to establish performance parameters.

Projective Expenses

With respect to asteroid mining, the cost of delivering a robotic
spacecraft to rendezvous, mine, and return to an orbital docking
facility with scanned soil samples depends upon the technological
commitment to remote operation, simulation, and the interpretation of
real component descriptors affecting allowable performance
parameters.

Translation: It will dig a huge red ragged hole brimming with red
ink.

The following article lists costs / 7 year interval to build, operate,
and maintain components of a remote mining system. It is assumed that
a power satellite construction center has already been developed in
order to facilitate a cargo vessel launch and GAMS tracking system.
(GAMS referring to here as a Geosynchronous Asteroid Mining Satelite).

Articles for Development:

Cargo Vessel Propulsion System, Navigation System, and Structural
Shell from the years 2010 – 2017 represent a projected cost in
millions from $235M - $375M.

That's not an estimate, that's a hallucinatory delusion. Your costs
are short by an order of magnitude.

Mechanical Head Boring Tool, Hydraulics, Power Supply, and
Instrumentation represent a projected cost in millions from $25M -
$115M.

Tray Dump Handling System (Retractable Rail, Hydraulics, Cars &
Canopy, Equipment, Power Supplies, Instrumentation) represent a
projected cost in millions from $30M - $92M.

Regolith Processing (Centrifuge, piping, storage tanks, pumps, ROV’s,
instrumentation, electrical)
represent a projected cost in millions from $12M - $58M.

Geosynchronous Asteroid Mapping Satellite incl. SAR instrumentation,
Booster, ROV mechanical, R&D represent a projected cost in millions
from $21M - $52M.

The TOTAL COSTS incurred for all phases of development represent a
projected cost in millions from $323M - $692 M.

$8 billion easy - If NASA doesn't explode it at launch. Put in for a
TARP.

The RETURN ON INVESTMENT (ROI) represents a DECREASE IN PERCENTAGE
from 1500% - 1170%!

As one can plainly conclude, the proposed R.O.I. for a precious metal
mining mission far outpaces the mission costs.

Got your eye on a solid iridium asteroid, chump? All the stuff out
there is undifferentiated. If you brought a tonne of precious metal
its value would plummet.

It should be noted,
however, that with the current I.S.S. (that actually negates the SLI
by its NASA constituents, the earth-to-orbit costs for delivering
modules for construction would offset an R.O.I. by as much as 20%, in
addition to the costs of operating and maintaining a Power Satellite
Construction Center, described in a previous post.
[snip rest]

Uncle Al apologizes. You are not hallucinating, you are lying.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm

The story begins with how the U.S. government became blindfolded with
fear instead of intuitively seeking atomic security regarding the
original Orion Project, which became, by the late 50's, WAY over-
rhetoricized, and carried down through the years, even to the point of
naming a contemporary program after it - ORION (back to the moon
program).

The lack of large stores of weapons material between the superpowers
does not mean that civilian material might be diverted for
centrifuging into weapons-grade - that is the reason for
organizations supporting:

The Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT), the International Atomic Energy
Agency (IAEA), the International Committee for Radiation Protection
(ICRP), Institute for Nucclear Power Operations (INPO), members of the
Initiative for Propliferation Prevention (IPP), Organization for
Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), Natural Resources Defense
Council (NRDC), Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), United States
Enrichment Corporation (USEC), United Nations Scientific Committee on
the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR), the United States
Binational Commission (USRBC), Committee on International Security and
Arms Control (CISAC), and the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC).

No problem.

There's nothing like a non-lethal pulse unit to begin with.

It would seem to indicate that for the original Orion program, even
the safe use of nuclear pulse units as "bomblets" gets over-
politicized.


American

The problem of space-travel is not a technical problem. It used to be
a problem of will. Today, it is a problem of ability to raise and
spend the money needed to lead in space.

