Religion is an atrocity

This post will be about the atrocity otherwise known as religion.
Notice that how the learning process works also proves that all
religions are brainwashing cults. No one is born with religious
beliefs, they get programmed by them and terrorized by the asshole
cult leaders into them. The world would be a much, much better place
without religion and the ignorance that stems from it. This is another
compilation of posts and e-mails that I wrote previously.

First off, the "sub-conscious" is nothing more than something that has
been learned by someone, (or in some cases programmed into someone),
that they don't have to think about (consciously try) to accomplish.
Things like heartbeat, breathing, walking (once learned and provided
no injuries happen to necessitate re-learning), reading, etc. However,
the brain functions relating to these activities still occur, i.e.
your heart will not beat without the electrical impulses from your
brain (the few beats that may occur due to habituation of muscle
contraction sometimes occur, but will cease after a couple). As the
brain and nervous systems develop (read about DNA, which is nothing
more than a chain of elements, on your own), which said development
being chemical interactions between elements and what supplies the
electrical impulses to the nervous system as a sort of kick start.
This is also when the development of a defense mechanism against
interference waveforms starts, if it didn't then the fetus would be
nothing more than a part of the same organism as the mother. The
mother's womb is basically a life support system or extra-venous
feeding tube supplying elements for the chemical interactions to
occur. The 'kicking' or movement of the fetus inside the womb is the
fetus's nervous system developing and an electrical impulse or
impulses reaching the muscle system causing a reaction and can also be
a response to an external stimulus (or sensory input) reaching the
fetus. At birth a child's brain starts receiving and processing other
sensory input in response to external stimuli. Crawling and walking
are things that are learned, usually aided by visual stimuli of seeing
someone or something else moving and trying to mimic them or it, but
once learned and repeated don't have to be thought out to
accomplished. Talking would be an example of both sub-conscious and
conscious processes. Once someone learns how to pronounce or say the
words then they don't have to consciously think about doing so,
however someone can consciously think about what words to use or if
that someone chooses to respond with words or not. A child can learn
to mimic words before it learns either their definitions or their
spelling. This happens due to the child's brain comparing (or
correlating) the auditory evoked potentials that occur from it hearing
itself to the auditory evoked potentials that occur from hearing what
the child is trying to mimic or imitate. (This is also how an
impressionist would learn to imitate others). This would also be how
someone learns to think to themselves which IS unvoiced speech. The
brain correlates all evoked potentials from sensory inputs. Also a
child may learn the meaning, to a certain extent, of some simplistic
words before learning to spell or read through what is known as
conditioned response. In other words, if said child makes a certain
sound then a certain effect may happen. For example, the child yells
"ma" or "mom" and someone responds then the child will associate one
with the other. So if its mother responds then the child associates
the two, but by the same effect if said child yelled "ma" or "mom" and
the father responds this would then be what the child will associate
with said noise until taught the definitions of the words. By
associate I mean this is the set of evoked potentials through sensory
input (whether an auditory, visual or other response was made) that
the child's brain will correlate with the evoked potentials from the
sound that it made. If the child could actually think the words to
make this association, then said child would also be able to say the
words and would also know what the words meant.

Emotions come from how someone perceives an external stimulus, or how
they have been programmed to perceive said stimulus. A simple "No" may
cause a child, or in some cases an adult, to become angry or sad when
in fact it may have been very beneficial, i.e. reaching for something
on the stove, grabbing for a sharp object, etc. This is also from the
conditioned response thing where the child's brain has already
associated reaching for something with getting it especially in a
child where the definitions of various objects or what they do has not
yet been learned. Fear would be an emotion that can be caused by an
absence of external stimuli, however this only happens when external
stimuli have been present before. Once someone has learned how to
think to themselves or how to visualize something in their brain,
(which also happens due to the association of evoked potentials that
occur in someone's brain to various external stimuli), then this can
sometimes also be a way for a person to change their emotions. This
however is also causing an emotion in response to a stimulus. Again,
neither thoughts nor emotions transfer by any kind of brain
projection. A couple of examples: Someone you enjoy seeing or talking
to arrives where you are or phones you. This stimulus in turn evokes
potentials in your brain which your brain associates with pleasant
emotions. At which point you become happy or glad, however this person
is in a bad mood or as some call it a 'negative' emotional state. You
are happy, they are not. This person then tells you why they are not
happy which in turn changes your emotional state in response to the
evoked potentials from the external stimulus (the other person's
story). The emotional change occurring due to the association of your
brain with the evoked potentials from the story or due to the evoked
potentials from the stimulus of seeing someone that is usually
associated with good emotions not in a good mood. This would also
apply if say someone that you don't like enters wherever you are. You
were in a good mood, but in response to said stimulus (the person
entering) and the processes mentioned above an emotional change
occurs. Even if the person you don't like is in a very good mood. This
would also be why a scenario like the one just mentioned can cause a
brief emotional response to just the person entering while not
changing someone's entire mood.

