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"El Kabong" Gemini parasail landing tests, 1965
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:15:30 +0200, Jochem Huhmann
wrote: But why did they use skids? With the ability for precision landings you can land at a runway and use wheels. ....Wheels usually require tires, and tires generally require inner tubes or a pressurized gas holding the walls rigid, and at that time there were questions about vacuum storage and temperature issues that made tires something that had to wait. And besides, skids folded flatter, took up less weight, and above all else didn't blow out on impact. OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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"El Kabong" Gemini parasail landing tests, 1965
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:17:13 GMT, h (Rand
Simberg) wrote: Of course, now we know that Huckleberry Hound was totally gay. ....He and Rob Arndt should get along fine, then. OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:38:56 -0400, "R.Glueck"
wrote: While totally unrelated, I think these cartoons were following to catch up on the "Rocky and Bullwinkle" programs, which were perhaps the the funniest, most intellectually pleasing, topical, cartoons of their day. These were cartoons which didn't talk down to children or adults, and actually required some literacy to really understand. These were produced by Jay Ward and Bill Scott. ....Up to the day they died, neither Jay nor Bill, or even June Foray - who's still alive and looking great for a gal in her 70's - ever understood how the name "Irving Farquard" got past the censors. OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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OM writes:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:15:30 +0200, Jochem Huhmann wrote: But why did they use skids? With the ability for precision landings you can land at a runway and use wheels. ...Wheels usually require tires, and tires generally require inner tubes or a pressurized gas holding the walls rigid, and at that time there were questions about vacuum storage and temperature issues that made tires something that had to wait. And besides, skids folded flatter, took up less weight, and above all else didn't blow out on impact. OK, I certainly can see that all this is significant with such a small craft as Gemini was. But it's funny, everytime I look at Gemini I think that it was a capsule with great potential, both Apollo and the Shuttle look somewhat fundamentally wrong and clumsy compared to it. I can perfectly imagine a Gemini about the size of the Shuttle crew compartment sailing down, deploying its landing gear and touching down at a runway... Jochem -- "A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery |
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"El Kabong" Gemini parasail landing tests, 1965
"Jochem Huhmann" wrote in message ... But it's funny, everytime I look at Gemini I think that it was a capsule with great potential, both Apollo and the Shuttle look somewhat fundamentally wrong and clumsy compared to it. I can perfectly imagine a Gemini about the size of the Shuttle crew compartment sailing down, deploying its landing gear and touching down at a runway... http://www.astronautix.com/craft/bigemini.htm From above, Big Gemini would have used the same sort of skid landing system being discussed here. The advanced concept was to have held 12 astronauts. The above could have been to service a big (Saturn V launched) space station whose diameter was the same as the first and second stages (i.e. considerably bigger than Skylab). Of course, all these studies were for naught since NASA's funding was drastically cut once Apollo/Saturn development was largely complete. There was great support for beating the Soviets to the moon, to show our technical and economic superiority, but there was little support for manned space travel beyond that. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919) |
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Jeff Findley wrote: "Jochem Huhmann" wrote in message ... But it's funny, everytime I look at Gemini I think that it was a capsule with great potential, both Apollo and the Shuttle look somewhat fundamentally wrong and clumsy compared to it. I can perfectly imagine a Gemini about the size of the Shuttle crew compartment sailing down, deploying its landing gear and touching down at a runway... http://www.astronautix.com/craft/bigemini.htm From above, Big Gemini would have used the same sort of skid landing system being discussed here. The advanced concept was to have held 12 astronauts. And then on to Mars: http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/model...inggemini.html Where amazingly, you don't even need backpacks to breathe...which makes one wonder what the helmets are for. Pat |
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Pat Flannery writes:
And then on to Mars: http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/model...inggemini.html Where amazingly, you don't even need backpacks to breathe...which makes one wonder what the helmets are for. Probably for head-protection when they fall while climbing up that thing. Jochem -- "A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery |
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Jochem Huhmann wrote: And then on to Mars: http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/model...inggemini.html Where amazingly, you don't even need backpacks to breathe...which makes one wonder what the helmets are for. Probably for head-protection when they fall while climbing up that thing. It looks like he's setting up a portable barbecue grill at the base of the landing leg. Probably to cook those sausage plants CDR Christopher Draper found in "Robinson Crusoe On Mars". I'd like to have a rope tied on me for the climb down the side, low Mars gravity or not. Note that the wings and vertical fins on the lander have no control surfaces on them, and that there are no control thrusters on the thing's exterior. We now know what's in the interior of the spacecraft's aft section...huge gyroscopes. ;-) Pat |
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