What are you looking for?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKqdePEwEkc

The USA since 1900 has spent $15 trillion on military infrastructure.
$14 trillion of this has been since 1966. The USA is also running $14
trillion in public debt, mostly to foreign interests. In 1980 the USA
saved 10% of its income, and owed 60% of its income in debt, and owned
90% of all the assets in America. In 2000AD the USA didn't save at
all! On average people borrowed 4% of their income, owed 160% of
their annual income as debt and owned only 30% of all the assets in
America.

How did this happen?

The USA had policies in place that promoted this transfer of wealth,
primarily so it could outspend all other countries combined in the
nuclear age, so as to avoid a nuclear war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCJl-ZbHOYc

What can we do about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYuK0iJqpNA

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I81ogcX3ONY

On Dec 1, 6:15*pm, William Mook wrote:
The problem of space-travel is not a technical problem. *It used to be
a problem of will. *Today, it is a problem of ability to raise and
spend the money needed to lead in space.

What are you looking for?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKqdePEwEkc

The USA since 1900 has spent $15 trillion on military infrastructure.
$14 trillion of this has been since 1966. *The USA is also running $14
trillion in public debt, mostly to foreign interests. *In 1980 the USA
saved 10% of its income, and owed 60% of its income in debt, and owned
90% of all the assets in America. *In 2000AD the USA didn't save at
all! *On average people borrowed 4% of their income, owed 160% of
their annual income as debt and owned only 30% of all the assets in
America.

How did this happen?

The USA had policies in place that promoted this transfer of wealth,
primarily so it could outspend all other countries combined in the
nuclear age, so as to avoid a nuclear war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCJl-ZbHOYc

What can we do about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYuK0iJqpNA

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I81ogcX3ONY

Mook wrote:

“The problem of space-travel is not a technical problem.
It used to be a problem of will. Today, it is a problem of
ability to raise and spend the money needed to lead in space.”

Gold is at an all time high.

Does the outspent bureaucracy have the ability to purchase
gold with its stash of cash?

No, it doesn’t.

Therefore, only those purchasing gold could afford the money-
changing cash that would be required for leadership in space –
but it’s beginning to sound like, at least in the short term, the
only thing that will protect GOLD worldwide will be a nuclear
defense mechanism – wanna bet?

Will it be with the love of GOLD that will eventually (a) condemn
those who are opposed to space exploration, or will it (b) support?

The awlful answer IMO is (a), because just as soon as an earth-like
w/moon planetary system becomes discovered, the entire world’s
monetary systems will collapse, and the only thing left that will
be worth anything is (a) a new golden “space standard” and
(b) the brains and where-with-all that will set the stage for
a new kind of propulsion technology to take hold – not
excluding anything resembling a human/A.I. interface.

Truthfully though, is not the mountain of our opposition in all
of this at least metaphorically, a “carbon copy” of the same mountain
that Moses’ Jews circled for over forty years before deciding to
leave with Caleb and the ten?

If not, then what will it be that replaces the GOLD that is used
to mass-populate another earth-like planet extraterrestrially?

Based upon this assumption, we’re also attempting to forever
condemn any use of nukes not only in this country, but
worldwide as well – the offer is a wise one, but it then
shifts the emphasis on what the purpose would become –
NOT for nations that must never go to war – but for nations
that must forever decide to abundantly and intelligently
lead by example – or even by delegating the authority for
the responsible use of nuclear energy – possibly using smaller
devices or units such as Orion, for example, in order to
incrementally replace the gold standard with a more widely
and abundant use of extraterrestrial resources as the new
golden space-standard.

This, unfortunately, puts an undue pressure on international
authorities, primarily because IMO there is more evil in the world
than not – evil that will attempt at all costs to snatch defeat from
the
jaws of victory – the success of a project of this sort has to deal
to the international community an element of surprise – with
a minimum of progress reports issued to the drooling-at-large.


American

On Dec 1, 6:15*pm, William Mook wrote:
The problem of space-travel is not a technical problem. *It used to be
a problem of will. *Today, it is a problem of ability to raise and
spend the money needed to lead in space.

