A retrospective look at Sirius B in its red supergiant phase

On May 12, 7:20*pm, BradGuth wrote:
The cosmic creation of the nearby Sirius star/solar system, as recent
as 200 million years ago, seams a little too good to be true and
otherwise a little too damn lucky for us. *However, since this topic
is officially Usenet/newsgroup banished and otherwise taboo/
nondisclosure rated, perhaps we'll just have to forget that anything
of the cosmic and stellar sort of creation process ever happened.

On May 9, 2:01*pm, BradGuth wrote:



A “what if” retrospective look at Sirius B in its red supergiant
phase, and the first illusive dim light of Sirius C that can’t be too
far off.

Could the Sirius ABC collective ever go supernovae?
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova
*According to Wikipedia, the extremely nearby and still very massive
Sirius star system doesn’t hardly exist as any past, present or future
threat, even though having only recently existed, as well as having
flashed over to a white dwarf, and Sirius C not having been optically
identified.

I bet you think we’ve seen just about everything Sirius has to offer.
(think again)
*http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius
*Not that far better instruments haven’t existed that could easily
accomplish a thousand fold better and of multiple narrow bandpass
imaging results of Sirius, but what the hell when at least an honest
amateur gives us a no-charge freebie whack at Sirius, we might as well
pay some attention because we got nothing to lose but our self-
rightists pride in all things faith-based and/or government moderated.

Red giant stars are supposedly many, and yet they remain a little hard
to come by, as only a few public images of whatever is within 1000
light years seem to exist that fit within the bloated size and color
saturated eye-candy profiles that we’ve been taught to accept, and
stellar flashovers are simply next to impossible to record. *However,
the visible spectrum is extremely limited as to what is otherwise
technically accessible from just above and below our genetically
limited and thus inferior visual spectrum. (seems entirely odd that
our human evolution was rather careless in having discarded so much
nifty visual capability, in that other creatures that supposedly lack
the necessary intelligence seem to have a far wider visual spectrum
capability that includes some UV and IR without any need of applied
technology)

In most exoplanet and brown dwarf hunting cases, the given primary
star has to be looked at multiple hundred times in order to measure
any primary or secondary star variations in those photons of any given
bandpass filtered application.
*http://irfu.cea.fr/Sap/en/Phocea/Vie...php?t=actu&id_...
*Since Sirius A remains as such a substantial illuminating star is why
it’s rather difficult to image much of anything else, especially
compromised from within our atmosphere. *In this case they were
primarily hunting for a potential red dwarf on a 20002500 year
elongated/elliptical orbit, instead of seeking to uncover any nearby
brown dwarf such as Sirius C .06M. *They did however manage to detect
a substantial disk of unusual IR intensity surrounding the nearly
invisible Sirius B.

For Sirius C hunting we need a 100X TRACE instrument with extended
dynamic range that can directly image the extremely hot surfaces of
Sirius A and B without losing the surrounding details of whatever
relatively dim brown dwarf(s).

Perhaps a few LHC do-overs can also help us understand what makes
subatomic particles, atoms and stars tick, by way of creating
artificial black holes, H2/He flashovers and possibly even a
terrestrial nova will give us those cosmic laws of physics that’ll
some day allow us to make antimatter and fusion kinds of energy and
interstellar treks within a given generation, and otherwise improve
the quality of terrestrial life (a first for astrophysics) for the
rest of us.

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail” *The obvious bow-wave
proves that even 64 km/s is pushing towards the intergalactic terminal
velocity of such stellar motion for items of this volumetric inflated
red giant size (Mira being as little as a mere eight of what the
original Sirius B red supergiant should have represented)http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira_A of 1.2 M solar mass and bloated out to several hundred solar
radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A dying star situated 400 light years
away from us exhibits an unusual and massive tail of heated gas that
spreads for more than 13 light years.” *Trekking it’s way through
space at a seemingly rogue velocity of 64 km/s none the less.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been looking much like an image of Mira A, except
moving along at less than 10 km/s with respect to us, and otherwise
nearly 8 fold more massive and certainly having expanded a whole lot
larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR, as that
of a nearby red supergiant star, and perhaps nearly half the mass of
the star Betelgeuse.
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A, plus lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities as for how Sirius B used to function as a
truly massive (9 solar mass) plus that of an extremely vibrant star,
thereby ultra hot and unavoidably fast consuming upon itself prior to
becoming the impressive red supergiant, as well as creating another
planetary nebula or dense molecular phase before ending as the little
white dwarf *that we can barely see without technology. *For all we
know, for quite a while Sirius B was a variable kind of red supergiant
and then perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as
the compressed white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant and suddenly into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its
previous mass, taking roughly 32~96,000 years for this accellerated
mass shedding phase to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later
is when such a white dwarf eventually becomes a black carbon dwarf, as
kind of a black diamond spent star that our universe may or may not be
quite old enough to display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red supergiant at 20+ fold the mass of
our sun, and likely worth somewhat better than two fold the mass of
the original Sirius B. *Betelgeuse currently having expanded to 1000
solar radii and growing, it'll certainly become a truly impressive
flashover whenever it runs out of helium and suddenly transforms
itself into a white dwarf that’s nearly the size of Saturn.

