|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
...New Analysis of Viking Mission Results Indicates Presence of Life on Mars (Forwarded)
Originally posted in sci.astro by Andrew Yee News Service Washington State University Pullman, Washington Contact: Dirk Schulze-Makuch, WSU School of Earth and Environmental Sciences 509/335-1180 Cherie Winner, WSU News Service 509/335-4846 1/5/2007 NEW ANALYSIS OF VIKING MISSION RESULTS POINTS TO THE PRESENCE OF LIFE ON MARS PULLMAN, Wash. -- We may already have 'met' Martian organisms, according to a paper presented Sunday (Jan. 7) at the meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Seattle. Dirk Schulze-Makuch of Washington State University and Joop Houtkooper of Justus-Liebig-University, Giessen, Germany, argue that even as new missions to Mars seek evidence that the planet might once have supported life, we already have data showing that life exists there now -- data from experiments done by the Viking Mars landers in the late 1970s. "I think the Viking results have been a little bit neglected in the last 10 years or more," said Schulze-Makuch. "But actually, we got a lot of data there." He said recent findings about Earth organisms that live in extreme environments and improvements in our understanding of conditions on Mars give astrobiologists new ways of looking at the 30-year-old data. The researchers hypothesize that Mars is home to microbe-like organisms that use a mixture of water and hydrogen peroxide as their internal fluid. Such a mixture would provide at least three clear benefits to organisms in the cold, dry Martian environment, said Schulze-Makuch. Its freezing point is as low as -56.5 C (depending on the concentration of H2O2); below that temperature it becomes firm but does not form cell-destroying crystals, as water ice does; and H2O2 is hygroscopic, which means it attracts water vapor from the atmosphere -- a valuable trait on a planet where liquid water is rare. Schulze-Makuch said that despite hydrogen peroxide's reputation as a powerful disinfectant, the fluid is also compatible with biological processes if it is accompanied by stabilizing compounds that protect cells from its harmful effects. It performs useful functions inside cells of many terrestrial organisms, including mammals. Some soil microbes tolerate high levels of H2O2 in their surroundings, and the species Acetobacter peroxidans uses hydrogen peroxide in its metabolism. Possibly the most vivid use of hydrogen peroxide by an Earth organism is performed by the bombardier beetle (Brachinus), which produces a solution of 25 percent hydrogen peroxide in water as a defensive spray. The noxious liquid shoots from a special chamber at the beetle's rear end when the beetle is threatened. He said scientists working on the Viking projects weren't looking for organisms that rely on hydrogen peroxide, because at the time nobody was aware that such organisms could exist. The study of extremophiles, organisms that thrive in conditions of extreme temperatures or chemical environments, has just taken off since the 90s, well after the Viking experiments were conducted. The researchers argue that hydrogen peroxide-containing organisms could have produced almost all of the results observed in the Viking experiments. * Hydrogen peroxide is a powerful oxidant. When released from dying cells, it would sharply lower the amount of organic material in their surroundings. This would help explain why Viking's gas chromatograph-mass spectrometer detected no organic compounds on the surface of Mars. This result has also been questioned recently by Rafael Navarro-Gonzalez of the University of Mexico, who reported that similar instruments and methodology are unable to detect organic compounds in places on Earth, such as Antarctic dry valleys, where we know soil microorganisms exist. * The Labeled Release experiment, in which samples of Martian soil (and putative soil organisms) were exposed to water and a nutrient source including radiolabeled carbon, showed rapid production of radiolabeled CO2 which then leveled off. Schulze-Makuch said the initial increase could have been due to metabolism by hydrogen peroxide-containing organisms, and the leveling off could have been due to the organisms dying from exposure to the experimental conditions. He said that point has been argued for years by Gilbert Levin, who was a primary investigator on the original Viking team. The new hypothesis explains why the experimental conditions would have been fatal: microbes using a water-hydrogen peroxide mixture would either "drown" or burst due to water absorption, if suddenly exposed to liquid water. * The possibility that the tests killed the organisms they were looking for is also consistent with the results of the Pyrolytic Release experiment, in which radiolabeled CO2 was converted