I will start this section of this post with 3 definitions from The New
Lexicon Webster's Dictionary of the English Language.
#1 - Cult; A system of religious worship// admiration of or devotion
to, a person or thing especially as a form of intellectual snobbery//
A passing craze or fashion// a creed or sect.
Comment: This means all systems of religion, not just ones that you
(general term meaning everyone) don't happen to be a member of
regardless of their size or the extent of their brainwashing or mind
control.
#2 - Terror; great fear.
#3 - Terrorism; The policy of using acts inspiring terror as a method
of ruling or of conducting political opposition.
Comment: Which would include the use of things like eternal damnation
and the like. This applies to all ends of the religious spectrum.
Having stated that, I would prefer not to have my name associated with
any religion or political party for that matter.
Religion - Where to start? As already present creatures or organisms
mutated and evolved into thee predecessors of modern humankind, since
these early people's brains were not as evolved, they were unable to
explain why things occurred. Basic things like why the sun came up,
why the wind blew, why rain or snow fell, etc. Which in turn led to
fears of these things. During this time survival often depended on
being the strongest, biggest or from being able to cause fear in your
competitors. As time passed, some people started learning that the sun
came up close to a certain time frame every day, snow came at a
certain time of year, rain fell after certain clouds appeared, eating
certain things could kill someone, etc. These people used the fears
of such things to gain power. And to create more fear, they came up
with beings known as gods. To these gods they attributed everything
and they sometimes had a god for every different thing. After all the
more gods, the more others had to fear. (As with modern religions,
they would kill, imprison or discredit others in order to keep their
power.) They manipulated people to get them to think that they were
somehow close to whatever god. They created a place, as a reward, for
people to go after death if they obeyed them and blindly followed
what they said. They also created a place or a type of punishment for
those that did not obey or follow them after death. They started the
myth known as a soul so that they could use the fears that stemmed
from an afterlife. The people doing this also learned that by keeping
others ignorant it was much easier to control them through their own
fears. ( an example from more modern religion; saying the earth was
flat and if you strayed to far you would fall off. This is an attempt
to get others to be afraid to go very far from the power structure of
the cult to keep them from learning anything other than what they put
forth to pass as knowledge.) Anyway, soon they learned that one person
couldn't watch everyone to stop the acquisition of knowledge, so they
enlarged their cults and brought others in on their schemes. Often
giving them the power that came with representing different
gods/goddesses, if they agreed to keep what knowledge they had amongst
themselves. (Which in later religions translates into different
areas.) This often led to cults within cults and sometimes to
disagreements resulting in offshoot cults arising, still using the
same ways to gain power. They also came up with various rituals to be
performed regularly. (Repetition for mind control.) They told people
to bring their children to the rituals as soon as possible so as to
receive their gods/goddesses blessings or so as not to anger them.
They soon discovered that their brainwashing was much easier the
earlier in someone's development that they started. Or if you prefer,
that it was much easier to control the mind of an adult if they got to
them as a child. (Still very much in practice today by all religions
and has spread to other areas of society as well.) They came up with
the ideas for sacrifices or donations to gain favor with their gods or
god. They started wars, more people to control and to make sacrifices
and donations. As societies, cultures, empires and countries came and
went, the names of the various gods/goddesses changed, the amount of
gods/goddesses changed and the stories or myths were altered, or new
ones created, to fit each new religion. For instance, several times in
an ancient religion, a god named Zeus changed form and descended from
the heavens to impregnate women. (A myth which in turn came from
previous religious fables) The children of these women often were
considered demi-gods or heroes and fables sprang up about them. They
often would also become martyrs or pawns of their various cults. Some
even started their own cults and they were also often worshipped. So
the myth of Christ wasn't exactly a new idea, nor would it be beyond
religion to embellish on or cover up facts to keep or gain power.
(The psychotronic weaponry may be somewhat new, but the idea of
gaining power through mind control is very, very old.)
As for the satanic-military or the satanic-pedophilia ties that
I have come across on numerous web sites pertaining to mind control,
yes it is possible that said people worship satan. Satanism is also a
system of religious worship. History, even very modern history, also
shows that the god-military and god-pedophilia ties have been around
for a long, long time. And if it weren't for the myth of god, then the
myth of satan would not exist.
There is no doubt that religions vary somewhat from one to the
next, however one theme remains the same: Here is the religious
doctrine - Think it, Breathe it, Live it and Obey it or else. In other
words MIND CONTROL.

That said the following is a brief list of various things and
a brief explanation of how they stem from religious belief systems
(cults) or are caused by religious belief systems.
(I originally entitled this section; Religion is a mind f**k - meaning
it f**ks over your mind.)

#1 Magic - Creationism (enough said)

#2 UFO's - Goes back to several mythologies (religions, cults) where
anything they
couldn't identify (flying type objects) was labeled as some sort of
god or attributed to one. Also stems from various mythologies
(religions, cults) fables of gods or their accomplices arriving on
flying horses or in chariots or this that or the other type of vehicle
or flying animal.

#3 Extra dimensions (parallel type scenarios) - Well when religions
(cults) ran out of
places for their gods/goddesses to live and their afterlife scenarios
to exist, they had to come up with something.

#4 Time travel - Way too many references in mythologies (religions,
cults) to list, but a
given to many gods/goddesses. Also stems from the way humans measure
time.

