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On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:18:36 -0400, "Scott Hedrick"
wrote: "LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message . com... OM, has anyone ever given you the definition of "ASS u me?" OM, don't do it, she's asking for anal sex. Maybe she has been in contact with "scott" after all. ....Which just proves s/he's an escapee from Killfile Hell, as they're all practiced experts at that sort of game. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:17:03 -0400, "Scott Hedrick"
wrote: "OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote in message ... I had something more important to do - photo shoots in SA. If you had to go to San Antonio, you must have been truly desperate. ....Desperate? Me? No, *they* asked -me- to come down there and do the shoots. Think about it - if you had the choice of photographing attractive women or stomping one of scott grissom's little sycophants and/or buttlovers and/or mistresses into the ground, which would you *first*? If you had to go to San Antonio to do this, you better have gotten laid by all of them, and had them pay you for the privilege. ....Hey, I'm a professional here. I have a reputation to uphold. After all, I'm a prevert - I simply haven't verted yet. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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"LaDonna Wyss" wrote:
"Charleston" wrote: The uneven CO saturation levels througout the body are consistent with rapid onset of death. Had the CO levels been more evenly distributed by the heart through the bloodstream, then that would reflect lower levels of CO exposure over a longer period of time. Oxygen deprivation to the heart muscle led directly to heart failure which then caused rapid deprivation of oygen to the brain followed by rapid onset of death. I am sorry it happened that way but the autopsy results make sense to me and others with significantly more medical backgroud than I have. 3. My own, independent investigation has not only confirmed Scott's allegations but has also revealed much more supporting evidence. Anyone who is interested may feel free to post to this thread, email me, or both. Have you read the report at my website or looked at the associated photographs? I have read most of the Congressional Report on the Apollo 1/204 report. The piece of metal that was of such intense interest here a while ago is most assuredly a part of a support bracket for MDC 8. See page 2266 of the report. D-18-362 Oh, boy. Where to start with this one. First, perhaps you should spend some time at the National Archives. Dr. Alan C. Harter submitted his report to the Apollo 204 Review Board stating unequivocally that cabin pressure caused NO physiological changes; the pressure increased and then returned to normal too quickly. No changes to the heart, lungs, etc. I have spent plenty of time at the National Archives both in downtown DC and in Maryland. Thanks. In another post I mention I will go back again regarding TPS 68. As for Dr Harter's assertions, what scientific tests were done to confirm his personal thought on the matter? In 1967, there were very few similar examples in the scientific literature/database that even remotely duplicate in detail what happened physiologically to the crew due to that pressure increase and rapid decrease. There was a single incident at Brooks AFB, TX, IIRC, involving a flash oxygen fire in an experiment that resulted in two deaths. Not much of a database. It might be useful to review the literature since then and ask Dr. Harter to revisit the issue if he is even alive today. I have been through the Congressional Record four times. Have you compared the photograph of that "part of a support bracket" with the photograph of the metal plate in question? Please, please visit my website before asking such questions. Since you have read the Congressional report then you have seen that black and white photo from 1967, on page 2041. Surely you jest that the metal piece is not from that support bracket. Even Scott, when confronted with the report, acknowledged that it could be from that bracket. He basically said "so what" that does not tell us when it was cut from the bracket. They don't even resemble each other, unless someone miraculously was able to reshape it and remove one hole from it between the time of the fire and 1996 when Scott discovered it. The hole in the little piece of metal is associated with the removal process from Spacecraft 12. The hole is where one of the rivets holding the bracket in place was located! As for it being cut from the bracket so that it could be examined under a microscope, not true. Sure it is true. Why don't you ask the technician who disassembled Panel 8 what he saw when he removed it? Why dont' you? What did he say? I have a great memory of that event? I know how about we read the original analysis of the "minute arc pits" and "melted conformal coating" as analyzed at 10X magnification on that bracket. As for the rest of your post, you are regurgitating NASA's account of the fire and the consequent results to the crew. You have NOT seen Gus' complete autopsy report, so to quote the truncated versions you find on the Internet is really not worth arguing. I did not quote the internet. That is an assumption on your part. I quoted the Medical Analysis report (Appendix D-11) in the Congressional Report. As for being truncated, the quote is directly from an Armed Forces Institute of Pathology document complete with its original lab accession number and for the cause of death I quoted Standard Form 503 "Medical Record - Autopsy Protocol". I CAN tell you this: The level of soot inside Gus' breathing passages was NOT the amount you would expect to see if what you have posted is true. You have offered no explanation for the CO levels whatsoever. The term "expected" is irrelevant. All that matters is what was found, not what some after the fact analyzer of facts might "expect". And, are you aware Roger Chaffee switched the entry batteries over to the main batteries at 12.4 and 13.6 seconds, ensuring the suit compressor would continue working? And it did, because according to Dr. Kelly's report the air intake hoses were virtually clean. It was the air outtake hoses that were filthy, indicating the air scrubber was doing its job in drawing those toxins AWAY from the breathing air. Yes, eventually they succumbed, but had someone decided to get up there rapidly and administer oxygen, all three would have recovered. Sucumbed from clean purified air? Please. You act as if the brave men who did not have a self contained breathing apparatus, who bravely removed that crew hatch after a monumental effort, and crawled right into that toxic atmosphere with nothing more than a primitive gas mask to attempt a rescue in the dark should have done so much better. Rescue was not possible at that point. Even if the crew had somehow still been on the edge of life, do you think Grissom and White could have survived their burns? Chaffee maybe. OH, and as to thermal burns, since you've been through "most" of the Congressional Record, surely you read the part where Dr. Berry admitted the thermal burns were NOT lethal. Some of the burns likely occurred prior to death and some after death. The crew was in pain from those burns and I accept that they *contributed* to the deaths of the crew as officially reported. You can argue this point all you want. -- Daniel http://www.challengerdisaster.info Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC |
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OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote in message . ..
