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Old October 6th 06, 08:57 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.astro.amateur,sci.space.station
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Hi,

Your opinion 'd be welcome.

There is a French magazine titled "L'internaute magazine" (magazine of
internet users) that provides for a while a poll dealing with the interest
or not to invest in the US space program
http://questionnaire.linternaute.com.../23/index.html

It is a multiple-choice test with 3 opinions in radio buttons
Estimez-vous que le budget de la Nasa est (I translate, do you think that
NASA budget is) :
- Légitime (legitimate, rightful)
- Disproportionné : il y a des problèmes plus importants (disproportionate:
there are problems more important)
- Insuffisant : la recherche spatiale est fondamentale (insufficient : space
research is fundamental)
validation button.

Up to date, the result is... 47% against !
(the first screen displays a result but which is not updated. Once your poll
validated, the right result will appears)
But the sample gathers only about 200 readers and probably all french or
close to and thus no one US citizen, the first people concerned by he
prestige or spin-offs on this program...

When we know the benefits of the space (a 3:1 ratio according to
authorities), and that during the spirit opportunity mission there were 11
billions connections on NASA website ! (proof of the interest of the
populaiton for astronautics), sometimes I wonder if we leave in the same
world or have the same references...

Thierry
http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion


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Old October 6th 06, 10:04 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.astro.amateur,sci.space.station
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A couple of things...

The same question should be asked of ESA. Better yet, it should ask
generically whether space exploration is worthy. And in English (too).

Asking only About NASA, especially in a foreign country and language,
will skew data because fewer stakeholders will be participating. After
all, it's not like it's their (France's? Europe's) tax money
contributing towards NASA. Or business.


On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:57:20 +0200, Thierry wrote:

Hi,

Your opinion 'd be welcome.

There is a French magazine titled "L'internaute magazine" (magazine of
internet users) that provides for a while a poll dealing with the interest
or not to invest in the US space program
http://questionnaire.linternaute.com.../23/index.html

It is a multiple-choice test with 3 opinions in radio buttons
Estimez-vous que le budget de la Nasa est (I translate, do you think that
NASA budget is) :
- Légitime (legitimate, rightful)
- Disproportionné : il y a des problèmes plus importants (disproportionate:
there are problems more important)
- Insuffisant : la recherche spatiale est fondamentale (insufficient : space
research is fundamental)
validation button.

Up to date, the result is... 47% against !
(the first screen displays a result but which is not updated. Once your poll
validated, the right result will appears)
But the sample gathers only about 200 readers and probably all french or
close to and thus no one US citizen, the first people concerned by he
prestige or spin-offs on this program...

When we know the benefits of the space (a 3:1 ratio according to
authorities), and that during the spirit opportunity mission there were 11
billions connections on NASA website ! (proof of the interest of the
populaiton for astronautics), sometimes I wonder if we leave in the same
world or have the same references...

Thierry
http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion



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Old October 7th 06, 03:27 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.astro.amateur,sci.space.station
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Thierry wrote in message ...
Hi,

Your opinion 'd be welcome.

There is a French magazine titled "L'internaute magazine" (magazine of
internet users) that provides for a while a poll dealing with the interest
or not to invest in the US space program
http://questionnaire.linternaute.com.../23/index.html

It is a multiple-choice test with 3 opinions in radio buttons
Estimez-vous que le budget de la Nasa est (I translate, do you think that
NASA budget is) :
- Légitime (legitimate, rightful)
- Disproportionné : il y a des problèmes plus importants
(disproportionate: there are problems more important)
- Insuffisant : la recherche spatiale est fondamentale (insufficient :
space research is fundamental)
validation button.

Up to date, the result is... 47% against !