What are you looking for?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKqdePEwEkc

The USA since 1900 has spent $15 trillion on military infrastructure.
$14 trillion of this has been since 1966. *The USA is also running $14
trillion in public debt, mostly to foreign interests. *In 1980 the USA
saved 10% of its income, and owed 60% of its income in debt, and owned
90% of all the assets in America. *In 2000AD the USA didn't save at
all! *On average people borrowed 4% of their income, owed 160% of
their annual income as debt and owned only 30% of all the assets in
America.

How did this happen?

The USA had policies in place that promoted this transfer of wealth,
primarily so it could outspend all other countries combined in the
nuclear age, so as to avoid a nuclear war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCJl-ZbHOYc

What can we do about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYuK0iJqpNA

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I81ogcX3ONY

Mook wrote:

“The problem of space-travel is not a technical problem.
It used to be a problem of will. Today, it is a problem of
ability to raise and spend the money needed to lead in space.”

Gold is at an all time high.

Does the outspent bureaucracy have the ability to purchase
gold with its stash of cash?

No, it doesn’t.

Therefore, only those purchasing gold could afford the money-
changing cash that would be required for leadership in space –
but it’s beginning to sound like, at least in the short term, the
only thing that will protect GOLD worldwide will be a nuclear
defense mechanism – wanna bet?

Will it be with the love of GOLD that will eventually (a) condemn
those who are opposed to space exploration, or will it (b) support?

The awlful answer IMO is (a), because just as soon as an earth-like
w/moon planetary system becomes discovered, the entire world’s
monetary systems will collapse, and the only thing left that will
be worth anything is (a) a new golden “space standard” and
(b) the brains and where-with-all that will set the stage for
a new kind of propulsion technology to take hold – not
excluding anything resembling a human/A.I. interface.

Truthfully though, is not the mountain of our opposition in all
of this at least metaphorically, a “carbon copy” of the same mountain
that Moses’ Jews circled for over forty years before deciding to
leave with Caleb and the ten?

If not, then what will it be that replaces the GOLD that is used
to mass-populate another earth-like planet extraterrestrially?

Based upon this assumption, we’re also attempting to forever
condemn any use of nukes not only in this country, but
worldwide as well – the offer is a wise one, but it then
shifts the emphasis on what the purpose would become –
NOT for nations that must never go to war – but for nations
that must forever decide to abundantly and intelligently
lead by example – or even by delegating the authority for
the responsible use of nuclear energy – possibly using smaller
devices or units such as Orion, for example, in order to
incrementally replace the gold standard with a more widely
and abundant use of extraterrestrial resources as the new
golden space-standard.

This, unfortunately, puts an undue pressure on international
authorities, primarily because IMO there is more evil in the world
than not – evil that will attempt at all costs to snatch defeat from
the jaws of victory – the success of a project of this sort has to
deal
to the international community an element of surprise – with
a minimum of progress reports issued to the drooling-at-large.

On Dec 1, 6:15*pm, William Mook wrote:
The problem of space-travel is not a technical problem. *It used to be
a problem of will. *Today, it is a problem of ability to raise and
spend the money needed to lead in space.

What are you looking for?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKqdePEwEkc

The USA since 1900 has spent $15 trillion on military infrastructure.
$14 trillion of this has been since 1966. *The USA is also running $14
trillion in public debt, mostly to foreign interests. *In 1980 the USA
saved 10% of its income, and owed 60% of its income in debt, and owned
90% of all the assets in America. *In 2000AD the USA didn't save at
all! *On average people borrowed 4% of their income, owed 160% of
their annual income as debt and owned only 30% of all the assets in
America.

How did this happen?

The USA had policies in place that promoted this transfer of wealth,
primarily so it could outspend all other countries combined in the
nuclear age, so as to avoid a nuclear war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCJl-ZbHOYc

What can we do about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYuK0iJqpNA

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I81ogcX3ONY

Mook wrote:

“The problem of space-travel is not a technical problem.
It used to be a problem of will. Today, it is a problem of
ability to raise and spend the money needed to lead in space.”