to organic compounds by samples of Martian soil. Of the seven tests done, three showed significant production of organic substances and one showed much higher production. The variation could simply be due to patchy distribution of microbes, said Schulze-Makuch. Perhaps most interesting was that the sample with the lowest production -- lower even than the control -- had been treated with liquid water. The researchers acknowledge that their hypothesis requires further exploration. "We can be absolutely wrong, and there might not be organisms like that at all," said Schulze-Makuch. "But it's a consistent explanation that would explain the Viking results." He said the Phoenix mission to Mars, which is scheduled for launch in August, 2007, offers a good chance to further explore their hypothesis. Although the mission's experiments were not designed with peroxide-containing organisms in mind, Phoenix will land in a sub-polar area, whose low temperatures and relatively high atmospheric water vapor (from the nearby polar ice caps) should provide better growing conditions for such microbes than the more "tropical" region visited by Viking. Schulze-Makuch said the tests planned for the mission, including the use of two microscopes to examine samples at high magnification, could reveal whether we had the answer all along -- and if we've already introduced ourselves to our Martian neighbors in a harsher way than we intended. "If the hypothesis is true, it would mean that we killed the Martian microbes during our first extraterrestrial contact, by drowning -- due to ignorance," said Schulze-Makuch. |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
...New Analysis of Viking Mission Results Indicates Presenceof Life on Mars (Forwarded)
Jonathan wrote:
Originally posted in sci.astro by Andrew Yee News Service Washington State University Pullman, Washington Contact: Dirk Schulze-Makuch, WSU School of Earth and Environmental Sciences 509/335-1180 Cherie Winner, WSU News Service 509/335-4846 1/5/2007 NEW ANALYSIS OF VIKING MISSION RESULTS POINTS TO THE PRESENCE OF LIFE ON MARS PULLMAN, Wash. -- We may already have 'met' Martian organisms, according to a paper presented Sunday (Jan. 7) at the meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Seattle. Dirk Schulze-Makuch of Washington State University and Joop Houtkooper of Justus-Liebig-University, Giessen, Germany, argue that even as new missions to Mars seek evidence that the planet might once have supported life, we already have data showing that life exists there now -- data from experiments done by the Viking Mars landers in the late 1970s. "I think the Viking results have been a little bit neglected in the last 10 years or more," said Schulze-Makuch. "But actually, we got a lot of data there." He said recent findings about Earth organisms that live in extreme environments and improvements in our understanding of conditions on Mars give astrobiologists new ways of looking at the 30-year-old data. The researchers hypothesize that Mars is home to microbe-like organisms that use a mixture of water and hydrogen peroxide as their internal fluid. Such a mixture would provide at least three clear benefits to organisms in the cold, dry Martian environment, said Schulze-Makuch. Its freezing point is as low as -56.5 C (depending on the concentration of H2O2); below that temperature it becomes firm but does not form cell-destroying crystals, as water ice does; and H2O2 is hygroscopic, which means it attracts water vapor from the atmosphere -- a valuable trait on a planet where liquid water is rare. Schulze-Makuch said that despite hydrogen peroxide's reputation as a powerful disinfectant, the fluid is also compatible with biological processes if it is accompanied by stabilizing compounds that protect cells from its harmful effects. It performs useful functions inside cells of many terrestrial organisms, including mammals. Some soil microbes tolerate high levels of H2O2 in their surroundings, and the species Acetobacter peroxidans uses hydrogen peroxide in its metabolism. Possibly the most vivid use of hydrogen peroxide by an Earth organism is performed by the bombardier beetle (Brachinus), which produces a solution of 25 percent hydrogen peroxide in water as a defensive spray. The noxious liquid shoots from a special chamber at the beetle's rear end when the beetle is threatened. He said scientists working on the Viking projects weren't looking for organisms that rely on hydrogen peroxide, because at the time nobody was aware that such organisms could exist. The study of extremophiles, organisms that thrive in conditions of extreme temperatures or chemical environments, has just taken off since the 90s, well after the Viking experiments were conducted. The researchers argue that hydrogen peroxide-containing organisms could have produced