Thats ok. All this means is that French will not be a language spoken
in the first space colonies off world. So far humanity will speak english,
russian, german, chinese in the first space colonies off world.

vze3gz45


snip

Thierry
http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion




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Old October 7th 06, 03:50 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.astro.amateur,sci.space.station
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:57:20 +0200, Thierry wrote:

It is a multiple-choice test with 3 opinions in radio buttons
Estimez-vous que le budget de la Nasa est (I translate, do you think that
NASA budget is) :
- Légitime (legitimate, rightful)
- Disproportionné : il y a des problèmes plus importants (disproportionate:
there are problems more important)
- Insuffisant : la recherche spatiale est fondamentale (insufficient : space
research is fundamental)
validation button.


The problem with polls like this is that they leave too many options
unavailable. How are you supposed to vote if you consider that NASA's
budget is (1) insufficient, and (2) misapplied?

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Old October 7th 06, 04:13 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.astro.amateur,sci.space.station
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In article OPOVg.2124$YD.1529@trndny09,
vze3gz45 wrote:

Thierry wrote in message ...
Hi,

Your opinion 'd be welcome.

There is a French magazine titled "L'internaute magazine" (magazine of
internet users) that provides for a while a poll dealing with the interest
or not to invest in the US space program
http://questionnaire.linternaute.com.../23/index.html

It is a multiple-choice test with 3 opinions in radio buttons
Estimez-vous que le budget de la Nasa est (I translate, do you think that
NASA budget is) :
- Légitime (legitimate, rightful)
- Disproportionné : il y a des problèmes plus importants
(disproportionate: there are problems more important)
- Insuffisant : la recherche spatiale est fondamentale (insufficient :
space research is fundamental)
validation button.

Up to date, the result is... 47% against !


Thats ok. All this means is that French will not be a language spoken
in the first space colonies off world. So far humanity will speak english,
russian, german, chinese in the first space colonies off world.


Your remark reminds me a bit of a list of solar eclipses in an astronomy
book from 1930. That list contained all total and annular eclipses visible
in Europe from the 1800's into the 2100's. Nothing strange with that,
except that the book included a number of colonies in northern Africa in
what it considered to be "Europe" and thus listed eclipses visible from
there too. Little did the author realize that well before the 2100's,
actually only some 30-40 years after the publication of that book, these
colonies would become independent nations, considering themselves to
belong to Africa rather than to Europe....

The first space colonies off the Earth are still a long time into the
future. At best there might be something on the Moon within 50 years or
so -- a more probable scenario is that it'll take 100 or more years to
happen. Maybe it'll never happen, we don't know. Anyway there may be
fast and unexpected political changes during these 50 or 100 years - just
think back 50 or 100 years about what has happened since then. These
changes can easily alter your list of languages spoken on these colonies,
if they ever materialize. Your list of languages is probably appropriate
for any space colonies being built now -- but there are none.

vze3gz45


snip

Thierry
http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion






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Old October 7th 06, 04:39 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.astro.amateur,sci.space.station
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"vze3gz45" wrote in message
news:OPOVg.2124$YD.1529@trndny09...

Thierry wrote in message ...
Hi,

Your opinion 'd be welcome.

There is a French magazine titled "L'internaute magazine" (magazine of
internet users) that provides for a while a poll dealing with the
interest or not to invest in the US space program
http://questionnaire.linternaute.com.../23/index.html

It is a multiple-choice test with 3 opinions in radio buttons

...
Thats ok. All this means is that French will not be a language spoken
in the first space colonies off world. So far humanity will speak
english,
russian, german, chinese in the first space colonies off world.


Who knows... ;-) But sure that English is the "universal langage" (sorry
for those who like maths)

NB. read this extracted from wy web, about ham radio and langages.
According to UNESCO, there are 2000 languages spoken in the world. Don't
worry, about 15 languages disappear each year. In this context, Saint
Ignatius High School in Ohio published a list of main languages spoken in
the world. One learnt that if Mandarin is the most used language due to the
explosion of the chinese population, this is the English that remains
officially the first spoken language in 115 countries, followed by French
used in 35 countries and Arab spoken in 24 countries. All factors together,
including economical or taking into account the secundary language, they
classify as follows the ten most used languages in the world, by decreasing
order : English, French, Spanish, Russian, Arab, Mandarin, German, Japanese,
Portugese and Indi/Urdu. And de facto, most of radio amateurs speak English
and often several among the three first languages listed, the six others
being essentially used in countries where it constitutes the official
language.

