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  #41  
Old February 21st 08, 03:07 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,sci.space.station
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
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Default Great missions STS-122 & Expedition 16

On Feb 20, 5:39 pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Feb 20, 2:03 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation

wrote:
On Feb 20, 7:30 am, BradGuth wrote:".."


Nice landing today, That was a sweet mission!


No argument there, especially since the daunting future of their
having to dive through a nasty gauntlet of exploded satellite debris
is what pretty much left no other failsafe alternative.

BTW, that was also another nice avoidance tactic on behalf of those
space camera related questions I'd imposed, so that honest folks
simply are not ever given the opportunity to see whatever is coming
towards, passing by or going away from Earth, as seen best in UV,
although IR could also be interesting.
. - Brad Guth


Actually that's a pretty weak attempt to reduce the relevance of the
Earth Viewing Camera (EVC) which is part of the European Technology
Exposure Facility (EuTEF), located on the ISS's Columbus Module. The
earth is a very dynamic place and so images like the one below from
the expedition 16 image gallery show that the EVC visible spectrum
images may attract the interest of many people, possibly even you
brad...

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/...16e018385.html
International Space Station Imagery
ISS016-E-018385 (23 Dec. 2008) --- Luquillo Mountains, Puerto Rico are
featured in this image photographed by an Expedition 16 crewmember on
the International Space Station.
  #42  
Old February 21st 08, 05:36 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,sci.space.station
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Default Great missions STS-122 & Expedition 16

On Feb 20, 7:07 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
On Feb 20, 5:39 pm, BradGuth wrote:



On Feb 20, 2:03 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation


wrote:
On Feb 20, 7:30 am, BradGuth wrote:".."


Nice landing today, That was a sweet mission!


No argument there, especially since the daunting future of their
having to dive through a nasty gauntlet of exploded satellite debris
is what pretty much left no other failsafe alternative.


BTW, that was also another nice avoidance tactic on behalf of those
space camera related questions I'd imposed, so that honest folks
simply are not ever given the opportunity to see whatever is coming
towards, passing by or going away from Earth, as seen best in UV,
although IR could also be interesting.
. - Brad Guth


Actually that's a pretty weak attempt to reduce the relevance of the
Earth Viewing Camera (EVC) which is part of the European Technology
Exposure Facility (EuTEF), located on the ISS's Columbus Module. The
earth is a very dynamic place and so images like the one below from
the expedition 16 image gallery show that the EVC visible spectrum
images may attract the interest of many people, possibly even you
brad...

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/...-16/html/iss01...
International Space Station Imagery
ISS016-E-018385 (23 Dec. 2008) --- Luquillo Mountains, Puerto Rico are
featured in this image photographed by an Expedition 16 crewmember on
the International Space Station.


I'm not reducing anything. More of science is usually better, and we
are not alone in this universe, not even to mention what's existing/
coexisting on Venus that's worth our looking at.

A good CCD camera and especially with mirror optics offers at least a
20 fold DR improvement over film, and with ever smaller pixels is
capable of even better resolution than film. The visual spectrum is
of course necessary, but it should not continually exclude the IR and
UV.

We should have a multiple array of said exterior cameras, looking in
the directions as controlled by ISS and/or by our terrestrial command
(even via internet command), and those should not be limited to using
filtered optics as to exclude other than our visual spectrum, although
it would be nice and entirely within existing technology for having a
few select filters to pick from, as used for whenever it's appropriate
to focus upon some specifics of IR or that of the impressive night
vision that should be including at least the UV-a spectrum.
.. - Brad Guth
  #43  
Old February 22nd 08, 12:54 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,sci.space.station
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On Feb 21, 9:36*am, BradGuth wrote:"The visual
spectrum is of course necessary"

Our eyes think so as well, thats why its important to have humans on
the iss observing the earth...

Here check out EarthKam
http://www.earthkam.ucsd.edu/
Welcome to NASA ISS EarthKAM!
ISS EarthKAM is a NASA sponsored program that provides stunning, high
quality photographs of our planet taken from the Space Shuttle and
International Space Station. Since 1996, ISS EarthKAM students have
taken thousands of photographs of Earth by using the world wide web to
direct a digital camera on select space flights and currently on the
International Space Station."
  #44  
Old February 22nd 08, 04:58 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,sci.space.station
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On Feb 21, 4:54 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:36 am, BradGuth wrote:"The visual
spectrum is of course necessary"

Our eyes think so as well, thats why its important to have humans on
the iss observing the earth...


