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  #31  
Old August 25th 14, 10:56 PM posted to alt.astronomy
Hägar
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Default Venus has no water.

"Double-A" wrote in message
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On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:21:03 PM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:
On Monday, August 25, 2014 6:53:08 AM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:

"Brad Guth" wrote in message




...








On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:13:17 AM UTC-7, Dean Markley wrote:




On Friday, August 22, 2014 11:57:14 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:








Actually, Venus has teratonnes of water, but never a drop for
the




always dumbfounded likes of yourself.








And where is this water?








Mostly suspended within those clouds, although being continually




resupplied via geothermal vents is a perfectly natural process,
exactly




as here on Earth and of most every other planet, planetoid and moon.








Are you suggesting that the planet Venus is cooler and a lot more
inert




than Earth inside?
















*** The water content in the atmosphere of Venus is 20 ppm; if
you're




too stupid to digest that, it means 20 parts per million ... take
that




in, Goth ... 20 parts per ****ing MILLION ...




It would take three cubic miles to mix a scotch and water, you
nonsense




yammering baboon.






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus




Dream on, you clueless wonder ...




Except those are not actually white fluffy clouds of inert crystal dry
dust.



We've been told over and over how terribly dense and acidic them
clouds and their atmosphere supposedly are. If they were of only 20
ppm water, they'd be of nothing but perfectly harmless inert dust
clouds.



In other words, mainstream science isn't always interpreted for the
benefit of others, just like you, GW Bush and Dick Cheney got to
interpret a firetruck at better than .1 m resolution, as a WMD. Do
you need more analogy examples?



It is said that Venus probably has an ocean of liquid carbon dioxide.
So the old idea of Venus as an ocean planet may be true after all. The
air in the upper atmosphere is said to be cool at comfortable Earth
levels. Also it might even be breathable because of the fact that
oxygen and nitrogen rise to the top!

Double-A


*** It just amazes me that you two numb-nutzes think you have the
scientific, the engineering and the geological wherewithal to speculate
what the surface of Venus has to offer, when only a few grainy pictures
exist from vintage Soviet probes that met their fiery demise soon after
touchdown. It is yet another demonstration of the delusions of grandeur
which afflict you two halfwits. Artificial Structures and CO2 lakes ...
too much.


  #32  
Old August 25th 14, 11:27 PM posted to alt.astronomy
Double-A[_4_]
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Default Venus has no water.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 2:56:45 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:
"Double-A" wrote in message

...



On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:21:03 PM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:

On Monday, August 25, 2014 6:53:08 AM UTC-7, H�gar wrote:




"Brad Guth" wrote in message








...
















On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:13:17 AM UTC-7, Dean Markley wrote:








On Friday, August 22, 2014 11:57:14 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
















Actually, Venus has teratonnes of water, but never a drop for


the








always dumbfounded likes of yourself.
















And where is this water?
















Mostly suspended within those clouds, although being continually








resupplied via geothermal vents is a perfectly natural process,


exactly








as here on Earth and of most every other planet, planetoid and moon.
















Are you suggesting that the planet Venus is cooler and a lot more


inert








than Earth inside?
































*** The water content in the atmosphere of Venus is 20 ppm; if


you're








too stupid to digest that, it means 20 parts per million ... take


that








in, Goth ... 20 parts per ****ing MILLION ...








It would take three cubic miles to mix a scotch and water, you


nonsense








yammering baboon.












http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus








Dream on, you clueless wonder ...








Except those are not actually white fluffy clouds of inert crystal dry


dust.








We've been told over and over how terribly dense and acidic them


clouds and their atmosphere supposedly are. If they were of only 20


ppm water, they'd be of nothing but perfectly harmless inert dust


clouds.








In other words, mainstream science isn't always interpreted for the


benefit of others, just like you, GW Bush and Dick Cheney got to


interpret a firetruck at better than .1 m resolution, as a WMD. Do


you need more analogy examples?






It is said that Venus probably has an ocean of liquid carbon dioxide.