#5 Telepathy (without technology) - Pretty much prevalent in all
mythologies (religions,
cults). Silent prayer (a religious ritual abuse) would be telepathy.
How many religions (cults) still use the old "their particular
supernatural entity (god) spoke to them or came to them in a way that
only they could hear or see?

#6 Telekinesis (not the technology definition) - Almost every
supernatural entity (god,
demigod, goddess) in every mythology (religion, cult) has been
attributed the 'power' to move things with a thought. Also the 'power'
to create or destroy objects with a simple thought.

#7 Teleportation - Another 'power' attributed to most supernatural
entities (gods/goddesses) and even to some humans (through magic) in
almost every mythology (religion, cult) .

#8 Levitation - Often mistaken for flight, which again is attributed
to many supernatural
entities (gods/goddesses) throughout various mythologies (religions
cults).

#9 Transmorgrification (shape shifting) - Probably actually stems from
people wearing
various hides as clothing, but has been adapted (twisted to fit)
almost every mythology (religion, cult). And has often been used to
represent 'evil' entities or beings when the people wearing the hides
were not part of the particular cult (religion, mythology)
representing it as such. Also see reference to Zeus above.

#10 Alchemy (as relating to magic) - Quite a few references in various
mythologies
(religions, cults) to various supernatural entities being able to
alter the composition of things, including humans, into other
substances. Midas touch, pillar of salt and Medusa turning people to
stone for a few examples.

#11 Astrology - Referred to in most mythologies ( religions, cults),
usually as some sort
Astronomy twisted to fit into a particular mythological (religious,
cult) system of beliefs. Has since become pretty much a religion
(cult) by itself.

#12 Psychiatry and Psychology - Religion is the original psychological
warfare
operation. Throughout history people have been deemed mentally ill for
speaking out against mythologies (religions, cults). Note the irony.
Lobotomies were first performed under the guise of religion.

#13 Pedophilism - May have other origins, but has been a part of most
mythologies (religions, cults) throughout history. Usually
incorporated as some sort of rite or ritual or practiced by said
members and followers. The word originated from a rite in a Roman
religious ritual abuse, but it took place before (and still does)
under different names, virgin sacrifices, arranged child marriages,
etc)

#14 Delusions of Grandeur - Built into every mythology 9religion,
cult) that claims only
its' followers will go to heaven (or whatever name they give it ) or
achieve a higher plane of existence. Also stems from the belief of a
soul and that people are somehow more than mortal. It is also why it
is so easy to use religion to get people to go to war or to look the
other way when atrocities are being committed especially when
committed on members of other religions or cults or against people
with no religious beliefs. Slavery, torture, etc. Has a tendency to
lead to racism.

#15 Paranoia - Some sort of religious or cult entity is always
watching or waiting to take
over. Ever wonder where the idea for 'big brother' came from? Often
used to create fears in order to prey off of them.

#16 Multiple Personality Disorder - Duality. Constant struggle between
'good' and 'evil' inside everyone. It is probably a case of
transference. Has been a trait of several entities in various
mythologies (religions, cults). Sometimes even called a 'power' or
ability.

#17 Sexism - See delusions of grandeur above. Built into most
mythologies (religions,
cults) as either a male god or a male god as head of the set of gods.
Also applies to the Amazonian type scenario.

#18 Hallucinations - Visions and the like. Prevalent in many, if not
all, mythologies
(religions, cults). Various mythologies (religions, cults) have used
drugs (psychotropic or psychoactive) or starvation to aid in causing
them. This includes near-death type 'experiences'. They stem from
whatever a particular mythology (religion, cult) programs into its'
followers that they should see when taking part in a particular ritual
abuse. The fear of reprisal or punishment or banishment if not seen
also aids in this. Where there have been various choices of visions,
the hallucination will be the one that the person most wants to see.
Basically mind ****ing themselves. (This would be the same for curses
and the like also).

Mythology is basically taking a natural occurrence and attributing it
to a supernatural
entity or creating one to explain it. See above. However the so-called
'powers' usually stem from the "My god is more powerful than yours"
type of childish gibberish. Which also plays a part in the delusions
of grandeur mentioned above.

Those not under attack by the psychotronic weaponry, if reading this
or certain words in it 'trigger' a response, that is another part of
religious programming. Religions (mythologies, cults) have been doing
this since way before the Pavlov or ' Manchurian Candidate'
experiments were done.

Those under attack by the psychotronic weaponry, reading this may
cause a specific torture technique to start by the attackers. Could
range from words to phrases to images to mood manipulation to pain
attacks. This may also be a combination of the attacks to amplify
pre-existing religious programming in order for the attackers to prey
upon what religion has already done.

Death to psychotronic weaponry. Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling
Jr.

I haven't read much of what you said here, but I'd like make two comments:

* I can relate to some of the things you're saying here, but
* Hardly any of this is even peripherally related to the Science of
Astronomy.

I really don't think you should post it on sci.astro. Not because I
find anything about it (what little I've read of it anyway) to be
offensive, but just simply because this is not the right forum for it.

In other words, just because we can't get ... Alexa or Brooke or
whatever her name is ... to stop babbling about off-topic stuff, do you
think the rest of us could try to stay on-topic?

Thanks.