What we see with the naked human eye isn't even worth 0.1% of the
truth, and above all is that you already know that is the case.
Instead you have elected to lie by way of simply excluding science and
thus having excluded evidence.

BTW, ISS could have been configured as 99% robotic, and in some ways
have functioned far better with having to deal with only a few
visiting souls from time to time.


Here check out EarthKamhttp://www.earthkam.ucsd.edu/
Welcome to NASA ISS EarthKAM!
ISS EarthKAM is a NASA sponsored program that provides stunning, high
quality photographs of our planet taken from the Space Shuttle and
International Space Station. Since 1996, ISS EarthKAM students have
taken thousands of photographs of Earth by using the world wide web to
direct a digital camera on select space flights and currently on the
International Space Station."


Again, you're playing the usual pretend-atheists game of hide and
seek, as in pretending that nothing of any interest is either coming
towards, passing nearby or going away from Earth.

What exactly are you and so many others of your brown-nosed kind so
deathly afraid of?
.. - Brad Guth
  #45  
Old February 22nd 08, 05:50 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,sci.space.station
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Default Great missions STS-122 & Expedition 16

On Feb 21, 8:58*pm, BradGuth wrote:" Instead you
have elected to lie by way of simply excluding science and thus having
excluded evidence...BTW, ISS could have been configured as 99%
robotic, "

huh? here is a great image from expedition 16, and an incredible
description from expedition 6, you see brad it is human nature to
creatively/subjectively describe events with words that present a
feeling to the reader that is far beyond the characters composing the
text, and that is why humans must be part of space travel...

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/...16e009407.html
STS-120 Shuttle Mission Imagery
ISS016-E-009407 (3 Nov. 2007) --- A colorful view of airglow layers at
Earth's horizon is featured in this image photographed by an
Expedition 16 crewmember on the International Space Station

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/...es/aurora.html
"Auroras Dancing in the Night 02.12.04
Aboard the International Space Station, Expedition 6 Science Officer
Don Pettit offers a unique perspective on auroras.

If Iris, the goddess of the rainbow, had a sister she would be the
goddess of Aurora.

Glowing green ripples form arcs that constantly transform their shape
into new glowing diaphanous forms: there is nothing static about
aurora. It is always moving, always changing, and like snowflakes,
each display is different from the last. Sometimes, there is a faint
touch of red layered above the green.

There are bright spots within the arcs that come and go, and transform
into upward directed rays topped by feathery red structures. Sometimes
there will be six or more rays, sometimes none at all.

Where does the auroral light come from?
Most of the light is emitted by oxygen atoms excited from bombardment
by charged solar particles. Charged particles consisting of atomic
fragments released by the Sun stream through space and run into
Earth's magnetic field.

When a charged particle moves through a magnetic field, a force
perpendicular to the motion is created and that force diverts the
particle into a spiral path until it collides with atoms in the upper
atmosphere. In a sense, auroras are the neon lights of the Earth's
poles.

The upper atmospheric collisions excite the atoms (oxygen and
nitrogen) into emitting light, in much the same way that electrons
pumped inside of a glass tube filled with neon gas create a neon
light. The green light emitted from excited oxygen is centered around
a wavelength of 558 nanometers, while the rarer red light is emitted
around wavelengths in the 630 nanometer region. (See what it looks
like)
Because auroras follow Earth's magnetic field, we observed them near
the Earth's poles. Further, we saw auroras more frequently on the
Canadian side of the Northern Hemisphere than the Siberian side due to
the north magnetic pole lying in the proximity of Hudson Bay.

Auroral activity seems to be at its peak 180 degrees from the sun.
When our orbit coincided with local midnight at high latitudes, we
looked forward to turning down the lights and peering out a north-
facing window.

From the ISS vantage point at approximately 400 km above the Earth's
surface, we observe aurora profiles. The edge-on view in the upper
atmosphere allows aurora height scales to be estimated. Using the
atmosphere as a ruler where its edge is taken to be about 50
kilometers in altitude, the green emissions extend from the ever
present thin-shell of airglow at 2 atmospheric thicknesses (about 100
km altitude) to perhaps 6 atmospheric thicknesses (300 km).