St Ignatius link : http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm

Thierry
..
vze3gz45


snip

Thierry
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Old October 7th 06, 04:43 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.astro.amateur,sci.space.station
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"Paul Schlyter" wrote in message
...
In article OPOVg.2124$YD.1529@trndny09,
vze3gz45 wrote:

Thierry wrote in message ...
Hi,

Your opinion 'd be welcome.

...
...

Your remark reminds me a bit of a list of solar eclipses in an astronomy
book from 1930. That list contained all total and annular eclipses
visible
in Europe from the 1800's into the 2100's. Nothing strange with that,
except that the book included a number of colonies in northern Africa in
what it considered to be "Europe" and thus listed eclipses visible from
there too. Little did the author realize that well before the 2100's,
actually only some 30-40 years after the publication of that book, these
colonies would become independent nations, considering themselves to
belong to Africa rather than to Europe....


Still today, don't US citizens call all their colonies, US territories ? You
are "in the USA" there.
Idem for France, their "DOM-TOM" like Crouzet and other Kerguelen are
"France"
Excepted maybe in Canada, with a visit of H.M the Queen once each 50 year,
what remains of the link with the UK is not ovbvious...

Thierry


The first space colonies off the Earth are still a long time into the
future. At best there might be something on the Moon within 50 years or
so -- a more probable scenario is that it'll take 100 or more years to
happen. Maybe it'll never happen, we don't know. Anyway there may be
fast and unexpected political changes during these 50 or 100 years - just
think back 50 or 100 years about what has happened since then. These
changes can easily alter your list of languages spoken on these colonies,
if they ever materialize. Your list of languages is probably appropriate
for any space colonies being built now -- but there are none.

vze3gz45


snip

Thierry
http://www.astrosurf.org/luxorion






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Old October 7th 06, 04:49 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.astro.amateur,sci.space.station
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"Chris L Peterson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:57:20 +0200, Thierry wrote:

It is a multiple-choice test with 3 opinions in radio buttons
Estimez-vous que le budget de la Nasa est (I translate, do you think that
NASA budget is) :
- Légitime (legitimate, rightful)
- Disproportionné : il y a des problèmes plus importants
(disproportionate:
there are problems more important)
- Insuffisant : la recherche spatiale est fondamentale (insufficient :
space
research is fundamental)
validation button.


The problem with polls like this is that they leave too many options
unavailable. How are you supposed to vote if you consider that NASA's
budget is (1) insufficient, and (2) misapplied?


Tttt. !! Ask only to the question ! ;-)

NB. Of course, any poll could be discussed to the infinite
You think too much...

Since yesterday the poll counter passed from 197 to 205 people... with still
a bit less people "against" (45% now vs 49%).

Thierry


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Old October 7th 06, 07:10 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.space,sci.astro.amateur,sci.space.station
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Thierry wrote in message ...
Your opinion 'd be welcome.
There is a French magazine titled "L'internaute magazine" (magazine of
internet users) that provides for a while a poll dealing with the interest
or not to invest in the US space program
http://questionnaire.linternaute.com.../23/index.html


A 9/2006 U.S. Poll by Gallop - NASA sponsored -
"The new survey - the last of a three-part series sponsored by the industry
group the Coalition for Space Exploration - found that more than two-thirds
of Americans polled support NASA's stepping-stone approach to returning
astronauts to the Moon, provided the effort's cost does not exceed more than
one percent of the federal budget."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/200609...rationvisi on

A 1/2004 U.S. Poll - by Associated Press -
"Asked whether they favored the United States expanding the space program
the way Bush proposes, people were evenly split, with 48 percent favoring
the idea and the same number opposing it, according to the poll conducted
for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs."
"However, given the choice of spending money on programs like education and
health care or on space research, 55 percent said they wanted domestic
programs."
"Just over half of Democrats' opposed the plan by "the United States." Once
it was identified as a 'Bush administration' plan, Democrats opposed it by a
2-to-1 margin."
http://www.space.com/news/ap_spacepoll_040112.html

Thierry, sounds like the French are not that much different from Americans.