(Gag, I hate it when Netscape 7 mal-formats ASCII-text messages.
Hopefully this time it'll come out correctly formatted.)

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I haven't read much of what you said here, but I'd like make two comments:

* I can relate to some of the things you're saying here, but
* Hardly any of this is even peripherally related to the Science of
Astronomy.

I really don't think you should post it on sci.astro. Not because I
find anything about it (what little I've read of it anyway) to be
offensive, but just simply because this is not the right forum for it.

In other words, just because we can't get ... Alexa or Brooke or
whatever her name is ... to stop babbling about off-topic stuff, do you
think the rest of us could try to stay on-topic?

Thanks.

Yes, I realize that it is somewhat off topic in this particular group. I mostly
posted it to show that I was not a 'space cadet' no pun intended. I post about
a very real atrocity and don't particulary want to be associated with
everything some others include with it. If you search for my name or the
subject lines of my posts you will see that I encounter quite a bit of
ignorance. Technically the psychotronic posts may also be a little off-topic,
but due to recent satellite projects, which have little basis in reality (see
light sail, gravitational microlensing, etc), it does seem to suggest an
attempt to put electromagnetic weapons in space. Whether they would be used as
a form of psychotronic weaponry or not. I do hope that all in this group will
take the time to read the information that I posted in its entirety. Including
the religion post.

Death to psychotronic weaponry. Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling Jr.

P.S. If anyone wonders why I posted under two different e-mail addresses and
their subsequent names it is because google won't let me post anymore. I hope
their stock is worthless. That is also why it is know in three parts instead of
one, because aol's newsreader won't post it in one.

Actually, religion is a mental disorder....
Orion

"Vierlingj" wrote in message
...
This post will be about the atrocity otherwise known as religion.
Notice that how the learning process works also proves that all
religions are brainwashing cults. No one is born with religious
beliefs, they get programmed by them and terrorized by the asshole
cult leaders into them. The world would be a much, much better place
without religion and the ignorance that stems from it. This is another
compilation of posts and e-mails that I wrote previously.

First off, the "sub-conscious" is nothing more than something that has
been learned by someone, (or in some cases programmed into someone),
that they don't have to think about (consciously try) to accomplish.
Things like heartbeat, breathing, walking (once learned and provided
no injuries happen to necessitate re-learning), reading, etc. However,
the brain functions relating to these activities still occur, i.e.
your heart will not beat without the electrical impulses from your
brain (the few beats that may occur due to habituation of muscle
contraction sometimes occur, but will cease after a couple). As the
brain and nervous systems develop (read about DNA, which is nothing
more than a chain of elements, on your own), which said development
being chemical interactions between elements and what supplies the
electrical impulses to the nervous system as a sort of kick start.
This is also when the development of a defense mechanism against
interference waveforms starts, if it didn't then the fetus would be
nothing more than a part of the same organism as the mother. The
mother's womb is basically a life support system or extra-venous
feeding tube supplying elements for the chemical interactions to
occur. The 'kicking' or movement of the fetus inside the womb is the
fetus's nervous system developing and an electrical impulse or
impulses reaching the muscle system causing a reaction and can also be
a response to an external stimulus (or sensory input) reaching the
fetus. At birth a child's brain starts receiving and processing other
sensory input in response to external stimuli. Crawling and walking
are things that are learned, usually aided by visual stimuli of seeing
someone or something else moving and trying to mimic them or it, but
once learned and repeated don't have to be thought out to
accomplished. Talking would be an example of both sub-conscious and
conscious processes. Once someone learns how to pronounce or say the
words then they don't have to consciously think about doing so,
however someone can consciously think about what words to use or if
that someone chooses to respond with words or not. A child can learn
to mimic words before it learns either their definitions or their
spelling. This happens due to the child's brain comparing (or
correlating) the auditory evoked potentials that occur from it hearing
itself to the auditory evoked potentials that occur from hearing what
the child is trying to mimic or imitate. (This is also how an
impressionist would learn to imitate others). This would also be how
someone learns to think to themselves which IS unvoiced speech. The
brain correlates all evoked potentials from sensory inputs. Also a
child may learn the meaning, to a certain extent, of some simplistic
words before learning to spell or read through what is known as
conditioned response. In other words, if said child makes a certain
sound then a certain effect may happen. For example, the child yells
"ma" or "mom" and someone responds then the child will associate one
with the other. So if its mother responds then the child associates
the two, but by the same effect if said child yelled "ma" or "mom" and
the father responds this would then be what the child will associate
with said noise until taught the definitions of the words. By
associate I mean this is the set of evoked potentials through sensory
input (whether an auditory, visual or other response was made) that
the child's brain will correlate with the evoked potentials from the
sound that it made. If the child could actually think the words to
make this association, then said child would also be able to say the
words and would also know what the words meant.

