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Orion (poor man's Saturn V and capsule) won't be ready until at least 2023
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Orion (poor man's Saturn V and capsule) won't be ready until atleast 2023
On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 1:22:32 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 09:31:10 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote: No, actually all we know is that 1 G is good and that ~0 G is bad. We don't know if either 1/3 G or 1/6 G is good enough. We have a good deal of knowledge on the subject. Having a base on the Moon would enable use to do -science- WRT bone loss. But then, you really don't understand science, peterson. The point is, we have little need for such research, since we have little need to be in a low gravity environment. That's a circular argument, peterson. Did it ever occur to you that such research might have applications on Earth? In the meantime, it's a very large investment returning very little of value. It's a cost/benefit analysis. Let's see... $5 billion for 0bama's high speed rail between Tampa and Orlando... hmmm.... Cost/benefit analysis, you say? |
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Orion (poor man's Saturn V and capsule) won't be ready until atleast 2023
On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 6:58:21 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:09:54 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote: The point is, we have little need for such research, since we have little need to be in a low gravity environment. That's a circular argument, peterson. Did it ever occur to you that such research might have applications on Earth? In the meantime, it's a very large investment returning very little of value. It's a cost/benefit analysis. Which your additional comments demonstrate you don't understand. Incorrect. Let's see... $5 billion for 0bama's high speed rail between Tampa and Orlando... hmmm.... Cost/benefit analysis, you say? Non-sequitur. Spaceflight = beneficial. Pork barrel rail lines = not beneficial. Do the math. |
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Orion (poor man's Saturn V and capsule) won't be ready until at least 2023
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:21:29 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 06:11:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote: This vehicle would be good for getting to the Moon, assuming that a lander is in the works too and that turn-around time between launches can be kept short. We have little need for manned flights to the Moon. Manned lunar flights are useful as a replacement for military power demonstrations. After all, manned lunar flights are clearly preferable to more nukes. |
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Orion (poor man's Saturn V and capsule) won't be ready until atleast 2023
On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 12:15:19 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:11:57 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote: Let's see... $5 billion for 0bama's high speed rail between Tampa and Orlando... hmmm.... Cost/benefit analysis, you say? Non-sequitur. Spaceflight = beneficial. Pork barrel rail lines = not beneficial. Do the math. Non sequitur. Really? How so? |
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Orion (poor man's Saturn V and capsule) won't be ready until atleast 2023
On Wednesday, September 23, 2015 at 12:26:44 AM UTC-4, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:21:29 -0600, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 06:11:03 -0700 (PDT), wsnell01 wrote: This vehicle would be good for getting to the Moon, assuming that a lander is in the works too and that turn-around time between launches can be kept short. We have little need for manned flights to the Moon. Manned lunar flights are useful as a replacement for military power demonstrations. Example? After all, manned lunar flights are clearly preferable to more nukes. The Nazis used rockets to terrorize, the USSR used them for propaganda, whereas the US led the way in using them for exploration. |
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Orion (poor man's Saturn V and capsule) won't be ready until atleast 2023
On Wednesday, 23 September 2015 06:26:44 UTC+2, Paul Schlyter wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:21:29 -0600, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 06:11:03 -0700 (PDT), wrote: This vehicle would be good for getting to the Moon, assuming that a lander is in the works too and that turn-around time between launches can be kept short. We have little need for manned flights to the Moon. Manned lunar flights are useful as a replacement for military power demonstrations. After all, manned lunar flights are clearly preferable to more nukes. The Moon only has value where a profit can be made. Adding enough gravity is as easy as adding spin to the protective human container. The multiple containers, of equal size, just to carry life support and shelter could be stuffed with AI bots and scientific apparatus instead. Why not employ AI robots, with wide spectrum, HD vision, sound, touch and a virtual reality link straight back to home? The fully immersed bot-rider is far more useful than a flesh and blood bod in a spacesuit as far as dusty boots are concerned. The bot has far more speed, infinite stamina, far greater strength and doesn't need to stop for a pee, a rest, to cool off, more air or lunch. Only arrogance demands a human presence once the remote viewing/sensing technology is perfected. The only obvious downside is the serious time lag on more distant worlds. Though if it were a humble spaceman he would still have to send pictures back to Earth for expert analysis. Which takes even more time! Which is why you really need AI bots out there in the field. A global team of specialists can plug into the VR feed on demand to maximize scientific value of the remote activities. What the spacemen would trip and stumble over, the expert can spot from several million miles away. Perhaps the up and down links could be managed by FLT [quantum] communication? |
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