The red emissions are at higher altitudes. They lie on top of the
green and extend beyond that layer by about 4 atmospheric thicknesses,
thus placing them in the 300 to 500 km range.

Auroras form large concaved arcs 30 to 70 degrees along the visible
horizon with well-defined edges. From this large-scale arc smaller
curtain-like structures extend in southerly directions.

One time the space station flew through one of these curtains while
over northern Canada near local midnight. Our orbital altitude was 388
km. Glowing green lines, some curvy like a doodle on a scrap of paper
and some spotted like a connect-the-dot drawing were seen while
looking through a nadir-viewing window. We were most definitely above
the aurora looking down onto the structure.

A glance through the north-facing window was a sight to behold. We
were in a dimly glowing fog of red. It was like we had been shrunk
down to some miniature dimension and inserted into the tube of a neon
sign. And it was just on the other side of the windowpane ... we
wanted to reach out and touch! Afterwards, I had to clean a nose print
off of the window.

For a few days, our viewing geometry was such that we enjoyed a
celestial treat: we could see at the same time the green glow of
auroras and the iridescent layers of orange and blue of the Earth's
horizon at sunset. It was as if Iris and her sister of the night were
having a brief conversation.

During one orbit, I observed a green aurora in the blackness above the
sunlit atmosphere. But a red aurora glowed above the terminator (the
fuzzy line on Earth that separates day from night). The red emissions
seemed to follow the path of the terminator as it moved westward until
it was no longer in sight. I was star-struck! Auroras, out of all
other natural phenomena, are the most deserving of goddess stature."



  #46  
Old February 22nd 08, 03:36 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,sci.space.station
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Default Great missions STS-122 & Expedition 16

On Feb 21, 9:50 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
On Feb 21, 8:58 pm, BradGuth wrote:" Instead you
have elected to lie by way of simply excluding science and thus having
excluded evidence...BTW, ISS could have been configured as 99%
robotic, "

huh? here is a great image from expedition 16, and an incredible
description from expedition 6, you see brad it is human nature to
creatively/subjectively describe events with words that present a
feeling to the reader that is far beyond the characters composing the
text, and that is why humans must be part of space travel...

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/...120/html/iss01...
STS-120 Shuttle Mission Imagery
ISS016-E-009407 (3 Nov. 2007) --- A colorful view of airglow layers at
Earth's horizon is featured in this image photographed by an
Expedition 16 crewmember on the International Space Station

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/...es/aurora.html
"Auroras Dancing in the Night 02.12.04
Aboard the International Space Station, Expedition 6 Science Officer
Don Pettit offers a unique perspective on auroras.

If Iris, the goddess of the rainbow, had a sister she would be the
goddess of Aurora.

Glowing green ripples form arcs that constantly transform their shape
into new glowing diaphanous forms: there is nothing static about
aurora. It is always moving, always changing, and like snowflakes,
each display is different from the last. Sometimes, there is a faint
touch of red layered above the green.

There are bright spots within the arcs that come and go, and transform
into upward directed rays topped by feathery red structures. Sometimes
there will be six or more rays, sometimes none at all.

Where does the auroral light come from?
Most of the light is emitted by oxygen atoms excited from bombardment
by charged solar particles. Charged particles consisting of atomic
fragments released by the Sun stream through space and run into
Earth's magnetic field.

When a charged particle moves through a magnetic field, a force
perpendicular to the motion is created and that force diverts the
particle into a spiral path until it collides with atoms in the upper
atmosphere. In a sense, auroras are the neon lights of the Earth's
poles.

The upper atmospheric collisions excite the atoms (oxygen and
nitrogen) into emitting light, in much the same way that electrons
pumped inside of a glass tube filled with neon gas create a neon
light. The green light emitted from excited oxygen is centered around
a wavelength of 558 nanometers, while the rarer red light is emitted
around wavelengths in the 630 nanometer region. (See what it looks
like)
Because auroras follow Earth's magnetic field, we observed them near
the Earth's poles. Further, we saw auroras more frequently on the
Canadian side of the Northern Hemisphere than the Siberian side due to
the north magnetic pole lying in the proximity of Hudson Bay.

Auroral activity seems to be at its peak 180 degrees from the sun.
When our orbit coincided with local midnight at high latitudes, we
looked forward to turning down the lights and peering out a north-
facing window.

