Under the shadow of the Moon

Saw the solar eclipse of November 14, 2012, from Mareeba, Queensland,
Australia. Did anyone else get to go?

Bud

PS Shut up, Kelleher.

On Nov 18, 3:49*pm, William Hamblen
wrote:
Saw the solar eclipse of November 14, 2012, from Mareeba, Queensland,
Australia. *Did anyone else get to go?

Bud

PS Shut up, Kelleher.

Would that be a spinning moon ?.

How many good kids are blocked from enjoying astronomy because of you
clowns - a type of intellectual genocide where the worst ideas are
entertained for the simple reason that they defy common sense.

It is a wonder you even know what an eclipse is and I assure you that
the half that faces the Sun at the eclipse as the lunar orbits puts
the moon between the Earth and the Sun always faces away from our view
because..... the moon doesn't spin !!.

The world needs astronomers more than ever,not dullards with nothing
to say.

On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:05:46 AM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:

Would that be a spinning moon ?.

Yes, it would, with respect to everything except the Earth...

On Nov 18, 7:51*pm, palsing wrote:
On Sunday, November 18, 2012 9:05:46 AM UTC-8, oriel36 wrote:
Would that be a spinning moon ?.

Yes, it would, with respect to everything except the Earth...

The header is a dead giveway - once you are 'under' the moon you can
be certain there is a spinning moon junkie there also.

The lunar orbit of the moon around the Earth is the one observation we
share with all astronomers from all ages and not a single astronomer
from antiquity up to the late 17th century ever posited a spinning
moon and especially not a few sentences after he has Venus turn once
in 23 hours !.

I wouldn't mind if above/below was just a shorthand for observations
but for Ra/Dec observers it is official policy and they make no
attempt to frame observations and interpretations in the same way the
old astronomers did in looking out at the moon,Sun and other planets -

"But apart from these considerations, see whether a certain important
fact has not escaped their notice. For if whatsoever space, and
whatever thing exists away from the center of Earth, is the ‘above,’
then no part of Earth is ‘below,’ but Earth herself and the things
upon Earth; and, in a word, everybody standing around or investing the
center, become the ‘above;’ whilst ‘below’ is one sole thing, that
incorporeal point, which has the duty of counterbalancing the whole
constitution of the world; if, indeed, the ‘below’ is by its nature
opposed to the ‘above.’ And this is not the only absurdity in the
argument, but it also does away with the cause through which all
ponderous bodies gravitate in this direction, and tend downwards: for
there is no mark below towards which they move: for the incorporeal
point is not likely (nor do they pretend it is) to exert so much force
as to draw down all objects to itself, and keep them together around
itself. But yet, it is proved unreasonable, and repugnant to facts, to
suppose the ‘above’ of the world to be a whole, but the ‘below’ an
incorporeal and indefinite limit: whereas that course is consistent
with reason, to say, as we do, that the space is large and possessed
of width, and is defined by the ‘above’ and the ‘below’ of locality.."
Plutarch

http://thriceholy.net/Texts/Moon.html

It is part of Oriel's mental health issues that he is unable to resist
trying to hijack threads so he can post yet another minor variations
of his usual nonsense.

He quite literally cannot stop himself from doing this (it is both
instructive and frightening to examine how often he posts) and it is
hard to imagine that he has a normal life as in paid employment, a
family and other leisure activities.

On Nov 19, 4:19*pm, Martin Nicholson
wrote:
It is part of Oriel's mental health issues that he is unable to resist
trying to hijack threads so he can post yet another minor variations
of his usual nonsense.

He quite literally cannot stop himself from doing this (it is both
instructive and frightening to examine how often he posts) and it is
hard to imagine that he has a normal life as in paid employment, a
family and other leisure activities.

I have always felt the injustice was directed at the astronomical
heritage itself or at students who go through what I can only describe
as an indoctrination process yet thinking about this,I feel the
injustice that those close to me have suffered so that a bunch of
salaried snakes can pick up on insights and principles they didn't
work for and pass them off as their own.For each and every hostile
post directed towards me there is something else at work in the
background as individuals and organizations adjust and adapt so call
it what you will - that is a genuine injustice and it comes at
personal sacrifice that those close to me have to absorb. If things
were anyway right I would not have to see insights that originated
here go through a process of intellectual osmosis into wider
circulation but that is the hand I am dealt with and I get on with it.

It is part of Oriel's mental health issues that he is unable to resist
trying to hijack threads so he can post yet another minor variation of
his usual nonsense.

He quite literally cannot stop himself from doing this (it is both
instructive and frightening to examine how often he posts) and it is
hard to imagine that he has a normal life as in paid employment, a
family and other leisure activities.

On Nov 20, 12:07*pm, Martin Nicholson
wrote:
It is part of Oriel's mental health issues that he is unable to resist
trying to hijack threads so he can post yet another minor variation of
his usual nonsense.

He quite literally cannot stop himself from doing this (it is both
instructive and frightening to examine how often he posts) and it is
hard to imagine that he has a normal life as in paid employment, a
family and other leisure activities.

Good for you Martin,the rest have certainly obeyed your instruction
despite the fact that they couldn't warm to you.

Hamblen should have noticed that he doesn't see the 'man in the moon'
feature from Australia as he is looking out at the non rotating moon
from a round and rotating Earth so he is not 'under' anything whether
it is the Northern hemisphere or the moon's shadow.

Astronomy is like composing or songwriting,you come to a topic and
initially don't know how it turns out with almost unspoken rules
guiding the information and a sense of what works and what doesn't.
Who knows if it take inherent talent or is acquired through effort
but people are supposed to immerse themselves after initial
unfamiliarity and then get into the spirit of things which is why my
Christian belief in the connection between the Universal/Infinite and
the individual serves as a backdrop for moving information around.

Martin Nicholson wrote:
It is part of Oriel's mental health issues that he is unable to resist
trying to hijack threads so he can post yet another minor variation of
his usual nonsense.

He quite literally cannot stop himself from doing this (it is both
instructive and frightening to examine how often he posts) and it is
hard to imagine that he has a normal life as in paid employment, a
family and other leisure activities.

It's your problem that you seem forced to post the same comment over and
over again.

The thought of even one person in the world taking him seriously makes it
worth responding to his posts to explain the facts.

On Nov 20, 1:34*pm, Mike Collins wrote:
Martin Nicholson wrote:
It is part of Oriel's mental health issues that he is unable to resist
trying to hijack threads so he can post yet another minor variation of
his usual nonsense.

He quite literally cannot stop himself from doing this (it is both
instructive and frightening to examine how often he posts) and it is
hard to imagine that he has a normal life as in paid employment, a
family and other leisure activities.

It's your problem that you seem forced to post the same comment over and
over again.

The thought of even one person in the world taking him seriously makes it
worth responding to his posts to explain the facts.

Here you go Collins,you are front and center - can you explain to
everyone why,if you live long enough,you will see every side of Uranus
as it orbits the Sun as opposed to seeing the same side of the moon as
it makes an orbital circuit of the Earth.

The fact is that they already have figured it out leaving you as a
kind of useful necessity whereas I like your honest convictions that
they will steamroll over in the years ahead -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDWHM00sZJc

In truth what is happening is nothing short of disgraceful,you have
these people behaving in the worst possible manner because they simply
do not know how to act and seemingly lose control of information.

It cost those close to me a great deal so these new approaches to
astronomy and terrestrial sciences could manifest themselves into
wider circulation but I will make it up to those close to me some day.