Emotions come from how someone perceives an external stimulus, or how
they have been programmed to perceive said stimulus. A simple "No" may
cause a child, or in some cases an adult, to become angry or sad when
in fact it may have been very beneficial, i.e. reaching for something
on the stove, grabbing for a sharp object, etc. This is also from the
conditioned response thing where the child's brain has already
associated reaching for something with getting it especially in a
child where the definitions of various objects or what they do has not
yet been learned. Fear would be an emotion that can be caused by an
absence of external stimuli, however this only happens when external
stimuli have been present before. Once someone has learned how to
think to themselves or how to visualize something in their brain,
(which also happens due to the association of evoked potentials that
occur in someone's brain to various external stimuli), then this can
sometimes also be a way for a person to change their emotions. This
however is also causing an emotion in response to a stimulus. Again,
neither thoughts nor emotions transfer by any kind of brain
projection. A couple of examples: Someone you enjoy seeing or talking
to arrives where you are or phones you. This stimulus in turn evokes
potentials in your brain which your brain associates with pleasant
emotions. At which point you become happy or glad, however this person
is in a bad mood or as some call it a 'negative' emotional state. You
are happy, they are not. This person then tells you why they are not
happy which in turn changes your emotional state in response to the
evoked potentials from the external stimulus (the other person's
story). The emotional change occurring due to the association of your
brain with the evoked potentials from the story or due to the evoked
potentials from the stimulus of seeing someone that is usually
associated with good emotions not in a good mood. This would also
apply if say someone that you don't like enters wherever you are. You
were in a good mood, but in response to said stimulus (the person
entering) and the processes mentioned above an emotional change
occurs. Even if the person you don't like is in a very good mood. This
would also be why a scenario like the one just mentioned can cause a
brief emotional response to just the person entering while not
changing someone's entire mood.

I will start this section of this post with 3 definitions from The New
Lexicon Webster's Dictionary of the English Language.
#1 - Cult; A system of religious worship// admiration of or devotion
to, a person or thing especially as a form of intellectual snobbery//
A passing craze or fashion// a creed or sect.
Comment: This means all systems of religion, not just ones that you
(general term meaning everyone) don't happen to be a member of
regardless of their size or the extent of their brainwashing or mind
control.
#2 - Terror; great fear.
#3 - Terrorism; The policy of using acts inspiring terror as a method
of ruling or of conducting political opposition.
Comment: Which would include the use of things like eternal damnation
and the like. This applies to all ends of the religious spectrum.
Having stated that, I would prefer not to have my name associated with
any religion or political party for that matter.
Religion - Where to start? As already present creatures or organisms
mutated and evolved into thee predecessors of modern humankind, since
these early people's brains were not as evolved, they were unable to
explain why things occurred. Basic things like why the sun came up,
why the wind blew, why rain or snow fell, etc. Which in turn led to
fears of these things. During this time survival often depended on
being the strongest, biggest or from being able to cause fear in your
competitors. As time passed, some people started learning that the sun
came up close to a certain time frame every day, snow came at a
certain time of year, rain fell after certain clouds appeared, eating
certain things could kill someone, etc. These people used the fears
of such things to gain power. And to create more fear, they came up
with beings known as gods. To these gods they attributed everything
and they sometimes had a god for every different thing. After all the
more gods, the more others had to fear. (As with modern religions,
they would kill, imprison or discredit others in order to keep their
power.) They manipulated people to get them to think that they were
somehow close to whatever god. They created a place, as a reward, for
people to go after death if they obeyed them and blindly followed
what they said. They also created a place or a type of punishment for
those that did not obey or follow them after death. They started the
myth known as a soul so that they could use the fears that stemmed
from an afterlife. The people doing this also learned that by keeping
others ignorant it was much easier to control them through their own
fears. ( an example from more modern religion; saying the earth was
flat and if you strayed to far you would fall off. This is an attempt
to get others to be afraid to go very far from the power structure of
the cult to keep them from learning anything other than what they put
forth to pass as knowledge.) Anyway, soon they learned that one person
couldn't watch everyone to stop the acquisition of knowledge, so they
enlarged their cults and brought others in on their schemes. Often
giving them the power that came with representing different
gods/goddesses, if they agreed to keep what knowledge they had amongst
themselves. (Which in later religions translates into different
areas.) This often led to cults within cults and sometimes to
disagreements resulting in offshoot cults arising, still using the
same ways to gain power. They also came up with various rituals to be
performed regularly. (Repetition for mind control.) They told people
to bring their children to the rituals as soon as possible so as to
receive their gods/goddesses blessings or so as not to anger them.
They soon discovered that their brainwashing was much easier the
earlier in someone's development that they started. Or if you prefer,
that it was much easier to control the mind of an adult if they got to
them as a child. (Still very much in practice today by all religions
and has spread to other areas of society as well.) They came up with
the ideas for sacrifices or donations to gain favor with their gods or
god. They started wars, more people to control and to make sacrifices
and donations. As societies, cultures, empires and countries came and
went, the names of the various gods/goddesses changed, the amount of
gods/goddesses changed and the stories or myths were altered, or new
ones created, to fit each new religion. For instance, several times in
an ancient religion, a god named Zeus changed form and descended from
the heavens to impregnate women. (A myth which in turn came from
previous religious fables) The children of these women often were
considered demi-gods or heroes and fables sprang up about them. They
often would also become martyrs or pawns of their various cults. Some
even started their own cults and they were also often worshipped. So
the myth of Christ wasn't exactly a new idea, nor would it be beyond
religion to embellish on or cover up facts to keep or gain power.
(The psychotronic weaponry may be somewhat new, but the idea of
gaining power through mind control is very, very old.)
As for the satanic-military or the satanic-pedophilia ties that
I have come across on numerous web sites pertaining to mind control,
yes it is possible that said people worship satan. Satanism is also a
system of religious worship. History, even very modern history, also
shows that the god-military and god-pedophilia ties have been around
for a long, long time. And if it weren't for the myth of god, then the
myth of satan would not exist.
There is no doubt that religions vary somewhat from one to the
next, however one theme remains the same: Here is the religious
doctrine - Think it, Breathe it, Live it and Obey it or else. In other
words MIND CONTROL.