almost all of the results observed in the Viking experiments. * Hydrogen peroxide is a powerful oxidant. When released from dying cells, it would sharply lower the amount of organic material in their surroundings. This would help explain why Viking's gas chromatograph-mass spectrometer detected no organic compounds on the surface of Mars. This result has also been questioned recently by Rafael Navarro-Gonzalez of the University of Mexico, who reported that similar instruments and methodology are unable to detect organic compounds in places on Earth, such as Antarctic dry valleys, where we know soil microorganisms exist. * The Labeled Release experiment, in which samples of Martian soil (and putative soil organisms) were exposed to water and a nutrient source including radiolabeled carbon, showed rapid production of radiolabeled CO2 which then leveled off. Schulze-Makuch said the initial increase could have been due to metabolism by hydrogen peroxide-containing organisms, and the leveling off could have been due to the organisms dying from exposure to the experimental conditions. He said that point has been argued for years by Gilbert Levin, who was a primary investigator on the original Viking team. The new hypothesis explains why the experimental conditions would have been fatal: microbes using a water-hydrogen peroxide mixture would either "drown" or burst due to water absorption, if suddenly exposed to liquid water. * The possibility that the tests killed the organisms they were looking for is also consistent with the results of the Pyrolytic Release experiment, in which radiolabeled CO2 was converted to organic compounds by samples of Martian soil. Of the seven tests done, three showed significant production of organic substances and one showed much higher production. The variation could simply be due to patchy distribution of microbes, said Schulze-Makuch. Perhaps most interesting was that the sample with the lowest production -- lower even than the control -- had been treated with liquid water. The researchers acknowledge that their hypothesis requires further exploration. "We can be absolutely wrong, and there might not be organisms like that at all," said Schulze-Makuch. "But it's a consistent explanation that would explain the Viking results." He said the Phoenix mission to Mars, which is scheduled for launch in August, 2007, offers a good chance to further explore their hypothesis. Although the mission's experiments were not designed with peroxide-containing organisms in mind, Phoenix will land in a sub-polar area, whose low temperatures and relatively high atmospheric water vapor (from the nearby polar ice caps) should provide better growing conditions for such microbes than the more "tropical" region visited by Viking. Schulze-Makuch said the tests planned for the mission, including the use of two microscopes to examine samples at high magnification, could reveal whether we had the answer all along -- and if we've already introduced ourselves to our Martian neighbors in a harsher way than we intended. "If the hypothesis is true, it would mean that we killed the Martian microbes during our first extraterrestrial contact, by drowning -- due to ignorance," said Schulze-Makuch. Classic science. Thanks Jonathan, and keep up the good work! -- The Tsiolkovsky Group : http://www.lifeform.org My Planetary BLOB : http://cosmic.lifeform.org Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
...New Analysis of Viking Mission Results Indicates Presence of Life on Mars (Forwarded)
"kT" wrote in message ... Jonathan wrote: Originally posted in sci.astro by Andrew Yee News Service Washington State University Pullman, Washington Classic science. Thanks Jonathan, and keep up the good work! I'm starting to get psyched up for the Phoenix lander. The near surface soil should still have ice for the samples it'll test. Maybe going to the warmer but dryer equatorial areas was the wrong place to look for life. They say the CO2 ice layer that waxes and wanes every season in the polar regions acts like a greenhouse. Letting sun through to the water ice layers below but keeping the heat in. Possibly allowing water and vapor pockets to form below the ice. At least according to the following paper on the seasonal growth of the polar 'spiders' as they call them. ASTROBIOLOGY Volume 6, Number 4, 2006 Spiders: Water-Driven Erosive Structures in the Southern Hemisphere of Mars http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdf...ast.2006.6.651 -- The Tsiolkovsky Group : http://www.lifeform.org My Planetary BLOB : http://cosmic.lifeform.org Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
...New Analysis of Viking Mission Results Indicates Presence of Life on Mars (Forwarded)
