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Old October 1st 12, 04:12 AM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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Did nasa ever state what would happen to the lower stage left on the
moon?? If the hydrazine fuels leaked it could of caused a explosion.
as far as I know orbital photos arent good enough for a definitive
condition report......

just wondering what nasa expected to happen?

another one would be snoopy which appeared to end up in heliospheric
orbit...... or some left over 2nd stages that werent crashed into the
moon

with the fuels and batteries, and gases i wonder how these leftovers
have aged........

wouldnt it be wonderful to retrieve some of these artifacts?
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Old October 1st 12, 01:37 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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archealogy is fine but tourism is a income generator...

now answer me this why all the excitement about the shuttles going to
museums? they will be big tourism draws.

now imagine here we have a flown snoopy lost in heliospheric orbit for
60 years.... although it did not land on the moon it was the first LM
to orbit the moon and its testing allowed the later landing.....

I am wondering if they even survived in pretty good shape without
major damage from volatile explosions etc??


over here we have some fragments of the apollo 11 LM uper stage it
crashed into the moon some months after the landing and its crash site
was located and these fragments recovered by a rover that happened to
spot it........

tourism is a major industry for our country
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Old October 1st 12, 04:15 PM posted to sci.space.history
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In article ,
says...

bob haller wrote:

archealogy is fine but tourism is a income generator...

now answer me this why all the excitement about the shuttles going to
museums? they will be big tourism draws.

now imagine here we have a flown snoopy lost in heliospheric orbit for
60 years.... although it did not land on the moon it was the first LM
to orbit the moon and its testing allowed the later landing.....

I am wondering if they even survived in pretty good shape without
major damage from volatile explosions etc??


over here we have some fragments of the apollo 11 LM uper stage it
crashed into the moon some months after the landing and its crash site
was located and these fragments recovered by a rover that happened to
spot it........

tourism is a major industry for our country


Now look at the costs of recovery and try to make your books balance,
Bobbert....


It's deja vu all over again...

Jeff
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magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer
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Old October 1st 12, 10:12 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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Now look at the costs of recovery and try to make your books balance,
Bobbert....


with apparent declining cost to orbit, and creative ways to return
stuff from orbit, and the possiblity of a tug and or fuel depot such
historic items may be recoverable, as part of a larger mission........

take snoopy, how much info is there on long term exposure to deep
space?

snoopy and some other artifacts could be studied and also exhibited
most likely at KSC. or perhaps houston since it didnt get a
shuttle............

tourism is far more than the direct cost of X people thru a museums
turnstile........

its people traveling to the area, think air and ground travel, its
food and lodging too.......

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Old October 2nd 12, 01:54 AM posted to sci.space.history
Brad Guth[_3_]
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On Sep 30, 8:12*pm, bob haller wrote:
Did nasa ever state what would happen to the lower stage left on the
moon?? If the hydrazine fuels leaked it could of caused a explosion.
as far as I know orbital photos arent good enough for a definitive
condition report......

just wondering what nasa expected to happen?

another one would be snoopy which appeared to end up in heliospheric
orbit...... or some left over 2nd stages that werent crashed into the
moon

with the fuels and batteries, and gases i wonder how these leftovers
have aged........

wouldnt it be wonderful to retrieve some of these artifacts?


According to all things NASA/Apollo, the moon is actually quite
reflective, monochromatic and otherwise totally inert. So, everything
should still be in 100% perfect condition.
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Old October 2nd 12, 12:39 PM posted to sci.space.history
Jeff Findley[_2_]
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Default Wonder what the LM lower stages condition is ??

In article df50ffe4-0cea-42da-a422-
, says...

Now look at the costs of recovery and try to make your books balance,
Bobbert....


with apparent declining cost to orbit, and creative ways to return
stuff from orbit, and the possiblity of a tug and or fuel depot such
historic items may be recoverable, as part of a larger mission........


You didn't answer the question.

take snoopy, how much info is there on long term exposure to deep
space?


I'd guess not much beyond the samples already returned from Apollo
(Surveyor parts), on LDEF, and on other, similar experiments. How long
has ISS been in orbit? How many samples have been returned from it?

snoopy and some other artifacts could be studied and also exhibited
most likely at KSC. or perhaps houston since it didnt get a
shuttle............


If wishes were fishes...

tourism is far more than the direct cost of X people thru a museums
turnstile........

its people traveling to the area, think air and ground travel, its
food and lodging too.......


You still have not answered the question.

Beyond that, what is a handful of "new" Apollo relics going to do for
tourism anywhere? Just in case you hadn't noticed, Apollo returned a
lot of samples and hardware from the moon that are already in museums
around the globe. Supply and demand applies here...

Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer
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Old October 2nd 12, 12:53 PM posted to sci.space.history
Dean
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Default Wonder what the LM lower stages condition is ??

On Monday, October 1, 2012 8:54:08 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
On Sep 30, 8:12*pm, bob haller wrote:

Did nasa ever state what would happen to the lower stage left on the


moon?? If the hydrazine fuels leaked it could of caused a explosion.


as far as I know orbital photos arent good enough for a definitive


condition report......




just wondering what nasa expected to happen?




another one would be snoopy which appeared to end up in heliospheric


orbit...... or some left over 2nd stages that werent crashed into the


moon




with the fuels and batteries, and gases i wonder how these leftovers


have aged........




wouldnt it be wonderful to retrieve some of these artifacts?




According to all things NASA/Apollo, the moon is actually quite

reflective, monochromatic and otherwise totally inert. So, everything

should still be in 100% perfect condition.


No. according to YOU, that's what NASA/Apollo is saying. The reality is otherwise but like most conspiracy nuts, your thoughts are not quite rooted in reality.
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Old October 2nd 12, 05:24 PM posted to sci.space.history
The Mighty TB[_5_]
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Default Wonder what the LM lower stages condition is ??

bob haller wrote:
archealogy is fine but tourism is a income generator...

now answer me this why all the excitement about the shuttles going to
museums? they will be big tourism draws.


Umm, no one has to fly to the Moon to retrieve a Space Shuttle.

T.B.
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Old October 3rd 12, 01:27 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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Default Wonder what the LM lower stages condition is ??

On Oct 2, 12:24*pm, The Mighty TB wrote:
bob haller wrote:
archealogy is fine but tourism is a income generator...


now answer me this why all the excitement about the shuttles going to
museums? they will be big tourism draws.


Umm, no one has to fly to the Moon to retrieve a Space Shuttle.

T.B.


retrieving snoopy could be a non manned mission provided snoopy is in
decent shape, but a manned mission would have pizaz, if done long with
some other worthy activity.

plus it would provide some real science about how such a artifact
survives in deep space for 50 years.

might be possible to recover snoopy while visiting a asteroid...
 




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