From the ISS vantage point at approximately 400 km above the Earth's
surface, we observe aurora profiles. The edge-on view in the upper
atmosphere allows aurora height scales to be estimated. Using the
atmosphere as a ruler where its edge is taken to be about 50
kilometers in altitude, the green emissions extend from the ever
present thin-shell of airglow at 2 atmospheric thicknesses (about 100
km altitude) to perhaps 6 atmospheric thicknesses (300 km).

The red emissions are at higher altitudes. They lie on top of the
green and extend beyond that layer by about 4 atmospheric thicknesses,
thus placing them in the 300 to 500 km range.

Auroras form large concaved arcs 30 to 70 degrees along the visible
horizon with well-defined edges. From this large-scale arc smaller
curtain-like structures extend in southerly directions.

One time the space station flew through one of these curtains while
over northern Canada near local midnight. Our orbital altitude was 388
km. Glowing green lines, some curvy like a doodle on a scrap of paper
and some spotted like a connect-the-dot drawing were seen while
looking through a nadir-viewing window. We were most definitely above
the aurora looking down onto the structure.

A glance through the north-facing window was a sight to behold. We
were in a dimly glowing fog of red. It was like we had been shrunk
down to some miniature dimension and inserted into the tube of a neon
sign. And it was just on the other side of the windowpane ... we
wanted to reach out and touch! Afterwards, I had to clean a nose print
off of the window.

For a few days, our viewing geometry was such that we enjoyed a
celestial treat: we could see at the same time the green glow of
auroras and the iridescent layers of orange and blue of the Earth's
horizon at sunset. It was as if Iris and her sister of the night were
having a brief conversation.

During one orbit, I observed a green aurora in the blackness above the
sunlit atmosphere. But a red aurora glowed above the terminator (the
fuzzy line on Earth that separates day from night). The red emissions
seemed to follow the path of the terminator as it moved westward until
it was no longer in sight. I was star-struck! Auroras, out of all
other natural phenomena, are the most deserving of goddess stature."


You do like our spendy eye-candy, don't you.

I'm not talking about eye-candy. I'm talking about real honest to god
science, and the discovery of whatever's really happening.

Take off the filter that's keeping UV from getting recorded, and
otherwise make full use of the dynamic range(DR) of whatever a good
CCD can muster. We also need live video as much if not more so than
still images.

The human visual spectrum simply doesn't detect 0.1% of what's out
there to see, but then you're just another rusemaster anyway, so
what's the difference as to whatever an unfiltered CCD can detect.
Obviously you don't care as long as the whole truth and nothing but
the truth simply can't see your faith-based light of day(sort of
speak).
.. - Brad Guth
  #47  
Old February 22nd 08, 04:00 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,sci.space.station
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Default Great missions STS-122 & Expedition 16

On Feb 21, 9:50 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
On Feb 21, 8:58 pm, BradGuth wrote:" Instead you
have elected to lie by way of simply excluding science and thus having
excluded evidence...BTW, ISS could have been configured as 99%
robotic, "

huh? here is a great image from expedition 16, and an incredible
description from expedition 6, you see brad it is human nature to
creatively/subjectively describe events with words that present a
feeling to the reader that is far beyond the characters composing the
text, and that is why humans must be part of space travel...

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/...120/html/iss01...
STS-120 Shuttle Mission Imagery
ISS016-E-009407 (3 Nov. 2007) --- A colorful view of airglow layers at
Earth's horizon is featured in this image photographed by an
Expedition 16 crewmember on the International Space Station

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/...es/aurora.html
"Auroras Dancing in the Night 02.12.04
Aboard the International Space Station, Expedition 6 Science Officer
Don Pettit offers a unique perspective on auroras.

If Iris, the goddess of the rainbow, had a sister she would be the
goddess of Aurora.

Glowing green ripples form arcs that constantly transform their shape
into new glowing diaphanous forms: there is nothing static about
aurora. It is always moving, always changing, and like snowflakes,
each display is different from the last. Sometimes, there is a faint
touch of red layered above the green.

There are bright spots within the arcs that come and go, and transform
into upward directed rays topped by feathery red structures. Sometimes
there will be six or more rays, sometimes none at all.

Where does the auroral light come from?
Most of the light is emitted by oxygen atoms excited from bombardment
by charged solar particles. Charged particles consisting of atomic
fragments released by the Sun stream through space and run into
Earth's magnetic field.