So the old idea of Venus as an ocean planet may be true after all. The

air in the upper atmosphere is said to be cool at comfortable Earth

levels. Also it might even be breathable because of the fact that

oxygen and nitrogen rise to the top!



Double-A





*** It just amazes me that you two numb-nutzes think you have the

scientific, the engineering and the geological wherewithal to speculate

what the surface of Venus has to offer, when only a few grainy pictures

exist from vintage Soviet probes that met their fiery demise soon after

touchdown. It is yet another demonstration of the delusions of grandeur

which afflict you two halfwits. Artificial Structures and CO2 lakes ...

too much.



I am truly sorry you are not able to comprehend our level of discussions, Hagar. Try not inhaling so deeply the methane gas from that sewer lagoon.

Double-A

  #33  
Old August 26th 14, 06:01 AM posted to alt.astronomy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Venus has no water.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 1:15:14 PM UTC-7, Dean Markley wrote:
On Monday, August 25, 2014 3:21:03 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:

On Monday, August 25, 2014 6:53:08 AM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:




"Brad Guth" wrote in message








...
















On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:13:17 AM UTC-7, Dean Markley wrote:








On Friday, August 22, 2014 11:57:14 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
















Actually, Venus has teratonnes of water, but never a drop for the








always dumbfounded likes of yourself.
















And where is this water?
















Mostly suspended within those clouds, although being continually








resupplied via geothermal vents is a perfectly natural process, exactly








as here on Earth and of most every other planet, planetoid and moon.
















Are you suggesting that the planet Venus is cooler and a lot more inert








than Earth inside?
































*** The water content in the atmosphere of Venus is 20 ppm; if you're








too stupid to digest that, it means 20 parts per million ... take that








in, Goth ... 20 parts per ****ing MILLION ...








It would take three cubic miles to mix a scotch and water, you nonsense








yammering baboon.












http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus








Dream on, you clueless wonder ...








Except those are not actually white fluffy clouds of inert crystal dry dust.








We've been told over and over how terribly dense and acidic them clouds and their atmosphere supposedly are. If they were of only 20 ppm water, they'd be of nothing but perfectly harmless inert dust clouds.








In other words, mainstream science isn't always interpreted for the benefit of others, just like you, GW Bush and Dick Cheney got to interpret a firetruck at better than .1 m resolution, as a WMD. Do you need more analogy examples?




Are you suggesting because the clouds on Venus are "white and fluffy" that they are water vapor? LMAO! And right there is proof you are no scientist.



Again; clouds of dry dust?

If you are representing the scientist, then do tell; how can its environment be considered as acidic or much less corrosive without water?

Sounds to me that 20 ppm H2O is kinda inert or downright passive, and that's actually a very good thing. With molecular sieves and basic water recycling being old-hat technology, who the hell needs even 20 ppm?


  #34  
Old August 26th 14, 06:04 AM posted to alt.astronomy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Venus has no water.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 2:16:26 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:21:03 PM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:

In other words, mainstream science isn't always interpreted for the benefit of others, just like you, GW Bush and Dick Cheney got to interpret a firetruck at better than .1 m resolution, as a WMD. Do you need more analogy examples?



It is said that Venus probably has an ocean of liquid carbon dioxide. So the old idea of Venus as an ocean planet may be true after all. The air in the upper atmosphere is said to be cool at comfortable Earth levels. Also it might even be breathable because of the fact that oxygen and nitrogen rise to the top!



Double-A


There certainly is more O2 and H2O within them clouds than near its geothermal heated surface.
  #35  
Old August 26th 14, 06:26 AM posted to alt.astronomy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Venus has no water.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 2:56:45 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:

*** It just amazes me that you two numb-nutzes think you have the

scientific, the engineering and the geological wherewithal to speculate

what the surface of Venus has to offer, when only a few grainy pictures

exist from vintage Soviet probes that met their fiery demise soon after

touchdown. It is yet another demonstration of the delusions of grandeur

which afflict you two halfwits. Artificial Structures and CO2 lakes ...

too much.


Only Russian probes have been to its surface, plus a few others as having been taken there by ETs.

At -5km, it's atmosphere of mostly CO2 is nearly if not liquid phase.