I do not speak French, so I am not sure what the French poll is asking:
1) Do Americans invest too much in their own space program?
2) Should the French invest in the American space program?

Considering the (legitimate) widespread condemnation of the Bush
Administration over the Iraq war, how do you separate distain for the Bush
administration from a reduced support from the U.S. space program?

- Canopus56

P.S. - A NASA bibliography of public opinion studies
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/hqlibr...rs/opinion.htm

P.P.S. - ". . . provided the effort's cost does not exceed more than one
percent of the federal budget."
From: http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/06s0462.xls

NASA's 2005 budget as percent of total U.S. Budget in billions $US: 15.4
/ 2479.4 = 0.6%
NASA's 1990 budget as a precent of total U.S. Buget in billions $US: 12.4 /
1253.1 = 0.9%

I haven't been able to access the 2007 Whitehouse budget for a 2007
estimate, because I am using a dail-up modem.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/



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"canopus56" wrote in message
...
Thierry wrote in message ...
Your opinion 'd be welcome.
There is a French magazine titled "L'internaute magazine" (magazine of
internet users) that provides for a while a poll dealing with the
interest or not to invest in the US space program
http://questionnaire.linternaute.com.../23/index.html


A 9/2006 U.S. Poll by Gallop - NASA sponsored -
"The new survey - the last of a three-part series sponsored by the
industry group the Coalition for Space Exploration - found that more than
two-thirds of Americans polled support NASA's stepping-stone approach to
returning astronauts to the Moon, provided the effort's cost does not
exceed more than one percent of the federal budget."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/200609...rationvisi on


A 1/2004 U.S. Poll - by Associated Press -
"Asked whether they favored the United States expanding the space program
the way Bush proposes, people were evenly split, with 48 percent favoring
the idea and the same number opposing it, according to the poll conducted
for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs."
"However, given the choice of spending money on programs like education
and health care or on space research, 55 percent said they wanted domestic
programs."
"Just over half of Democrats' opposed the plan by "the United States."
Once it was identified as a 'Bush administration' plan, Democrats opposed
it by a 2-to-1 margin."
http://www.space.com/news/ap_spacepoll_040112.html

Thierry, sounds like the French are not that much different from
Americans.

I do not speak French, so I am not sure what the French poll is asking:
1) Do Americans invest too much in their own space program?
2) Should the French invest in the American space program?

Considering the (legitimate) widespread condemnation of the Bush
Administration over the Iraq war, how do you separate distain for the
Bush administration from a reduced support from the U.S. space program?

- Canopus56



Thanks for all those links. I will check all that.
As you say, there are not many difference between US and Europe in this
regard.
All depend in fact on the current activity of the space program as you
showed.
Remember the "hit" of A11 in 1969; it was a world interest.
When there is not much activity aloft, people are not interested in as they
are not (much) interested in the routine missions of the shuttle
(sorry NASA, it is a fact)
However, when there is a stop in the program for any reason or when a new
program is scheduled (e.g. Constellation), then again medai and people are
all behind astronauts waiting the next hero. I bet that if we create a poll
in 2020 during the possible Mars manned mission, the result will be far
different and more that probably largely in favor of this mission, as it was
during the conquest of the Moon.

Thierry


P.S. - A NASA bibliography of public opinion studies
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/hqlibr...rs/opinion.htm

P.P.S. - ". . . provided the effort's cost does not exceed more than one
percent of the federal budget."
From: http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/06s0462.xls

NASA's 2005 budget as percent of total U.S. Budget in billions $US:
15.4 / 2479.4 = 0.6%
NASA's 1990 budget as a precent of total U.S. Buget in billions $US: 12.4
/ 1253.1 = 0.9%

I haven't been able to access the 2007 Whitehouse budget for a 2007
estimate, because I am using a dail-up modem.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/





 




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