On 3 Jun 2004 21:50:19 -0700, (LaDonna Wyss) wrote: P.S. to someone who obviously prefers hyperbole to valid debate ...We all do. It's just that you're incapable of providing it, being nothing but a scott grissom apologist, and quite probably a sodomy partner as well. The question here is whether you pitch or catch. OM The scary thing is not the fact that OM and Scott Hedrick think the way they do, but rather that the government allows them to vote and drive cars. |
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Harald Kucharek wrote in message ...
LaDonna Wyss wrote: Finally, I AGREE with you Scott is less-than-forthcoming. At the risk of sounding like an "apologist" (which I've already been accused of here), have you ever met Scott or Betty? If not, it's really difficult to explain how they view things. They are extremely cynical, understandably so. That family has really been through it over the years. What has the family been through? Father/husband was a national hero, died in an accident on duty for his country and got a funeral as a national hero and father/husband is still today considered a national hero. Would be good if the Grissom family would get through with realizing that accidents happen and paranoids will always find fodder for their paranoia. They could have come over Gus' death some thirty years ago and live a good life, but decided to stay with the dark side of the force. That's their problem and it would be nice if they would leave it with them, but it seems they feel better by digging Gus' name through the mud over and over again. What has the family been through???!!!! Do you know anything about what you are talking about??? The Grissoms have been given nothing but grief by NASA from day one. You might take a little time to study the history of this war. |
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OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:49:36 -0400, "Scott Hedrick" wrote: What you've shown is that you are looking for any desperate scrap that will support "scott", which is a pretty strong indicator that you're one of "scott"'s brown-nosers using a new address. You're using the same style of attack as "scott", although thus far your spelling and punctuation is better than he seems capable of showing. ...And, having over two decades of spotting trolls in message forums, going all the way back to BITNET, this is *exactly* what tipped me off as to what we're dealing with here. If it's not 'mc' or one of the Maxson trash, then it could, quite possibly, be scott trying to throw us off by dressing in drag and finally learning to use punctuation. OM Are you truly this thick? I've told you repeatedly who I am. If you haven't figured it out by now, perhaps you should stick to message boards for the IQ-challenged. |
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On 4 Jun 2004 11:46:32 -0700, (LaDonna Wyss)
wrote: Are you truly this thick? ....Are you truly this clueless a troll to think we're even going to consider listening to your sycophantic rhetoricals in defense of someone whose caused this group way too many headaches over the past three+ years? I've told you repeatedly who I am. ....And that means AbZero because you've not backed it up with any form of verifiable facts, accredations, references or any sort of proof that you've got any experience in the area of research, much less with regards to anything that happened on A1. What do you do for a living? Where were you educated? What exactly were your research sources? Names? Dates? Places? Verifiable contacts that can be contacted now to back you up? How can *you* be contacted directly? We're talking phone and address, here, not just e-mail. ....For accusations of this severity, if you even fail to provide tangible and verifable answers to even ONE the questions above, your entire arguement is null and void. No exceptions. No appeal. Either answer then so we can proceed further, or **** yourself somewhere else. If you haven't figured it out by now, perhaps you should stick to message boards for the IQ-challenged. ....Perhaps you should just skip answering the questions and go **** yourself, then, you worthless demented troll. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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On 4 Jun 2004 11:43:51 -0700, (Some ignorant
excuse for a troll calling herself LaDonna Wyss) wrote: Do you know anything about what you are talking about??? ....Yes, we do. You, however, do not. Begone. OM -- "No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society - General George S. Patton, Jr |
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