That said the following is a brief list of various things and
a brief explanation of how they stem from religious belief systems
(cults) or are caused by religious belief systems.
(I originally entitled this section; Religion is a mind f**k - meaning
it f**ks over your mind.)

#1 Magic - Creationism (enough said)

#2 UFO's - Goes back to several mythologies (religions, cults) where
anything they
couldn't identify (flying type objects) was labeled as some sort of
god or attributed to one. Also stems from various mythologies
(religions, cults) fables of gods or their accomplices arriving on
flying horses or in chariots or this that or the other type of vehicle
or flying animal.

#3 Extra dimensions (parallel type scenarios) - Well when religions
(cults) ran out of
places for their gods/goddesses to live and their afterlife scenarios
to exist, they had to come up with something.

#4 Time travel - Way too many references in mythologies (religions,
cults) to list, but a
given to many gods/goddesses. Also stems from the way humans measure
time.

#5 Telepathy (without technology) - Pretty much prevalent in all
mythologies (religions,
cults). Silent prayer (a religious ritual abuse) would be telepathy.
How many religions (cults) still use the old "their particular
supernatural entity (god) spoke to them or came to them in a way that
only they could hear or see?

#6 Telekinesis (not the technology definition) - Almost every
supernatural entity (god,
demigod, goddess) in every mythology (religion, cult) has been
attributed the 'power' to move things with a thought. Also the 'power'
to create or destroy objects with a simple thought.

#7 Teleportation - Another 'power' attributed to most supernatural
entities (gods/goddesses) and even to some humans (through magic) in
almost every mythology (religion, cult) .

#8 Levitation - Often mistaken for flight, which again is attributed
to many supernatural
entities (gods/goddesses) throughout various mythologies (religions
cults).

#9 Transmorgrification (shape shifting) - Probably actually stems from
people wearing
various hides as clothing, but has been adapted (twisted to fit)
almost every mythology (religion, cult). And has often been used to
represent 'evil' entities or beings when the people wearing the hides
were not part of the particular cult (religion, mythology)
representing it as such. Also see reference to Zeus above.

#10 Alchemy (as relating to magic) - Quite a few references in various
mythologies
(religions, cults) to various supernatural entities being able to
alter the composition of things, including humans, into other
substances. Midas touch, pillar of salt and Medusa turning people to
stone for a few examples.

#11 Astrology - Referred to in most mythologies ( religions, cults),
usually as some sort
Astronomy twisted to fit into a particular mythological (religious,
cult) system of beliefs. Has since become pretty much a religion
(cult) by itself.

#12 Psychiatry and Psychology - Religion is the original psychological
warfare
operation. Throughout history people have been deemed mentally ill for
speaking out against mythologies (religions, cults). Note the irony.
Lobotomies were first performed under the guise of religion.

#13 Pedophilism - May have other origins, but has been a part of most
mythologies (religions, cults) throughout history. Usually
incorporated as some sort of rite or ritual or practiced by said
members and followers. The word originated from a rite in a Roman
religious ritual abuse, but it took place before (and still does)
under different names, virgin sacrifices, arranged child marriages,
etc)

#14 Delusions of Grandeur - Built into every mythology 9religion,
cult) that claims only
its' followers will go to heaven (or whatever name they give it ) or
achieve a higher plane of existence. Also stems from the belief of a
soul and that people are somehow more than mortal. It is also why it
is so easy to use religion to get people to go to war or to look the
other way when atrocities are being committed especially when
committed on members of other religions or cults or against people
with no religious beliefs. Slavery, torture, etc. Has a tendency to
lead to racism.

#15 Paranoia - Some sort of religious or cult entity is always
watching or waiting to take
over. Ever wonder where the idea for 'big brother' came from? Often
used to create fears in order to prey off of them.

#16 Multiple Personality Disorder - Duality. Constant struggle between
'good' and 'evil' inside everyone. It is probably a case of
transference. Has been a trait of several entities in various
mythologies (religions, cults). Sometimes even called a 'power' or
ability.

#17 Sexism - See delusions of grandeur above. Built into most
mythologies (religions,
cults) as either a male god or a male god as head of the set of gods.
Also applies to the Amazonian type scenario.

#18 Hallucinations - Visions and the like. Prevalent in many, if not
all, mythologies
(religions, cults). Various mythologies (religions, cults) have used
drugs (psychotropic or psychoactive) or starvation to aid in causing
them. This includes near-death type 'experiences'. They stem from
whatever a particular mythology (religion, cult) programs into its'
followers that they should see when taking part in a particular ritual
abuse. The fear of reprisal or punishment or banishment if not seen
also aids in this. Where there have been various choices of visions,
the hallucination will be the one that the person most wants to see.
Basically mind ****ing themselves. (This would be the same for curses
and the like also).