"Jonathan" wrote in message .. . Originally posted in sci.astro by Andrew Yee News Service Washington State University Pullman, Washington Contact: Dirk Schulze-Makuch, WSU School of Earth and Environmental Sciences 509/335-1180 Cherie Winner, WSU News Service 509/335-4846 1/5/2007 NEW ANALYSIS OF VIKING MISSION RESULTS POINTS TO THE PRESENCE OF LIFE ON MARS PULLMAN, Wash. -- We may already have 'met' Martian organisms, according to a paper presented Sunday (Jan. 7) at the meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Seattle. Dirk Schulze-Makuch of Washington State University and Joop Houtkooper of Justus-Liebig-University, Giessen, Germany, argue that even as new missions to Mars seek evidence that the planet might once have supported life, we already have data showing that life exists there now -- data from experiments done by the Viking Mars landers in the late 1970s. "I think the Viking results have been a little bit neglected in the last 10 years or more," said Schulze-Makuch. "But actually, we got a lot of data there." He said recent findings about Earth organisms that live in extreme environments and improvements in our understanding of conditions on Mars give astrobiologists new ways of looking at the 30-year-old data. The researchers hypothesize that Mars is home to microbe-like organisms that use a mixture of water and hydrogen peroxide as their internal fluid. Such a mixture would provide at least three clear benefits to organisms in the cold, dry Martian environment, said Schulze-Makuch. Its freezing point is as low as -56.5 C (depending on the concentration of H2O2); below that temperature it becomes firm but does not form cell-destroying crystals, as water ice does; and H2O2 is hygroscopic, which means it attracts water vapor from the atmosphere -- a valuable trait on a planet where liquid water is rare. Schulze-Makuch said that despite hydrogen peroxide's reputation as a powerful disinfectant, the fluid is also compatible with biological processes if it is accompanied by stabilizing compounds that protect cells from its harmful effects. It performs useful functions inside cells of many terrestrial organisms, including mammals. Some soil microbes tolerate high levels of H2O2 in their surroundings, and the species Acetobacter peroxidans uses hydrogen peroxide in its metabolism. Possibly the most vivid use of hydrogen peroxide by an Earth organism is performed by the bombardier beetle (Brachinus), which produces a solution of 25 percent hydrogen peroxide in water as a defensive spray. The noxious liquid shoots from a special chamber at the beetle's rear end when the beetle is threatened. He said scientists working on the Viking projects weren't looking for organisms that rely on hydrogen peroxide, because at the time nobody was aware that such organisms could exist. The study of extremophiles, organisms that thrive in conditions of extreme temperatures or chemical environments, has just taken off since the 90s, well after the Viking experiments were conducted. The researchers argue that hydrogen peroxide-containing organisms could have produced almost all of the results observed in the Viking experiments. * Hydrogen peroxide is a powerful oxidant. When released from dying cells, it would sharply lower the amount of organic material in their surroundings. This would help explain why Viking's gas chromatograph-mass spectrometer detected no organic compounds on the surface of Mars. This result has also been questioned recently by Rafael Navarro-Gonzalez of the University of Mexico, who reported that similar instruments and methodology are unable to detect organic compounds in places on Earth, such as Antarctic dry valleys, where we know soil microorganisms exist. * The Labeled Release experiment, in which samples of Martian soil (and putative soil organisms) were exposed to water and a nutrient source including radiolabeled carbon, showed rapid production of radiolabeled CO2 which then leveled off. Schulze-Makuch said the initial increase could have been due to metabolism by hydrogen peroxide-containing organisms, and the leveling off could have been due to the organisms dying from exposure to the experimental conditions. He said that point has been argued for years by Gilbert Levin, who was a primary investigator on the original Viking team. The new hypothesis explains why the experimental conditions would have been fatal: microbes using a water-hydrogen peroxide mixture would either "drown" or burst due to water absorption, if suddenly exposed to liquid water. * The possibility that the tests killed the organisms they were looking for is also consistent with the results of the Pyrolytic Release experiment, in which radiolabeled CO2 was converted to organic compounds by samples of Martian soil. Of the seven tests done, three showed significant production of organic substances and one showed much higher production. The variation could simply be due to