The original empirical fraud that started it all

"It is indeed a matter of great difficulty to discover, and
effectually to distinguish, the true motion of particular bodies from
the apparent; because the parts of that absolute space, in which those
motions are performed, do by no means come under the observation of
our senses. Yet the thing is not altogether desperate; for we have
some arguments to guide us, partly from the apparent motions, which
are the differences of the true motions; partly from the forces, which
are the causes and effects of the true motion." Newton

Newton's idea was to use the calendar based Ra/Dec system as a
framework for the difference between apparent motions and the actual
motions of the planets around the Sun whereas the solution for the
apparent motion of the other planets is accounted for by the Earth's
own orbital motion.Even though the following website refuses to
indicate that this is the main argument used by Copernicus for
planetary orbital dynamics,it demonstrates the enjoyable way planetary
motions and solar system structure was determined long before the
introduction of telescopes -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

No sane person could argue against the difference between apparent
retrogrades and the actual solution based on the Earth's orbital
dynamic yet empiricists can and do -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct, " Newton

I have done enough to expose exactly what is at the root of most
conclusions which cause people to be repulsed,whether it is the
vacuousness of the planet 'definition' or the hyperfuss of carbon
dioxide as a global temperature dial but it all comes back to the
original fraud visited on astronomy by mathematicians and their
modelling of planetary dynamics and solar system structure through
timekeeping averages of Ra/Dec.

Within the astronomical fold are the stable interpretative views which
makes astronomy so worthwhile,the intricate reasoning which
Copernicus used and unlike that contrived junk which created an
artificial problem in order to insert the empirical agenda,always
brings joy to genuine astronomers -

"Yet [these orbital motions] differ in many ways [from the daily
rotation or first motion]. In the first place, they do not swing
around the same poles as the first motion, but run obliquely through
the zodiac. Secondly, these bodies are not seen moving uniformly in
their orbits, since the sun and moon are observed to be sometimes
slow, at other times faster in their course. Moreover, we see the
other five planets also retrograde at times, and stationary at either
end [of the regression]. And whereas the sun always advances along its
own direct path, they wander in various ways, straying sometimes to
the south and sometimes to the north; that is why they are called
"planets" [wanderers]. Copernicus

How many people are angry about the fraud of climate while it takes
something special to know that this contemporary agenda of empiricists
is merely an outrigger of the original fraud of Newton at the expense
of astronomy.

On Nov 29, 6:51*am, oriel36 wrote:

I have done enough...

Actually, you have done way too much...

palsing wrote:
On Nov 29, 6:51 am, oriel36 wrote:

I have done enough...

Actually, you have done way too much...

....and, strangely enough, nothing at all of consequence.

On Nov 29, 8:13*pm, "Greg Neill" wrote:
palsing wrote:
On Nov 29, 6:51 am, oriel36 wrote:

I have done enough...

Actually, you have done way too much...

...and, strangely enough, nothing at all of consequence.

The concerted effort has never been to prove how empiricists
temporarily wrecked astronomy but rather how enjoyable astronomy
actually is beyond the errors and distortions that ruin it .

What empiricists have done is try to turn pollution studies into
global climate and in doing so have nearly destroyed normal pollution
concerns by attempting to imitate what Newton did back in the late
17th century and leading to a trail of destruction that led people to
actually believe in junk like 'time travel' and 'warped space'.

I have turned all this on its head,I know it and most here do as
well,even those cowards who sense that there is a bandwagon moving in
the opposite direction to carbon dioxide as a dictator of global
temperature.The thing about this is that people no longer care what
scientists have to say for good or for bad,that is the price of the
attempt to destroy the astronomy of planetary dynamics,solar system
structure and all the terrestrial effects of these things.

On Nov 29, 12:38*pm, oriel36 wrote:

The concerted effort has never been to prove how empiricists
temporarily wrecked astronomy but rather how enjoyable astronomy
actually is beyond the errors and distortions that ruin it .

Unfortunately, you have been less than successful in achieving that
goal as well.

John Savard

On Nov 29, 11:38*am, oriel36 wrote:

I have turned all this on its head,I know it and most here do as
well...

Actually, it only looks that way from your very own frame of
reference, because, you see, it is really you who is has the upside-
down view...

palsing wrote:

On Nov 29, 6:51 am, oriel36 wrote:

I have done enough...

Actually, you have done way too much...

too much of nothing!

On Nov 29, 11:22*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

The concerted effort has never been to prove how empiricists
temporarily wrecked astronomy but rather how enjoyable astronomy
actually is beyond the errors and distortions that ruin it .

* *What do you enjoy about astronomy, Gerald?

Were this an era that was not full of cheats and pretension,you would
not have to ask.

On Nov 29, 8:55*pm, oriel36 wrote:
On Nov 29, 11:22*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:

oriel36 wrote:

The concerted effort has never been to prove how empiricists
temporarily wrecked astronomy but rather how enjoyable astronomy
actually is beyond the errors and distortions that ruin it .

* *What do you enjoy about astronomy, Gerald?

Were this an era that was not full of cheats and pretension, you would
not have to ask.

Yes, we live in an era of public funded "cheats and pretension", as
well as liars and public funded debauchery that has no sense of
remorse. So what's new?

Most of GW is natural and/or external from Earth. However, it's
reasonable to consider at least 10% as directly linked to human
activity.

~ BG

On Nov 30, 6:05*am, Sam Wormley wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Nov 29, 11:22 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

The concerted effort has never been to prove how empiricists
temporarily wrecked astronomy but rather how enjoyable astronomy
actually is beyond the errors and distortions that ruin it .
* *What do you enjoy about astronomy, Gerald?

Were this an era that was not full of cheats and pretension,you would
not have to ask.

* *I'm serious, what aspects of astronomy do you enjoy. The key word here
* *is "enjoy".

* -Sam

I give you all the easiest to understand proof for daily rotation
through 360 degrees in 24 hours based on the twilight variations due
to different latitudinal rotational speeds where the transition from
daylight to darkness is most rapid at the Equator and longer towards
the geographical poles based on a maximum rotational speed of 1669.8
km per hour at the Equator and rotating through an entire equatorial
circumference in 24 hours.While rotational dynamics as applied to
geodynamics and crustal evolution/motion is my favorite link between
planetary dynamical causes and terrestrial effects,I am honored to be
capable of modifying the original explanation for the seasons first
proposed by Copernicus himself.

I love astronomy for its oldness,its integrity and how it repays a
thousand time the small effort to listen and learn from people who
came before and expressed to the best of their abilities the great
interpretative and creative instincts of humanity until fairly
recently when the late 17th century crowd decided to force astronomy
into a labyrinth of wordplays,like Al Mamun's forced entry into the
Great Pyramid looking for treasure he destroyed the very treasure
itself contained in the facing stones and so too,in the hands of the
empiricists,the great structures of astronomy turned to dust .You do
not know what I say or mean but my heritage is everything yours is not
and I feel the loss of honor for my race is stooping to an
astronomical level not seen on the planet before but gravely felt now
as science itself teethers .