BTW, those Russian probes had no such "fiery demise". They actually performed quite nicely, as designed and as expected.


  #36  
Old August 26th 14, 06:39 AM posted to alt.astronomy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Venus has no water.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 3:27:24 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
On Monday, August 25, 2014 2:56:45 PM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:


*** It just amazes me that you two numb-nutzes think you have the




scientific, the engineering and the geological wherewithal to speculate




what the surface of Venus has to offer, when only a few grainy pictures




exist from vintage Soviet probes that met their fiery demise soon after




touchdown. It is yet another demonstration of the delusions of grandeur




which afflict you two halfwits. Artificial Structures and CO2 lakes ....




too much.




I am truly sorry you are not able to comprehend our level of discussions, Hagar. Try not inhaling so deeply the methane gas from that sewer lagoon.


Double-A


The atmosphere below 16 km is relatively dry because it's so freaking hot. At least I've never suggested otherwise.

Poor Hagar (like most Jews) can't get over himself.
  #37  
Old August 26th 14, 01:01 PM posted to alt.astronomy
Dean Markley
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Default Venus has no water.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:16:26 PM UTC-4, Double-A wrote:
On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:21:03 PM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:

On Monday, August 25, 2014 6:53:08 AM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:




"Brad Guth" wrote in message








...
















On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:13:17 AM UTC-7, Dean Markley wrote:








On Friday, August 22, 2014 11:57:14 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
















Actually, Venus has teratonnes of water, but never a drop for the








always dumbfounded likes of yourself.
















And where is this water?
















Mostly suspended within those clouds, although being continually








resupplied via geothermal vents is a perfectly natural process, exactly








as here on Earth and of most every other planet, planetoid and moon.
















Are you suggesting that the planet Venus is cooler and a lot more inert








than Earth inside?
































*** The water content in the atmosphere of Venus is 20 ppm; if you're








too stupid to digest that, it means 20 parts per million ... take that








in, Goth ... 20 parts per ****ing MILLION ...








It would take three cubic miles to mix a scotch and water, you nonsense








yammering baboon.












http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus








Dream on, you clueless wonder ...








Except those are not actually white fluffy clouds of inert crystal dry dust.








We've been told over and over how terribly dense and acidic them clouds and their atmosphere supposedly are. If they were of only 20 ppm water, they'd be of nothing but perfectly harmless inert dust clouds.








In other words, mainstream science isn't always interpreted for the benefit of others, just like you, GW Bush and Dick Cheney got to interpret a firetruck at better than .1 m resolution, as a WMD. Do you need more analogy examples?






It is said that Venus probably has an ocean of liquid carbon dioxide. So the old idea of Venus as an ocean planet may be true after all. The air in the upper atmosphere is said to be cool at comfortable Earth levels. Also it might even be breathable because of the fact that oxygen and nitrogen rise to the top!



Double-A


Who is this "it"? There is no ocean of liquid CO2 on Venus. The phase diagrams for CO2 at Venusian temps and pressures clearly eliminate that possibility. And then there are accurate radar observations form Earth and orbiting probes that clearly show a hot, dry, solid surface.

  #38  
Old August 26th 14, 01:05 PM posted to alt.astronomy
Dean Markley
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Default Venus has no water.

On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 1:01:20 AM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
On Monday, August 25, 2014 1:15:14 PM UTC-7, Dean Markley wrote:

On Monday, August 25, 2014 3:21:03 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:




On Monday, August 25, 2014 6:53:08 AM UTC-7, Hägar wrote:








"Brad Guth" wrote in message
















...
































On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:13:17 AM UTC-7, Dean Markley wrote:
















On Friday, August 22, 2014 11:57:14 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
































Actually, Venus has teratonnes of water, but never a drop for the
















always dumbfounded likes of yourself.
































And where is this water?
































Mostly suspended within those clouds, although being continually
















resupplied via geothermal vents is a perfectly natural process, exactly
















as here on Earth and of most every other planet, planetoid and moon..
