When a charged particle moves through a magnetic field, a force
perpendicular to the motion is created and that force diverts the
particle into a spiral path until it collides with atoms in the upper
atmosphere. In a sense, auroras are the neon lights of the Earth's
poles.

The upper atmospheric collisions excite the atoms (oxygen and
nitrogen) into emitting light, in much the same way that electrons
pumped inside of a glass tube filled with neon gas create a neon
light. The green light emitted from excited oxygen is centered around
a wavelength of 558 nanometers, while the rarer red light is emitted
around wavelengths in the 630 nanometer region. (See what it looks
like)
Because auroras follow Earth's magnetic field, we observed them near
the Earth's poles. Further, we saw auroras more frequently on the
Canadian side of the Northern Hemisphere than the Siberian side due to
the north magnetic pole lying in the proximity of Hudson Bay.

Auroral activity seems to be at its peak 180 degrees from the sun.
When our orbit coincided with local midnight at high latitudes, we
looked forward to turning down the lights and peering out a north-
facing window.

From the ISS vantage point at approximately 400 km above the Earth's
surface, we observe aurora profiles. The edge-on view in the upper
atmosphere allows aurora height scales to be estimated. Using the
atmosphere as a ruler where its edge is taken to be about 50
kilometers in altitude, the green emissions extend from the ever
present thin-shell of airglow at 2 atmospheric thicknesses (about 100
km altitude) to perhaps 6 atmospheric thicknesses (300 km).

The red emissions are at higher altitudes. They lie on top of the
green and extend beyond that layer by about 4 atmospheric thicknesses,
thus placing them in the 300 to 500 km range.

Auroras form large concaved arcs 30 to 70 degrees along the visible
horizon with well-defined edges. From this large-scale arc smaller
curtain-like structures extend in southerly directions.

One time the space station flew through one of these curtains while
over northern Canada near local midnight. Our orbital altitude was 388
km. Glowing green lines, some curvy like a doodle on a scrap of paper
and some spotted like a connect-the-dot drawing were seen while
looking through a nadir-viewing window. We were most definitely above
the aurora looking down onto the structure.

A glance through the north-facing window was a sight to behold. We
were in a dimly glowing fog of red. It was like we had been shrunk
down to some miniature dimension and inserted into the tube of a neon
sign. And it was just on the other side of the windowpane ... we
wanted to reach out and touch! Afterwards, I had to clean a nose print
off of the window.

For a few days, our viewing geometry was such that we enjoyed a
celestial treat: we could see at the same time the green glow of
auroras and the iridescent layers of orange and blue of the Earth's
horizon at sunset. It was as if Iris and her sister of the night were
having a brief conversation.

During one orbit, I observed a green aurora in the blackness above the
sunlit atmosphere. But a red aurora glowed above the terminator (the
fuzzy line on Earth that separates day from night). The red emissions
seemed to follow the path of the terminator as it moved westward until
it was no longer in sight. I was star-struck! Auroras, out of all
other natural phenomena, are the most deserving of goddess stature."


Obviously, with such impressive eye-candy is why you think we're it,
the one and only intelligent species within this universe, and as such
we're only allowed to detect upon whatever's within the visual
spectrum. Are you nuts, or just Muslim?

BTW, notice the color saturation and of them pesky stars above Earth,
and Earth isn't even the least bit over saturated, is it. I bet you
and others of your silly kind don't even get the drift of what this
sort of Kodak DCS760 digital camera dynamic range represents.
.. - Brad Guth
  #48  
Old February 22nd 08, 05:16 PM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,sci.space.station
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
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On Feb 22, 7:36 am, BradGuth wrote:"so what's the
difference as to whatever an unfiltered CCD can detect"

