The Universe Was Created For The Glory Of God

Jon Schild wrote:
Any being that needs to create a whole universe just to have lesser
beings that can worship and glorify him is a pathetic loser that
deserves pity, not glory.

That may well be true. But disproof of a particular oversimplified
picture of God is not necessarily disproof of the existence of God.

Why is there a Universe at all? Why is there something instead of
nothing? After all, in our experience, most somethings cost time and
effort - and materials. They don't come for free. Why should a whole
big Universe have just happened?

Maybe some kind of thinking mind is a more natural thing to exist first
than a material Universe. That does contradict experience, because
brains need to be designed by eons of evolution, and computers by
conscious effort. But the reality we see may not be ultimate reality.

To want beauty instead of barrenness, harmony instead of emptiness, and
companionship with other minds instead of loneliness, is not the result
of an insane egotism.

There are other reasons for subjecting the idea of the existence of God
to severe criticism - the "Problem of Evil", for one - but the fact
that some sacred writings, at pains to establish the superiority and
majesty of God, end up making Him look like an insufferable egotist, to
me seems like a rather minor reason.

John Savard

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Jon Schild wrote:
Any being that needs to create a whole universe just to have lesser
beings that can worship and glorify him is a pathetic loser that
deserves pity, not glory.

That may well be true. But disproof of a particular oversimplified
picture of God is not necessarily disproof of the existence of God.

An unknown God cannot be obeyed. Atheists and believers in a totally
unknown God should end up living their lives the same way.

Can God be younger than the universe? If he is younger, that would imply
that he didn't create it. Most people use God and Creator as synonyms, but
are they really synonyms? If I remember Greek mythology correctly, the
titans were older than Zeus who was the king of the gods. Can gods have
children and be replaced by their children?

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: :LOL! This ****ing contest started when I made a joke:
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: Paracelsus
: William Tucker
: M. Alice Ottoboni
: Bruce Evans
: W. Wyatt Hoback
: Charles A. McKay Jr
: Michael G. Holland

And who declared them as the experts and why should the sane folks
care?

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"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Fred J. McCall wrote:
wrote:

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:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: wrote:
:
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:I'll get back to the rest later.
:
: :
: :LOL! This ****ing contest started when I made a joke:
: :
: :"As some are fond of saying, it's the dose that defines the poison."
: :
: :and you fredded out on me replying:
: :
: :"And who would those 'some' be? "
: :
: :I don't suppose you were asking for a couple of names.
: :OTOH, I don't see the purpose to posing the question
: :in the rehtorical sense
: :
: :So, what WAS your point?
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: You shouldn't suppose. Your claim was that "some" say this. Who?
:
:
: Paracelsus
: William Tucker
: M. Alice Ottoboni
: Bruce Evans
: W. Wyatt Hoback
: Charles A. McKay Jr
: Michael G. Holland

And who declared them as the experts and why should the sane folks
care?


I see you have lost track of this thread.

Why would anyone 'declare' anyone to be expert?

Maybe sleeping with more than one woman IS safe. Why
don't you try it and see what happens?

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FF

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Why is there a Universe at all? Why is there something instead of
nothing? After all, in our experience, most somethings cost time
and effort - and materials. They don't come for free. Why should a
whole big Universe have just happened?

I think that "in our experience" is where your reasoning here breaks
down. Our experience, our "common sense" and rules of thumb and the
like all evolved in the context of the very small slice of reality
that we happen to live in. Heck, "our experience" and the rest of
it fail in the face of things that we _already_ know about --
"Whattaya mean, things don't always keep going faster if you keep
pushing on them?" -- so why should we expect them to provide useful
modeling tools for parts of reality that we're only beginning to
hypothesize?

Or to put it more plainly, why _shouldn't_ a whole big Universe have
just happened?

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William December Starr

(William December Starr) wrote in news:ecc3l8$cko$1
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The universe was crated for the glory of God?

What an egotistical *******. What does God need with glory anyway? Isn't he
the supreme being? Isn't that enough? Why does he need countless souls to
tell him how great he is? I can tell you why. Because God is quite mad,
insane, nuts, mentally disturbed, etc.