Mythology is basically taking a natural occurrence and attributing it
to a supernatural
entity or creating one to explain it. See above. However the so-called
'powers' usually stem from the "My god is more powerful than yours"
type of childish gibberish. Which also plays a part in the delusions
of grandeur mentioned above.

Those not under attack by the psychotronic weaponry, if reading this
or certain words in it 'trigger' a response, that is another part of
religious programming. Religions (mythologies, cults) have been doing
this since way before the Pavlov or ' Manchurian Candidate'
experiments were done.

Those under attack by the psychotronic weaponry, reading this may
cause a specific torture technique to start by the attackers. Could
range from words to phrases to images to mood manipulation to pain
attacks. This may also be a combination of the attacks to amplify
pre-existing religious programming in order for the attackers to prey
upon what religion has already done.

Death to psychotronic weaponry. Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling
Jr.




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Vierlingj wrote:
... Also a
child may learn the meaning, to a certain extent, of some simplistic
words before learning to spell or read through what is known as
conditioned response. In other words, if said child makes a certain
sound then a certain effect may happen. For example, the child yells
"ma" or "mom" and someone responds then the child will associate one
with the other. So if its mother responds then the child associates
the two, but by the same effect if said child yelled "ma" or "mom" and
the father responds this would then be what the child will associate
with said noise until taught the definitions of the words. By
associate I mean this is the set of evoked potentials through sensory
input (whether an auditory, visual or other response was made) that
the child's brain will correlate with the evoked potentials from the
sound that it made. If the child could actually think the words to
make this association, then said child would also be able to say the
words and would also know what the words meant.

I got this far and decided the rest of the msg was not worth reading.
The ideas you describe above were propounded by B.F. Skinner in the
1950s, and thoroughly demolished by Noam Chomsky in a well-known review
in 1959. No one has looked at language in the same way since.

Before you spout off about how the world works, you might want to look
at what others have said.

Mike Maxwell

Well I would suggest that you use common sense. The following is an excerpt
from a biography page of Mr Chomsky. The page is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky. Here is the excerpt -

"Chomsky's critique of Skinner's methodology and basic assumptions paved the
way for a revolution against the behaviorist doctrine that had governed
psychology. In his 1966 Cartesian Linguistics and subsequent works, Chomsky
laid out an explanation of human language faculties that has become the model
for investigation in other areas of psychology. Much of the present conception
of how the mind works draws directly from ideas that found their first
persuasive author of modern times in Chomsky.

There are three key ideas. First, is that the mind is "cognitive", or that the
mind actually contains mental states, beliefs, doubts, and so on. The former
view had denied even this, arguing that there were only "stimulus-response"
relationships like "If you ask me if I want X, I will say yes". By contrast,
Chomsky showed that the common way of understanding the mind, as having things
like beliefs and even unconscious mental states, had to be right. Second, he
argued that large parts of what the adult mind can do are "innate". While no
child is born automatically able to speak a language, all are born with a
powerful language learning ability which allows them to soak up several
languages very quickly in their early years. Subsequent psychologists have
extended this thesis far beyond language; the mind is no longer considered a
"blank slate" at birth."

I will address the three key ideas part. This is absolute nonsense. No one is
born with any religious beliefs or other beliefs. To say this is to say that a
newborn has understanding of those beliefs. Some examples for you to consider.

Example 1. A child is born and immediately adopted. This child is then told
that its adoptive parents are its biological parents. The child will not no the
difference unless otherwise explained at a later date when the child has enough
comprehension of the language it is explained in to understand what it has been
told. The child may believe this its entire life. In effect the child has been
brainwashed into believing this.

Example 2. A child is born to an English only speaking couple. This child is
immediately adopted by parents that only speak Russian, Japanese, Chinese, etc.
In an area where only that language is spoken. The child won't automatically
speak English, it will learn to speak the language that it is exposed to. Said
child unless exposed to English would never speak it or be able to understand
someone else speaking it. Unless their are similarities or hand movement signs.


Example 3. Two Hispanic couples have a child. Couple 1 refuses to speak Spanish
in the home and only speaks English. This couple lives in an area where no one
speaks Spanish. The child will not automatically be able to speak Spanish.
Couple 2 speaks only spanish at home but the child goes to a school where
English is taught. The child will be able to speak both as it has been exposed
to both.

Example 4. A child is born and is never exposed to any language. This child
will not speak any language. Instead it would be limited to grunts and groans
or to imitating the sounds that it has been exposed to in the form of sensory
input.

The powerful learning ability is called a brain. Said brain would be useless if
it were not for the rest of the nervous system. Do you really think that you
would be able to do anything without input sensory stimuli? What? Without any
of your senses you wouldn't be able to see, hear, touch, taste or smell. What
could you be able to do? Nothing. You wouldn't be able to walk, you couldn't
feel the floor. You wouldn't be able to eat, you couldn't feel the food or your
mouth. You wouldn't be able to tell if it was hot or cold. You would not be
able to learn. You could not imagine anything as you would have nothing to base
your imagination on. Take for instance people that were born without the
capability of one sensory input say sight. This person would not be able to
imagine anything in any color. They learn through the other sensory inputs.