The soon to be renewed and greatly improved Hubble instrument should
accomplish the improved spectrum coverage, along with improved
resolution and several extra DB in dynamic range of imaging most
everything, along with other existing and soon to be ESA deployed
telescopes that are far superior yet, should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like, and quite
possibly our first light of Sirius C.

This kind of public investment in astronomy should give some of us a
better deductive kind of observationology, of somewhat less subjective
interpretations as to what sort of stellar birth, growth and demise
transpired right next door to us, as well as having unavoidably
contributed to some of what our solar system has to offer. *However,
perhaps there’s too much information already known about the Sirius
star/solar system for the public to grasp, without causing more faith-
based and political harm than good.
*http://www.cosmicastronomy.com/oscillat.htm#sirius

Just pretend that I never mentioned anything about this pesky Sirius
star/solar system, and never mind the nearby nova when that happens.
However, if any 5th graders are looking for a really nifty science
project that'll seriously blow your teachers away and scare the hell
out of most everyone else: you got my number.

*~ BG

Interesting, that not even as of 20 some odd ice-ages ago, or that of
merely 200 million years ago, are we aware of exactly where the hell
our 12 mass Sirius star/solar was located, as of just shortly after
being created from a truly massive molecular dense enough cloud of
perhaps at least 12e3 soar masses.

So, where exactly did the rest of that stellar worthy molecular cloud
of mostly hydrogen and helium go, and why did it just as suddenly
leave us in its dust (so to speak), with no trace of itself.

Do such terrific molecular and thus star making clouds just come and
go as they please?

~ BG

On May 13, 12:19*pm, BradGuth wrote:

Interesting, that not even as of 20 some odd ice-ages ago, or that of
merely 200 million years ago, are we aware of exactly where the hell
our 12 mass Sirius star/solar was located, as of just shortly after
being created from a truly massive molecular dense enough cloud of
perhaps at least 12e3 soar masses.

So, where exactly did the rest of that stellar worthy molecular cloud
of mostly hydrogen and helium go, and why did it just as suddenly
leave us in its dust (so to speak), with no trace of itself.

Do such terrific molecular and thus star making clouds just come and
go as they please?

*~ BG

**************
Boy, you sure can go on and on about things you know absolutely
nothing about.

Sirius and its single companion are approaching earth at about 8 km/
sec, and in 200K years they will be making their closest approach to
earth. Doing the simple math, when that system formed it was over 100
light years away from the solar system. It did NOT form anywhere near
the earth. Take a class, or do some worthy research before putting
your mouth in gear.

By the way, it is very doubtful that this system contains a "C"
component. Many have searched for it and all have failed, including
Hubble. It is just not there. Here is my reference;

http://www.solstation.com/stars/sirius2.htm

Where is yours?

\Paul A

On May 14, 10:54*pm, "Matt Wiser" wrote:
BG's source of info is his delusions, nothing more. What he needs is a trip
to a rubber room, 24/7 medical supervision and medications, and intensive
therapy. After he's had a good series of smacks on the ass with a
wrote in message

They used to burn books and witches at the stake, and otherwise
imprison and/or banish for life, though Christ they simply had put on
a stick. Nowadays they just inject mind altering drugs and
electrocute your private parts as they waterboard until you say and
think whatever thy want you to say and think, and then they go off to
church and ask once again and again for forgiveness before they return
to molest and traumatize yet another human.

You must be a Republican with a black Zionist Nazi heart.


...
On May 13, 12:19 pm, BradGuth wrote:

Interesting, that not even as of 20 some odd ice-ages ago, or that of
merely 200 million years ago, are we aware of exactly where the hell
our 12 mass Sirius star/solar was located, as of just shortly after
being created from a truly massive molecular dense enough cloud of
perhaps at least 12e3 soar masses.

So, where exactly did the rest of that stellar worthy molecular cloud
of mostly hydrogen and helium go, and why did it just as suddenly
leave us in its dust (so to speak), with no trace of itself.

Do such terrific molecular and thus star making clouds just come and
go as they please?

~ BG

**************
Boy, you sure can go on and on about things you know absolutely
nothing about.

Sirius and its single companion are approaching earth at about 8 km/
sec, and in 200K years they will be making their closest approach to
earth. Doing the simple math, when that system formed it was over 100
light years away from the solar system. It did NOT form anywhere near
the earth. Take a class, or do some worthy research before putting
your mouth in gear.

Your fuzzy but Zionist approved math excludes orbital considerations.
What in this universe has zero orbital/tidal considerations, much less
that of anything associated within our galaxy.