Are you suggesting that the planet Venus is cooler and a lot more inert
















than Earth inside?
































































*** The water content in the atmosphere of Venus is 20 ppm; if you're
















too stupid to digest that, it means 20 parts per million ... take that
















in, Goth ... 20 parts per ****ing MILLION ...
















It would take three cubic miles to mix a scotch and water, you nonsense
















yammering baboon.
























http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus
















Dream on, you clueless wonder ...
















Except those are not actually white fluffy clouds of inert crystal dry dust.
















We've been told over and over how terribly dense and acidic them clouds and their atmosphere supposedly are. If they were of only 20 ppm water, they'd be of nothing but perfectly harmless inert dust clouds.
















In other words, mainstream science isn't always interpreted for the benefit of others, just like you, GW Bush and Dick Cheney got to interpret a firetruck at better than .1 m resolution, as a WMD. Do you need more analogy examples?








Are you suggesting because the clouds on Venus are "white and fluffy" that they are water vapor? LMAO! And right there is proof you are no scientist.






Again; clouds of dry dust?



If you are representing the scientist, then do tell; how can its environment be considered as acidic or much less corrosive without water?



Sounds to me that 20 ppm H2O is kinda inert or downright passive, and that's actually a very good thing. With molecular sieves and basic water recycling being old-hat technology, who the hell needs even 20 ppm?


Once again, Brad, your lack of science is showing. Acidity and corrosivity need not be dependent on water. Yes, I agree there are tiny amounts of water vapor high in the Venusian atmosphere.

I also note that you eluded the question I posed you which is another of your habits when you get called out.

And then there's your continuing habit of tossing in technical terms (molecular sieves) that have nothing to do with the discussion. That is called distraction and only works on your fellow ignoramuses.
  #39  
Old August 26th 14, 03:04 PM posted to alt.astronomy
Hägar
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Default Venus has no water.

"Dean Markley" wrote in message
...

On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:16:26 PM UTC-4, Double-A wrote:
On Monday, August 25, 2014 12:21:03 PM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:


snipped to reduce my carbon footprint, heh

It is said that Venus probably has an ocean of liquid carbon dioxide.
So the old idea of Venus as an ocean planet may be true after all.
The air in the upper atmosphere is said to be cool at comfortable
Earth levels. Also it might even be breathable because of the fact
that oxygen and nitrogen rise to the top!



Double-A


Who is this "it"? There is no ocean of liquid CO2 on Venus. The phase
diagrams for CO2 at Venusian temps and pressures clearly eliminate that
possibility. And then there are accurate radar observations form Earth
and orbiting probes that clearly show a hot, dry, solid surface.


*** You really should stop citing those irrefutable facts ... it just
confuses this collection of make-believe science hacks and nonsense
babbling Bonobos. Let them have their Venusian lakes ... in fact, you
should tell them that the fishing there is excellent; (a little green
guy told you so) ...


  #40  
Old August 26th 14, 04:43 PM posted to alt.astronomy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Venus has no water.

On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:05:11 AM UTC-7, Dean Markley wrote:
On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 1:01:20 AM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:

Sounds to me that 20 ppm H2O is kinda inert or downright passive, and that's actually a very good thing. With molecular sieves and basic water recycling being old-hat technology, who the hell needs even 20 ppm?




Once again, Brad, your lack of science is showing. Acidity and corrosivity need not be dependent on water. Yes, I agree there are tiny amounts of water vapor high in the Venusian atmosphere.


I also note that you eluded the question I posed you which is another of your habits when you get called out.


And then there's your continuing habit of tossing in technical terms (molecular sieves) that have nothing to do with the discussion. That is called distraction and only works on your fellow ignoramuses.


Those of us with normal sight have this nasty habit of interpreting what we see and from whatever we get to read. Was that too technical for those of your kind? read.

BTW; why are those of your Semitic kind so unable to eliminate those blank lines and added line spacing?

Obviously spooks and moles have those highly specialized computers, and do not have any format control. Your job has nothing whatsoever to do with any original science or any continued research as based upon the science of others.

You can't even name a single individual or group that you've benefited with your supposed expertise.

 




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