patchy distribution of microbes, said Schulze-Makuch. Perhaps most interesting was that the sample with the lowest production -- lower even than the control -- had been treated with liquid water. The researchers acknowledge that their hypothesis requires further exploration. "We can be absolutely wrong, and there might not be organisms like that at all," said Schulze-Makuch. "But it's a consistent explanation that would explain the Viking results." He said the Phoenix mission to Mars, which is scheduled for launch in August, 2007, offers a good chance to further explore their hypothesis. Although the mission's experiments were not designed with peroxide-containing organisms in mind, Phoenix will land in a sub-polar area, whose low temperatures and relatively high atmospheric water vapor (from the nearby polar ice caps) should provide better growing conditions for such microbes than the more "tropical" region visited by Viking. Schulze-Makuch said the tests planned for the mission, including the use of two microscopes to examine samples at high magnification, could reveal whether we had the answer all along -- and if we've already introduced ourselves to our Martian neighbors in a harsher way than we intended. "If the hypothesis is true, it would mean that we killed the Martian microbes during our first extraterrestrial contact, by drowning -- due to ignorance," said Schulze-Makuch. All very interesting speculation, but where is the evidence that H2O2 is readily available in the Martian environment for use by 'Martian microbial metabolism', assuming it even exists? Details, Johnathon. Details. George |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
...New Analysis of Viking Mission Results Indicates Presence of Life on Mars (Forwarded)
"George" wrote in message . .. "Jonathan" wrote in message .. . "If the hypothesis is true, it would mean that we killed the Martian microbes during our first extraterrestrial contact, by drowning -- due to ignorance," said Schulze-Makuch. All very interesting speculation, but where is the evidence that H2O2 is readily available in the Martian environment for use by 'Martian microbial metabolism', assuming it even exists? Details, Johnathon. Details. I think the claim is the h2o2 is a byproduct of life. And it's been known to be present on Mars. Normally, it would make life as we know it unlikely. But if the microbial life evolved around h2o2, it would explain why no organic material has been found. It would explain the contradictory viking results. And it would amplify the methane discovery. We'll see what comes of it. A Possible Biogenic Origin for Hydrogen Peroxide on Mars: The Viking Results Reinterpreted http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0610/0610093.pdf Hydrogen peroxide on Mars http://www.obspm.fr/actual/nouvelle/...perox.en.shtml Mars' dust storms may produce peroxide snow BERKELEY http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/r...peroxide.shtml Atreya's team then calculated that the amounts of hydrogen peroxide produced during these reactions would be large enough to result in its condensation—essentially hydrogen peroxide would snow from the sky and contaminate the planet when it fell. Atreya's paper suggests that the hydrogen peroxide would scavenge organic material from Mars, and it could also accelerate the loss of methane on Mars, requiring a larger source to explain the recent detection of this gas on Mars. "Methane is a metabolic byproduct of life as we know it, but presence of methane does not by itself imply existence of life on a planet", said Atreya. http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html...Jul06/r073106a George |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
...New Analysis of Viking Mission Results Indicates Presenceof Life on Mars (Forwarded)
If Martian life thrives on peroxide, does this mean all blondes are
Martians? That might explain A LOT... It also lends food for thought if earth life could survive on Mars, considering the amount of peroxide poured into my cuts in my many decades of life aimed to kill little bugs. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
...New Analysis of Viking Mission Results Indicates Presence of Life on Mars (Forwarded)
A Possible Biogenic Origin for Hydrogen Peroxide on Mars:
The Viking Results Reinterpreted "The utilization of H2O2 is not without some drawbacks. H2O2 decomposes spontaneously, thus an organism needs some mechanism to stabilize the H2O2.... This does not necessarily require chlorophyll, but could involve bacteriorhodopsin embedded in the cell membrane such as in halophilic organisms... However, to date, no suitable UV protection compound has been identified to exist on Mars, perhaps indicating that any such organisms, if they exist, would have to pursue an endolithic lifestyle comparable to the microbes in the Antarctic Dry Valleys" http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0610/0610093.pdf One entry found for endolithic. Function: adjective : living within or penetrating deeply into stony substances (as rocks or coral) endolithic lichens Main Entry: hal·o·phile : an organism that flourishes in a salty environment |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