Human perception of color.
The human eye is not like a ccd, as imaging devices do not process the
data in a similar manner as the human brain, for example humans
perceive color by comparing the responses from the long cone and
medium cones, red/green opponency that determines our "yellow", which
is then compared to the amount of short cone response yellow/blue
opponency.. Imaging devices that use ccd's or even photomultiplier
tubes count photons based on a quantum efficiency of a particular
material, which is much different from the synthesis that occurs in
the human eye when the retinal pigments (rhodopsin, cyanolabe,
cholorlabe, and erythrolabe) are stimulated by light (ccd's do not
respond like the human eye). Image capturing devices have wider
energy reception ranges than the human eye, but all imaging devices
must have their images viewed by either a positive (monitor) device,
or be printed as a hard copy, both of which do not possess the ranges
of the original capture device, and therefore any image must be
modified and adapted through the use of color appearance models and
gamut mapping algorithms in order to be viewed. One of the biggest
problems with current color appearance models is attempting to
mathematically compensate for how the human eye perceives an objects
color to be the same, even during changing light conditions (color
constancy) and therefore reproducing what the "eye sees" is not very
easy, and combines artistry as well as science. Our eyes receive
energy in a very specific energy range, but the perception of that
energy is not done by analyzing one photon like a ccd does, as that
does not resolve how humans perceive how the colors of an object
relate to each other. Humans have a unique perception of colors that
instruments do not see please see "Newton's extraspectral hues" or
check out an artist color wheel (an artist color wheel shows that
humans perceive dark reds wrapping around to blues, which mean human
color perception connects low energy to high energy in the visible
part of the electromagnetic spectrum). Therefore once again it is
human nature to creatively/subjectively describe events and sights (an
observed events colors) with words that present a feeling to the
reader that is far beyond the characters composing the text, and that
is why humans must be part of space travel..


http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/...es/aurora.html
"Auroras Dancing in the Night 02.12.04
Aboard the International Space Station, Expedition 6 Science Officer
Don Pettit offers a unique perspective on auroras.


If Iris, the goddess of the rainbow, had a sister she would be the
goddess of Aurora.


Glowing green ripples form arcs that constantly transform their shape
into new glowing diaphanous forms: there is nothing static about
aurora. It is always moving, always changing, and like snowflakes,
each display is different from the last. Sometimes, there is a faint
touch of red layered above the green. "


  #49  
Old February 23rd 08, 04:52 AM posted to sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,sci.space.station
BradGuth
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Default Great missions STS-122 & Expedition 16

On Feb 22, 9:16 am, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
On Feb 22, 7:36 am, BradGuth wrote:"so what's the
difference as to whatever an unfiltered CCD can detect"

Human perception of color.
The human eye is not like a ccd, as imaging devices do not process the
data in a similar manner as the human brain, for example humans
perceive color by comparing the responses from the long cone and
medium cones, red/green opponency that determines our "yellow", which
is then compared to the amount of short cone response yellow/blue
opponency.. Imaging devices that use ccd's or even photomultiplier
tubes count photons based on a quantum efficiency of a particular
material, which is much different from the synthesis that occurs in
the human eye when the retinal pigments (rhodopsin, cyanolabe,
cholorlabe, and erythrolabe) are stimulated by light (ccd's do not
respond like the human eye). Image capturing devices have wider
energy reception ranges than the human eye, but all imaging devices
must have their images viewed by either a positive (monitor) device,
or be printed as a hard copy, both of which do not possess the ranges
of the original capture device, and therefore any image must be
modified and adapted through the use of color appearance models and
gamut mapping algorithms in order to be viewed. One of the biggest
problems with current color appearance models is attempting to
mathematically compensate for how the human eye perceives an objects
color to be the same, even during changing light conditions (color
constancy) and therefore reproducing what the "eye sees" is not very
easy, and combines artistry as well as science. Our eyes receive
energy in a very specific energy range, but the perception of that
energy is not done by analyzing one photon like a ccd does, as that
does not resolve how humans perceive how the colors of an object
relate to each other. Humans have a unique perception of colors that
instruments do not see please see "Newton's extraspectral hues" or
check out an artist color wheel (an artist color wheel shows that
humans perceive dark reds wrapping around to blues, which mean human
color perception connects low energy to high energy in the visible
part of the electromagnetic spectrum). Therefore once again it is
human nature to creatively/subjectively describe events and sights (an
observed events colors) with words that present a feeling to the
reader that is far beyond the characters composing the text, and that
is why humans must be part of space travel..

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/...es/aurora.html
"Auroras Dancing in the Night 02.12.04
Aboard the International Space Station, Expedition 6 Science Officer
Don Pettit offers a unique perspective on auroras.

If Iris, the goddess of the rainbow, had a sister she would be the
goddess of Aurora.

Glowing green ripples form arcs that constantly transform their shape
into new glowing diaphanous forms: there is nothing static about
aurora. It is always moving, always changing, and like snowflakes,
each display is different from the last. Sometimes, there is a faint
touch of red layered above the green. "


Another interesting second or third hand rant, even though you are
intent upon playing word games, rather than offering us science that
can be peer replicated as to what I had previously specified.

