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FLToday:"Five station risks alarm NASA "
"The five components deemed "unacceptable risks" were among 722 pieces of
hardware, software and procedures given "waivers" while the space station was being planned and built.": http://www.floridatoday.com/news/spa...703station.htm So, they just figured they would fix the defibrillator when they got it on orbit as time permitted? What else did they procrastinate about? JJ Robinson II Houston, TX **************** * JOKE * **************** * SERIOUS * **************** * SARCASTIC * **************** * OTHER? * **************** |
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FLToday:"Five station risks alarm NASA "
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"The five components deemed "unacceptable risks" were among 722 pieces of hardware, software and procedures given "waivers" while the space station was being planned and built.": http://www.floridatoday.com/news/spa...703station.htm So, they just figured they would fix the defibrillator when they got it on orbit as time permitted? What else did they procrastinate about? 721 pieces of hardware, software, and procedures. ;-) Seriously, this has been known for some time, it's just that you're unlikely to find out what all of those items are from talking in this newsgroup. However, if you use Google to search this group, you'll find several known problems discussed. One of the long known problems is debris shielding on the exterior, and a very loud acoustic environment for the crew. These were known before a single component was launched. Hence the "waivers" granted to these known issues that DO NOT meet the original requirements and rules set forth by NASA. Luckily (or otherwise), they not only write the rules, but the waivers as well. So we wonder, who watches the watchmen? Jeff -- Remove "no" and "spam" from email address to reply. If it says "This is not spam!", it's surely a lie. |
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FLToday:"Five station risks alarm NASA "
http://www.floridatoday.com/news/spa...703station.htm
So, they just figured they would fix the defibrillator when they got it on orbit as time permitted? Good question. That particular article just says "wiring problems" but a search for "defibrillator space station" turns up: Some of the medicines aboard the station are old and need to be replaced, while the equipment used to monitor the astronauts' hearts and to treat them for irregular heart beats in the event of an emergency is malfunctioning and providing unreliable data, according to documents and interviews. In 2001, a health team listed 13 "hazard concerns" with the defibrillator, even when it is working, including "fire/explosion due to battery failure." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Oct22.html Hopefully this latest exercise as mentioned in the http://www.floridatoday.com/news/spa...703station.htm article will come up with solutions, rather than just being another exercise of pushing some paper and not changing anything. Even deciding to do without a defibrillator might be better than the status quo, or so it might seem from the above. |
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FLToday:"Five station risks alarm NASA "
"jeff findley" wrote in message
... ---clip--- Luckily (or otherwise), they not only write the rules, but the waivers as well. So we wonder, who watches the watchmen? Jeff As I've complained before, NASA doesn't allow itself to be subjected to independent, external review. It's all "in-culture". JJ Robinson II Houston, TX **************** * JOKE * **************** * SERIOUS * **************** * SARCASTIC * **************** * OTHER? * **************** |
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FLToday:"Five station risks alarm NASA "
"stmx3" wrote in message
... ---clip--- So...these are not unacceptable risks then? Or can you 'waiver' it enough to make it acceptable? Of the items mentioned, my biggest concern would be for the external cooling system. ---clip--- The saving grace on orbit is that it may be mixing and reacting with the internal cooling medium, which I assume is water. They apparently can continue to "waiver" problems until somebody gets hurt---then they have to fix it. If the Russian components are built like Mir, they may be using glycol. I can't remember offhand the bad reaction glycol has with common spacecraft materials, in addition to being a serious irritant to skin and eyes. Oh, well, as long as it's only a small leak. I notice that it has been a long time since they made even the pretense of using the "Quest" airlock as if it were operational. How many preflight waivers did they write on that piece of junk? JJ Robinson II Houston, TX **************** * JOKE * **************** * SERIOUS * **************** * SARCASTIC * **************** * OTHER? * **************** |
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FLToday:"Five station risks alarm NASA "
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"jeff findley" wrote in message .. . ---clip--- Luckily (or otherwise), they not only write the rules, but the waivers as well. So we wonder, who watches the watchmen? Jeff As I've complained before, NASA doesn't allow itself to be subjected to independent, external review. It's all "in-culture". Oddly enough... No one else is subject to such an independent external review either. D. -- The STS-107 Columbia Loss FAQ can be found at the following URLs: Text-Only Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq.html Enhanced HTML Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html Corrections, comments, and additions should be e-mailed to , as well as posted to sci.space.history and sci.space.shuttle for discussion. |
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FLToday:"Five station risks alarm NASA "
K, not sure how much this counts, but what about the role of The
Aerospace Corporation for Air Force Projects? Is that different from what NASA does, for example when they had SAIC look into the failure probability of the shuttle? (I don't know the answer). The Commission will be independent of NASA and is authorized to hire a staff to develop the engineering and technical expertise to carry out its work. This would seem to be a key point. ASAP didn't have much of a staff, did it? The page http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/codeq/asap/index.htm says "The work of the Panel is augmented by consultants" and it doesn't sound like a lot of people/money. But they don't spell out how many consultants or anything on that page. |
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FLToday:"Five station risks alarm NASA "
rk wrote:
Derek Lyons wrote: wrote: "jeff findley" wrote in message .. . ---clip--- Luckily (or otherwise), they not only write the rules, but the waivers as well. So we wonder, who watches the watchmen? Jeff As I've complained before, NASA doesn't allow itself to be subjected to independent, external review. It's all "in-culture". Oddly enough... No one else is subject to such an independent external review either. K, not sure how much this counts, but what about the role of The Aerospace Corporation for Air Force Projects? R&D and consulting services are not review, not in the sense of monitoring compliance, safety, etc... The National Academy of Science is often asked to look independently at hot topics also. Again, that's not the same as monitoring compliance, etc. Senator Hollings is proposing more independent reviews: Congress *loves* independent (and toothless) review comissions, it's someplace/body to blame when something goes wrong. They've learned to avoid real oversight bodies. D. -- The STS-107 Columbia Loss FAQ can be found at the following URLs: Text-Only Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq.html Enhanced HTML Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html Corrections, comments, and additions should be e-mailed to , as well as posted to sci.space.history and sci.space.shuttle for discussion. |
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