...New Analysis of Viking Mission Results Indicates Presence of Life on Mars (Forwarded)
"Jo Schaper" jospamnotschaper34@5socket78dot9net wrote in message ... If Martian life thrives on peroxide, does this mean all blondes are Martians? That might explain A LOT... It also lends food for thought if earth life could survive on Mars, considering the amount of peroxide poured into my cuts in my many decades of life aimed to kill little bugs. I think that the ...first life.. on earth could exist on mars. Sulfate loving anerobic microbes that leave a lot of iron deposits behind. "Despite comparatively intense bombardment by large impactors, chemical and radio-isotopic trace evidence of what appears to be biologically processed carbon in Earth's oldest surviving rocks -- from western Greenland's Isua greenstone belt that are as old as 3.85 billion years -- suggest that self-replicating, carbon-based microbial life became well developed during Earth's first billion years of existence. Some single-celled microbial life lacking a nucleus that segregates their internal DNA or RNA ("prokaryotes") from the surrounding cytoplasm may have flourished in darkness within cracks in Earth's seafloor crust and around deep, boiling hot ocean springs (known as volcanic vents or "black smokers") without a need for light or free oxygen in the oceans or atmosphere. Adapted to their very hot but watery enviroment, these microbes metabolized hydrogen-rich compounds or dead or live organic materials to derive the energy that sustains anaerobic life, including sulfate-reducing bacteria that produce Hydrogen Sulfide (H2S), fermentative bacteria that produce carbon dioxide and alcohol (-OH), and methanogenic bacteria -- the methanogens found in sewage and mudflats today -- that produce methane (CH4) gas as a waste product." http://www.solstation.com/life.htm |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
...New Analysis of Viking Mission Results Indicates Presence of Life on Mars (Forwarded)
"Jonathan" wrote in message .. . "George" wrote in message . .. "Jonathan" wrote in message .. . "If the hypothesis is true, it would mean that we killed the Martian microbes during our first extraterrestrial contact, by drowning -- due to ignorance," said Schulze-Makuch. All very interesting speculation, but where is the evidence that H2O2 is readily available in the Martian environment for use by 'Martian microbial metabolism', assuming it even exists? Details, Johnathon. Details. I think the claim is the h2o2 is a byproduct of life. Wrong: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16516952/from/RS.4/ "In the ’70s, the Viking mission found no signs of life. But it was looking for Earthlike life, in which salt water is the internal liquid of living cells. Given the cold dry conditions of Mars, that life could have evolved on Mars with the key internal fluid consisting of a mix of water and hydrogen peroxide, said Dirk Schulze-Makuch, author of the new research. That’s because a water-hydrogen peroxide mix stays liquid at very low temperatures (68 degrees below zero Fahrenheit, or -56 degrees Celsius), doesn’t destroy cells when it freezes, and can suck scarce water vapor out of the air." If microbes exist on Mars and are using H2O2, then there would be a preponderence of H2O2 in the Martian atmosphere. Naturally, a look at the martian atmosphere fails to find such a preponderence of H2O2. George |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
...New Analysis of Viking Mission Results Indicates Presenceof Life on Mars (Forwarded)
George wrote:
If microbes exist on Mars and are using H2O2, then there would be a preponderence of H2O2 in the Martian atmosphere. Naturally, a look at the martian atmosphere fails to find such a preponderence of H2O2. The planet is in its death throes, George, and hydrogen peroxide decomposes catalytically in short order. -- The Tsiolkovsky Group : http://www.lifeform.org My Planetary BLOB : http://cosmic.lifeform.org Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator : http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
...New Analysis of Viking Mission Results Indicates Presence of Life on Mars (Forwarded) | Jonathan | Policy | 48 | January 15th 07 01:45 AM |
Viking missed life on Mars? | Pat Flannery | History | 2 | October 24th 06 04:41 PM |
Mars-Like Atacama Desert Could Explain Viking 'No Life' Results | Ron Baalke | Science | 1 | November 30th 03 09:57 PM |