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Hillary Clinton Declares War on....I TOLD YOU!
"Mark R. Whittington" wrote in message oups.com... Recently, Senator Hillary Clinton revealed her science agenda. Of great interest to people involved in making and debating space policy were the three bullets concerning the space program. To be brief and to the point, Hillary's agenda would be terrible news for anyone who supports space exploration and space commerce. http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._on_space.html What have I been telling you folks for a couple of years now? "We just lost the moon" That famous line from the movie we've all seen eleven times... is no doubt echoing through the halls of NASA today. The minute Bush leaves office the "Vision" will be erased from official documents and memories like a good 'ol Stalinist purge. Just like Space Solar Power seemed to dissappear almost overnight once someone told Bush there's this govt agency called NASA wanting to replace Texas crude with solar power. |
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Hillary Clinton Declares War on....I TOLD YOU!
On Nov 6, 3:59 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
"Mark R. Whittington" wrote in ooglegroups.com... Recently, Senator Hillary Clinton revealed her science agenda. Of great interest to people involved in making and debating space policy were the three bullets concerning the space program. To be brief and to the point, Hillary's agenda would be terrible news for anyone who supports space exploration and space commerce. http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._clinton_decla... What have I been telling you folks for a couple of years now? "We just lost the moon" That famous line from the movie we've all seen eleven times... is no doubt echoing through the halls of NASA today. The minute Bush leaves office the "Vision" will be erased from official documents and memories like a good 'ol Stalinist purge. Just like Space Solar Power seemed to dissappear almost overnight once someone told Bush there's this govt agency called NASA wanting to replace Texas crude with solar power. And here we'd thought their Rabbi Hitler was dead and gone. Go figure that his Zion mutated DNA ended up in Texas. What we need is a new and improved warlord that'll kick all sort of butt before China/India takes full ownership of our moon, and especially of the moon's L1. - Brad Guth - |
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Hillary Clinton Declares War on....I TOLD YOU!
"Jonathan" Just like Space Solar Power seemed to dissappear almost overnight once someone told Bush there's this govt agency called NASA wanting to replace Texas crude with solar power. Heh heh ... it is hard to find a bigger moron than Bush, but alas we have a volunteer. First, anyone who works in the oil business knows that oil is a depleting asset, and anything that can slow the use of oil is welcome. Second, though I would rather have a broomstick 25 cm up my ass than see Hillary elected President, the fact remains than manned space has been an enormous cash drain at the expense of unmanned science probes, so if it is bad news for some that Hillary wants to move money from manned space to science, it is good news for others. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Hillary Clinton Declares War on....I TOLD YOU!
"BradGuth" wrote in message oups.com... On Nov 6, 3:59 pm, "Jonathan" wrote: "Mark R. Whittington" wrote in ooglegroups.com... Recently, Senator Hillary Clinton revealed her science agenda. Of great interest to people involved in making and debating space policy were the three bullets concerning the space program. To be brief and to the point, Hillary's agenda would be terrible news for anyone who supports space exploration and space commerce. http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._clinton_decla... What have I been telling you folks for a couple of years now? "We just lost the moon" That famous line from the movie we've all seen eleven times... is no doubt echoing through the halls of NASA today. The minute Bush leaves office the "Vision" will be erased from official documents and memories like a good 'ol Stalinist purge. Just like Space Solar Power seemed to dissappear almost overnight once someone told Bush there's this govt agency called NASA wanting to replace Texas crude with solar power. And here we'd thought their Rabbi Hitler was dead and gone. Go figure that his Zion mutated DNA ended up in Texas. What we need is a new and improved warlord that'll kick all sort of butt before China/India takes full ownership of our moon, and especially of the moon's L1. Those L points, it may turn out to be an interesting fight someday to see who gets them and how. How many satellites can fit in one of those points? Will they get in each others way or can many of them share the same area? - Brad Guth - |
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"Revision" wrote:
the fact remains than manned space has been an enormous cash drain at the expense of unmanned science probes The situation is more complex and ambiguous than that. Space scientists would very much like to see their slice of the pie protected -- i.e., to avoid cancellation or delay of their missions when manned programs run over budget, or when a new manned initiative is projected to take a bigger fraction of NASA's total. At the same time, most of them know that there's a hard-to-estimate but undeniable "coattail" or "rising tide lifts all boats" effect: ever since the 1957-1969 space race, it's been easier to get large appropriations for space science *along with* larger appropriations for sexy, high-visibility manned spaceflight than it would be to get them on their own. Part of that is because some space science really does prepare the way for manned activity; part of it is an ambiguity built into our notions of "exploration"... and exploiting ambiguity is a time-honored skill in getting money from Congress. The idea of spinning off space science from NASA to a new or existing science agency has been floated many times over the years, and space scientists themselves are usually among the leading opponents. They know that however much they may feel like poor Cinderella within NASA, their budgets are decidedly Big Science by the standards of geology, oceanography, astronomy, etc. If space science were competing on a level playing field with those sciences in, e.g., the NSF review process, it's doubtful it would get as much as it does now. |