Gold is at an all time high.

Does the outspent bureaucracy have the ability to purchase
gold with its stash of cash?

No, it doesn’t.

Therefore, only those purchasing gold could afford the money-
changing cash that would be required for leadership in space –
but it’s beginning to sound like, at least in the short term, the
only thing that will protect GOLD worldwide will be a nuclear
defense mechanism – wanna bet?

Will it be with the love of GOLD that will eventually (a) condemn
those who are opposed to space exploration, or will it (b) support?

The awlful answer IMO is (a), because just as soon as an earth-like
w/moon planetary system becomes discovered, the entire world’s
monetary systems will collapse, and the only thing left that will
be worth anything is (a) a new golden “space standard” and
(b) the brains and where-with-all that will set the stage for
a new kind of propulsion technology to take hold – not
excluding anything resembling a human/A.I. interface.

Truthfully though, is not the mountain of our opposition in all
of this at least metaphorically, a “carbon copy” of the same mountain
that Moses’ Jews circled for over forty years before deciding to
leave with Caleb and the ten?

If not, then what will it be that replaces the GOLD that is used
to mass-populate another earth-like planet extraterrestrially?

Based upon this assumption, we’re also attempting to forever
condemn any use of nukes not only in this country, but
worldwide as well – the offer is a wise one, but it then
shifts the emphasis on what the purpose would become –
NOT for nations that must never go to war – but for nations
that must forever decide to abundantly and intelligently
lead by example – or even by delegating the authority for
the responsible use of nuclear energy – possibly using smaller
devices or units such as Orion, for example, in order to
incrementally replace the gold standard with a more widely
and abundant use of extraterrestrial resources as the new
golden space-standard.

This, unfortunately, puts an undue pressure on international
authorities, primarily because IMO there is more evil in the world
than not – evil that will attempt at all costs to snatch defeat from
the jaws of victory – the success of a project of this sort has to
deal to the international community an element of surprise –
with a minimum of progress reports issued to the
drooling-at-large.


American

Take the Space Shuttle External Tank. It masses 26.5 metric tons
empty and 760.0 metric tons filled. Equipped with a 19.6 foot
diameter propulsive end cap made of a MEMs based propulsive skin that
weighed 1 ton and produced 1,080 tons thrust, the revised tank would
lift off with 1.4 gees. A thermal protection system adds 7.9 tons to
the overall mass. This brings the total to 768.9 metric tons for a
revised launcher that is fully reusable and lofts 78.1 metric tons
into LEO - located in an extended inter-tank region made to house the
payload pod.

Six ETs modified in a similar way, operate as a two stage to orbit
vehicle treating a centrally situated seventh ET as a cargo only
system. Looking down from above the tanks are situated as follows;

(1)(2)
(3)(4)(5)
(6)(7)

1 and 6 feed 3
2 and 7 feed 5

So, 1,2,6,7 drain as the first stage
3 and 5 are the second stage after the first 4 fall away.

The central ET is ALL payload. It carries a total of 575 metric
tons. 500 tons of that is useful, the rest is the ET and associated
hardware!

If the central ET is the system described at first, with the 78.1
metric tons payload in the interank region, the first 2 stages add 7.8
km per sec to the speed while the third stage now is capable of adding
9.2 km per second more!! With air drag and gravity losses, this is
still enough to send the 78.1 metric ton payload to the moon or
mars.

V^2 = mu * ((2/r) - (1/a))

V= velocity of an orbiting body
mu = gravitational parameter 891.9 AU * km2/sec2 for the sun
r= radius
a=semi-major axis.

Earth is in a circular orbit 1.00 AU
Ceres is in roughly a circular orbit that is 2.76 AU in radius.