Via ISS, of somewhat old images of Earth by Kodak DCS760 camera with
its 12-bit limited DR(dynamic range), 3032 x 2008 pixels and sensor
area: 27.65mm x 18.43mm = 9+ micron pixels.

Seems perfectly good enough, whereas truly scientific CCD cameras with
nearly that size of pixel and of 16-bit DR should be the norm for
anything associated with ISS EVC or DCS760, even if having to be of
monochrome and using 3 or 4 specific color spectrum filters for
creating the composite colour renditions would be a whole lot better
off, although full colour CCD renditions from IR to UV at 16 bit DR
can't be all that insurmountable, especially of larger format CCDs
having starlight sensitivity and fast enough frame scans for low noise
video capture applications, as otherwise with commercial video
equipment if need be you can always incorporate three or even four
individual CCDs per color video camera.

Also remember, as similar results with over-saturating film, except
CCDs offer vastly superior spectrum bandwidth that can also have their
FWC(full well capacity) exceeded without harm, allowing those other
less saturated pixels to better record whatever's dim or of far +/-
spectrum items with much greater ease than film.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/...es/aurora.html
"Auroras Dancing in the Night 02.12.04
Aboard the International Space Station, Expedition 6 Science Officer
Don Pettit offers a unique perspective on auroras.


Obviously, with such impressive eye-candy is why most folks are so
easily mislead to think we're it, the one and only intelligent species
within this universe, and as such we're so often being fooled into
only detecting upon whatever's within the visual spectrum.

BTW, notice the color saturation and of them pesky stars above Earth,
and to notice Earth isn't even the least bit over saturated, is it. I
bet you and others of your silly kind don't even get the drift of what
this sort of Kodak DCS760 digital camera dynamic range represents.
.. - Brad Guth
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Via ISS, of somewhat old images of Earth by way of their Kodak DCS760
camera with its 12-bit limited DR(dynamic range), 3032 x 2008 pixels
and sensor format area of 27.65mm x 18.43mm = 9+ micron pixels.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/...es/aurora.html
Auroras Dancing in the Night 02.12.04
Aboard the International Space Station, Expedition 6 Science Officer
Don Pettit offers a unique perspective on auroras.


Seems perfectly good enough eye-candy, whereas truly scientific CCD
cameras of the same era with nearly that size of pixel and of 16-bit
DR should have been the norm for anything of ISS associated with their
EVC or instead of the DCS760, even if having to be of monochrome and
using 3 or 4 specific color spectrum filters for creating the
composite colour renditions would be a whole lot better science,
although full colour CCD renditions from IR to UV at 16 bit DR can't
be all that insurmountable, especially of larger format CCDs having
starlight sensitivity and fast enough frame scans for low noise video
capture applications, as otherwise with commercial video equipment if
need be you can always incorporate three or even four individual CCDs
per color video camera.

Obviously our MESSENGER mission of using CCDs and mirror optics is yet
another prime and spendy example of what not to do, because their
scientific composite color images were absolutely pathetic, and they
could have used another 10X in their telephoto capability.

Also remember, as similar results with over-saturating film, except
saturated CCD pixels offer vastly superior spectrum bandwidth that can
also have their FWC(full well capacity) exceeded without harm,
allowing those other less saturated pixels available to better record
whatever's dim or of far +/- spectrum items with much greater ease
than film because those CCDs exceed in DR as well as in their scope of
IR/UV spectrum detection.

Obviously, with such impressive eye-candy is why most folks are so
easily mislead to think we're it, the one and only intelligent species
within this universe, and as such we're so often being fooled into
only detecting upon whatever's within the visual spectrum.

BTW, notice the 12-bit limited hue/color saturation and of having
easily including them pesky stars above Earth, and to notice Earth
isn't even the least bit over saturated, is it.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/...es/aurora.html
Too bad there's not the original 18 MB image files to look at, as
those images would be absolutely terrific.

I bet you and others of your silly infowar of eye-candy spewing kind
don't even get the drift of what this sort of Kodak DCS760 digital
camera dynamic range represents. Now try to imagine what a 16-bit CCD
camera w/o optical spectrum limitations would accomplish, or even by
their existing 12-bit if simply having allowed for greater FWC
saturation (meaning longer exposure and/or of a lower optical f-stop).
.. - Brad Guth
 




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