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"Revision" wrote:
: :Second, though I would rather have a broomstick 25 cm up my ass than see :Hillary elected President, the fact remains than manned space has been an :enormous cash drain at the expense of unmanned science probes, so if it :is bad news for some that Hillary wants to move money from manned space :to science, it is good news for others. : Except that history indicates that that is not what happens. When manned space gets cut, unmanned space gets cut, too. The money taken from manned space doesn't go to unmanned space. It goes to public housing or some such. It effectively disappears from 'space' entirely. Then some of the money from unmanned space follows it out. If you're a global warming evangelist you might do ok under Hillary. If you're a planetary scientist she is going to be bad news for you. If your interest is manned space flight she is going to be REALLY bad news for you. -- "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute." -- Charles Pinckney |
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"Jonathan" Just like Space Solar Power seemed to dissappear almost overnight once someone told Bush there's this govt agency called NASA wanting to replace Texas crude with solar power. Heh heh ... it is hard to find a bigger moron than Bush, but alas we have a volunteer. First, anyone who works in the oil business knows that oil is a depleting asset, and anything that can slow the use of oil is welcome. Second, though I would rather have a broomstick 25 cm up my ass than see Hillary elected President, the fact remains than manned space has been an enormous cash drain at the expense of unmanned science probes, so if it is bad news for some that Hillary wants to move money from manned space to science, it is good news for others. If she wants to move it into R&D I'm all for that. R&D is what's going to ultimately get us a real space program. If NASA had put what it's spent on the Shuttle in the last 30 years into R&D then we'd likely have a moon base by now. What's needed is not "manned space at all costs", what's needed is to get the costs of manned space down to something sustainable. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Hillary Clinton Declares War on....I TOLD YOU!
On Nov 8, 8:54 am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
If your interest is manned space flight she is going to be REALLY bad news for you. Most women prefer self righteousness over self worship, and in terms of the lack of women in the engineering and sciences, particularly in space exploration R&D, any new exploration initiative is just another "perfunctory" process in a "male dominated society" - so the "self-righteousness" aspect, for most women, becomes engendered by displacing what is perceived as a shortcoming in the math and sciences, as the "Barak Obama" complex for the "angry white male". Yeah, possibly the wrongly spun media's bad, favoring *communists* and the like, but who ever would assume that this same political beast has an exit clause, just in case the bottom should drop out? Intelligence just has to be many times more *contagious* than ignorance. The point is, Hillary has no other exit strategy for NASA, other than Obama as her running mate. (Sounds like the Fed still wants to be in charge of the inmates running the asylum!) The real ugly thing is that a bigger *Fed* (this time) represents BOTH sides of the ticket (Reps & Dems) for the same old scripted, "echoplex" of PAC'd incumbentist "magnet" - same 'money', just a different face on it. Yep, it's that bad. American "Here's some real science for you: The internal com- bustion engine became extinct about 75 years ago, but Henry Ford won't tell you that because the big banker's government cronys said screw Tesla, the Fed Notes can squash anything - so we need Tesla's picture on a hundred dollar bill. Why? Because the spirit of Benjamin Franklin has been falsely represented by the oligarchies that are supposed to represent the *spirit of invention* that resides with future generations of "Ben Franklins" - The same holds true with Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, and Grant. They should be replaced by Paul Revere, Edmund Burke, C.S. Lewis, and George Orwell. Any other money is just "dirty capital". (Part of July 08, 2007 post from "What's wrong with there being ETs (smarter than us none the less)" -- "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute." -- Charles Pinckney |
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Hillary Clinton Declares War on....I TOLD YOU!
J. Clarke wrote:
If she wants to move it into R&D I'm all for that. R&D is what's going to ultimately get us a real space program. If NASA had put what it's spent on the Shuttle in the last 30 years into R&D then we'd likely have a moon base by now. What's needed is not "manned space at all costs", what's needed is to get the costs of manned space down to something sustainable. Just because you're putting money into "R&D" doesn't mean you're going to get reduced costs of manned space flight. *UNLESS* The RND money is put into research to reduce the cost of manned spaceflight. There are a lot of other useful areas "R&D" money can be spent than on reducing the cost. |
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Hillary Clinton Declares War on....I TOLD YOU!
On Nov 7, 4:38 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
Those L points, it may turn out to be an interesting fight someday to see who gets them and how. How many satellites can fit in one of those points? Will they get in each others way or can many of them share the same area? The moon's L1 as best utilized for the robust LSE-CM/ISS (tethered Clarke Station) is pretty much an all or nothing sort of L usage. The moon's L2 might give some room for multiple LSEs(lunar space elevators). The moon's L1 is extremely easy and fly-by-rocket efficient to get to/ from, as well as being rather sufficiently station-keeping energy efficient, especially once a basalt composite fiber tether gets attached to the moon. -- Brad Guth |
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