A minimum energy transfer orbit has a semi-major axis of (2.76 + 1)/2
= 1.88 AU

So, the orbital velocity of Earth is 29.9 km/sec
The orbital velocity of Ceres is 17.9 km/sec

An object at Earth orbit (1 AU) that has an apohelion at Ceres orbit
(2.76 AU) has a speed of 36.2 km/sec. So, subtracting 29.9 km/sec
from this speed, this means that an object must be projected from
Earth with a hyperbolic excess velocity of 36.2-29.9 = 6.3 km/sec.

When the object reaches Ceres it is travelling at 13.1 km/sec. Ceres
is travelling at 17.9 km/sec. So, 17.9 - 13.1 =4.8 km/sec must be
added to the speed of the vehicle to circularize the orbit at Ceres.

The total delta vee budget therefore is 11.1 km/sec. Reducing the
payload mass from 78.1 metric tons to 22.0 metric tons - allows us to
land softly on Ceres.

Once on Ceres with an appropriate payload, we can imagine building a
solar powered rail gun from local materials using some variant of nano-
technology, and sending materials back to Earth equipped with solar
sails to slow down at Earth and enter Earth orbit. There, we send up
500 ton manufacturing 'blocks' to process the incoming raw materials
into additional space based hardware, and a wide range of consumer
products that are then deorbited directly to users on the ground.

The single ET lofting 78 tons to LEO is useful for creating a
telecommunications infrastructure capable of earning hundreds of
billions of dollars profit each year in the communications business.

The multiple ET vehicle lofting 500 tons to LEO is useful for placing
low-mass solar pumped lasers on orbit, earning trillions of dollars
profit each year in the energy business.

These profits are sufficient to develop payloads that operate at Ceres
to send back a steady and growing stream of raw materials, and develop
automated and remotely operated factories on orbit that process those
materials into significant infrastructure on orbit, and deliver food,
wood, and goods to everyone at very low cost and tremendous profit.
(Everyone consuming at the average US per capita rate of $50,000 per
year creates a world that produces 8 billion x $50 thousand = $400
trillion per year - all without producing any pollution within Earth's
biosphere. The Earth is a residential park supported by an orbiting
industrial infrastructure.

Laser propelled vehicles, with laser energy beamed from space, are the
next step that make instantaneous travel anywhere on Earth in minutes
possible. A quick step from that to orbit, and orbiting space homes.
Moving Earth orbiting powersats to orbit around the Sun, close in,
increases energy levels, to allow mobile space homes that span the
solar system, and growth of that system allows interstellar space
homes using laser light sails.




SPACE SHUTTLE EXTERNAL TANK SPECS

SLWT Specifications
Length: 153.8 ft (46.9 m)
Diameter: 27.6 ft (8.4 m)
Empty Weight: 58,500 lb (26,500 kg)
Gross Liftoff Weight: 1,680,000 lb (760,000 kg)
LOX tank
Length: 54.6 ft (16.6 m)
Diameter: 27.6 ft (8.4 m)
Volume (at 22 psig): 19,541.66 cu ft (146,181.8 US gal; 553,358 l)
LOX mass (at 22 psig): 1,387,457 lb (629,340 kg)
Operation Pressu 20-22 psi (140-150 kPa) (gauge)
Intertank
Length: 22.6 ft (6.9 m)
Diameter: 27.6 ft (8.4 m)
LH2 tank
Length: 97.0 ft (29.6 m)
Diameter: 27.6 ft (8.4 m)
Volume (at 29.3 psig): 52,881.61 cu ft (395,581.9 US gal; 1,497,440 l)
LH2 mass (at 29.3 psig): 234,265 lb (106,261 kg)
Operation Pressu 32-34 psi (220-230 kPa) (absolute)
Operation Temperatu -423 °F (-252.8 °C)[3]

On Dec 3, 11:56*am, American wrote:
On Dec 1, 6:15*pm, William Mook wrote:



The problem of space-travel is not a technical problem. *It used to be
a problem of will. *Today, it is a problem of ability to raise and
spend the money needed to lead in space.