As for mental states, yes the brain has the ability to operate at different
frequencies. This is called being alive. At 0 Hz, you are dead. These
frequencies are effected by external stimuli and/or lack of it.

The brain is indeed a pretty blank slate at birth. With the exception of what
has already happened in the forming of the nervous system due to chemical
reactions in the womb.

While Mr. Chomsky has been correct in some of writings especially about the
media and often about the corruption in government, he is wrong about this.

Their are only three reasons to push that someone is born with beliefs. 1. To
further the atrocity called religion through esoteric nonsense. 2. To push
racism by claiming genetic superiority. 3. To further pseudoscientific garbage.



Death to psychotronic weaponry. Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling Jr.

P.S. I sent what I wrote about the psychotronic weaponry and about religion to
the only e-mail address I could find for Mr. Chomsky.

Vierlingj wrote:
Well I would suggest that you use common sense. The following is an excerpt
from a biography page of Mr Chomsky. The page is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky. Here is the excerpt -

"Chomsky's critique of Skinner's methodology and basic assumptions paved the
way for a revolution against the behaviorist doctrine that had governed
psychology.
snip
Second, he
argued that large parts of what the adult mind can do are "innate". While no
child is born automatically able to speak a language, all are born with a
powerful language learning ability which allows them to soak up several
languages very quickly in their early years. Subsequent psychologists have
extended this thesis far beyond language; the mind is no longer considered a
"blank slate" at birth."

I will address the three key ideas part. This is absolute nonsense. No one is
born with any religious beliefs or other beliefs. To say this is to say that a
newborn has understanding of those beliefs. Some examples for you to consider.

Can you say "non sequitur"? I knew you could...

Chomsky's arguments (and your own, in the first part of your original
posting) concerned language. Here you suddenly switch to religious
beliefs. You can't slam Chomsky's arguments about language because you
don't believe (rightly or wrongly) that they don't extend to religous
beliefs.

If you want to know what Chomsky says about language, and knowledge in
general, you should read Chomsky. The Wikipedia is a nice brief summary
of what Chomsky claimed, and from what you have quoted it seems
accurate; but it is not (and is not intended to be) the entire argument.

As for using common sense, I'm sure you know what Einstein said about that.

I'll pass over most of what you say about children being born in this or
that language environment, because the facts are all obviously true (you
learn the language of your environment, whether or not it's the language
of your biological parents), and becasue they're completely irrelevant
to the innateness of the language ability, much less the innateness of
religious beliefs (or any other beliefs).

The powerful learning ability is called a brain. Said brain would be useless if
it were not for the rest of the nervous system. Do you really think that you
would be able to do anything without input sensory stimuli? snip

Totally irrelevant to the argument about religion (or language). BTW,
the Bible says much the same as what you say above, albeit using a
different set of body parts to talk about how all parts are necessary.
(I just thought I'd throw that in, it's not part of my argument.)

As for mental states, yes the brain has the ability to operate at different
frequencies. This is called being alive. At 0 Hz, you are dead. These
frequencies are effected by external stimuli and/or lack of it.

More irrelevance. (BTW, I believe you mean "affected" rather than
"effected". You should look up the two words in a dictionary, because
the difference is probably relevant to your argument.)

The brain is indeed a pretty blank slate at birth. With the exception of what
has already happened in the forming of the nervous system due to chemical
reactions in the womb.

While Mr. Chomsky has been correct in some of writings especially about the
media and often about the corruption in government, he is wrong about this.

I submit that you don't know what you're talking about.

Their are only three reasons to push that someone is born with beliefs.

Who are you arguing against here?

P.S. I sent what I wrote about the psychotronic weaponry and about religion to
the only e-mail address I could find for Mr. Chomsky.

Chomsky has much more important things to do than reply to people who
argue against him without having read what he has to say.

No what I wrote concerned the functioning of the brain during the learning
process. Or if you prefer how the learning process works. Language was simply
used as an example as what I wrote applies to all learning.

You wrote that I suddenly switched to religious beliefs, well then what would
you say the article meant by beliefs? Then you suddenly jump to Einstein.
Einstein, a person that tried to twist science or make up science to prove his
asinine religious beliefs.

The so-called innateness of the language ability. All learning is based on
external stimuli and associations. Without the nervous system, that includes
the brain, learning would be impossible. Then there is basic biological
functioning, which is based on the chemical reactions occuring between the
atoms that make up the human body and is not actually learned, it occurs.

As for your reference to the babble (bible), it is nothing more than an aid in
the brainwashing cults that use it. Same goes for any other religous doctrine.

Then you go into pointing out a simple typographical error to supposedly show
my stupidity. I am well aware of the difference in the two words. And yes it
should have affected.

Arguing against ? Merely pointing out facts to show why people would push said
drivel.

Your final statement says a lot considering you yourself wrote that you didn't
read all of what I posted. Now you think you speak for him.

Death to psychotronic weaponry. Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling Jr.