What are you looking for?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKqdePEwEkc

The USA since 1900 has spent $15 trillion on military infrastructure.
$14 trillion of this has been since 1966. *The USA is also running $14
trillion in public debt, mostly to foreign interests. *In 1980 the USA
saved 10% of its income, and owed 60% of its income in debt, and owned
90% of all the assets in America. *In 2000AD the USA didn't save at
all! *On average people borrowed 4% of their income, owed 160% of
their annual income as debt and owned only 30% of all the assets in
America.

How did this happen?

The USA had policies in place that promoted this transfer of wealth,
primarily so it could outspend all other countries combined in the
nuclear age, so as to avoid a nuclear war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCJl-ZbHOYc

What can we do about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYuK0iJqpNA

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I81ogcX3ONY
Mook wrote:

“The problem of space-travel is not a technical problem.
*It used to be a problem of will. *Today, it is a problem of
*ability to raise and spend the money needed to lead in space.”

Gold is at an all time high.

Does the outspent bureaucracy have the ability to purchase
gold with its stash of cash?

No, it doesn’t.

Therefore, only those purchasing gold could afford the money-
changing cash that would be required for leadership in space –
but it’s beginning to sound like, at least in the short term, the
only thing that will protect GOLD worldwide will be a nuclear
defense mechanism – wanna bet?

Will it be with the love of GOLD that will eventually (a) condemn
those who are opposed to space exploration, or will it (b) support?

The awlful answer IMO is (a), because just as soon as an earth-like
w/moon planetary system becomes discovered, the entire world’s
monetary systems will collapse, and the only thing left that will
be worth anything is (a) a new golden “space standard” and
(b) the brains and where-with-all that will set the stage for
a new kind of propulsion technology to take hold – not
excluding anything resembling a human/A.I. interface.

Truthfully though, is not the mountain of our opposition in all
of this at least metaphorically, a “carbon copy” of the same mountain
that Moses’ Jews circled for over forty years before deciding to
leave with Caleb and the ten?

If not, then what will it be that replaces the GOLD that is used
to mass-populate another earth-like planet extraterrestrially?

Based upon this assumption, we’re also attempting to forever
condemn any use of nukes not only in this country, but
worldwide as well – the offer is a wise one, but it then
shifts the emphasis on what the purpose would become –
NOT for nations that must never go to war – but for nations
that must forever decide to abundantly and intelligently
lead by example – or *even by delegating the authority for
the responsible use of nuclear energy – possibly using smaller
devices or units such as Orion, for example, in order to
incrementally replace the gold standard with a more widely
and abundant use of extraterrestrial resources as the new
golden space-standard.

This, unfortunately, puts an undue pressure on international
authorities, primarily because IMO there is more evil in the world
than not – evil that will attempt at all costs to snatch defeat from
the jaws of victory – the success of a project of this sort has to
deal to the international community an element of surprise –
with a minimum of progress reports issued to the
drooling-at-large.

American

You are nearly 100% correct.

The love of gold and other precious elements (especially radium) as
well as those nifty tonnes of 3He and quite possibly tonnes of
carbonado is going to drive the what-if future of anything related to
our moon or other off-world explorations that'll have to pay for
themselves, that is unless we can perpetrate yet another bogus cold-
war in order to trick the public into funding those continued losses
as demonstrated by our DARPA and NASA.

~ BG

A rail gun on Ceres imparts 4 km/sec to materials sent to Earth rising
to 6 km/sec over the course of 6 months or so. Material initially
falls directly to Earth. Later, the addition of solar sails allows
the stream of material to enter Earth orbit.

Two tons of raw materials per person per year, for eight billion
people represents sixteen billion tons of materials per year. That's
507 metric tons per second. To eject material at this rate from Ceres
with sufficient speed to make it to Earth requires 6.3 trilion watts
of solar energy. This is collected by solar panels that form a region
187 kilometers wide at Ceres. A rail gun covering the width of these
panels fires a 37,000 ton payload every 72 seconds - accelerating it
at 6.8 gees to maintain this rate.

This is all built with a 20 ton 'seed' payload from raw materials
found at the site.