Are you suggesting there's no such thing as any 5, 10, 20, 50 light
year tidal radius factors of orbital gravity considerations?


By the way, it is very doubtful that *this system contains a "C"
component. Many have searched for it and all have failed, including
Hubble. It is just not there. Here is my reference;

http://www.solstation.com/stars/sirius2.htm

Where is yours?

\Paul A

Hubble of that era was a piece of crap. TRACE could have accomplished
a better job.

BTW, I've long since posted mine. So, your mainstream and thus
Zionist approved infomercial cite excludes the regular laws of
physics, and mine doesn't. Now what?

What is making the little but unmistakable wobble? (a .06M black hole,
a neutron star, a black dwarf planetoid/asteroid, perhaps that of a
brown dwarf, or is it our sun and Jupiter?)

~ BG

On May 15, 6:23 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

Matt BG is hung up on Sirius B I have a picture of this white dwarf
and it is about twice the size of Earth. I am sure their are more Sirius
B dwarfs than even Sun like stars. Maybe that is what BG sees in them.
They are very common,and taken for granted. seems Neutron stars are far
less common,but very popular and stir up our thinking about them Go
figure TreBert

There are perhaps far more red dwarfs than white dwarfs.

I believe Sirius B used to be worth 8 solar masses, though possibly it
was originally as great as 9 solar masses, and by way of cosmic
standards it's not very old (possibly as young as 200~250 million
years, or 20~25 some odd ice ages). The molecular cloud that created
this nearby Sirius star/solar system was likely worth 12,000+ solar
masses (others might suggest 64,000+ solar masses).

The creation of the Sirius star/solar system happened relatively
nearby, and the red supergiant phase occurred recently and much
closer. Our solar system is still affected by the nearby and 3.5
solar mass of the Sirius star/solar system. For all we know, parts of
our solar system unavoidably came from Sirius.


On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:
Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T....
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m....

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

With the new and greatly improve Hubble camera, there's another good
chance that Sirius C can be detected, however a TRACEx100 at less than
10% the cost of the latest repair/upgrades to Hubble would have been
far superior and doable as of a decade ago.

~ BG

On May 15, 9:10*am, BradGuth wrote:
On May 15, 6:23 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

Matt BG is hung up on Sirius B * I have a picture of this white dwarf
and it is about twice the size of Earth. I am sure their are more Sirius
B dwarfs than even Sun like stars. Maybe that is what BG sees in them.
They are very common,and taken for granted. *seems Neutron stars are far
less common,but very popular and stir up our thinking about them *Go
figure *TreBert

There are perhaps far more red dwarfs than white dwarfs.

I believe Sirius B used to be worth 8 solar masses, though possibly it
was originally as great as 9 solar masses, and by way of cosmic
standards it's not very old (possibly as young as 200~250 million
years, or 20~25 some odd ice ages). *The molecular cloud that created
this nearby Sirius star/solar system was likely worth 12,000+ solar
masses (others might suggest 64,000+ solar masses).

The creation of the Sirius star/solar system happened relatively
nearby, and the red supergiant phase occurred recently and much
closer. *Our solar system is still affected by the nearby and 3.5
solar mass of the Sirius star/solar system. *For all we know, parts of
our solar system unavoidably came from Sirius.

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:



Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

With the new and greatly improve Hubble camera, there's another good
chance that Sirius C can be detected, however a TRACEx100 at less than
10% the cost of the latest repair/upgrades to Hubble would have been
far superior and doable as of a decade ago.

*~ BG

Why waste our hard earned public loot on any TRACEx100? (why not?)

Hardly anyone in government is cutting back, and in spite of whatever
BHO thinks, we're still getting systematically screwed by those in
charge.

Looks like they got our BHO nicely wrapped around their little Zionist
Nazi finger.

~ BG

On May 15, 9:10*am, BradGuth wrote:
On May 15, 6:23 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

Matt BG is hung up on Sirius B * I have a picture of this white dwarf
and it is about twice the size of Earth. I am sure their are more Sirius
B dwarfs than even Sun like stars. Maybe that is what BG sees in them.
They are very common,and taken for granted. *seems Neutron stars are far
less common,but very popular and stir up our thinking about them *Go
figure *TreBert

There are perhaps far more red dwarfs than white dwarfs.

I believe Sirius B used to be worth 8 solar masses, though possibly it
was originally as great as 9 solar masses, and by way of cosmic
standards it's not very old (possibly as young as 200~250 million
years, or 20~25 some odd ice ages). *The molecular cloud that created
this nearby Sirius star/solar system was likely worth 12,000+ solar
masses (others might suggest 64,000+ solar masses).

The creation of the Sirius star/solar system happened relatively
nearby, and the red supergiant phase occurred recently and much
closer. *Our solar system is still affected by the nearby and 3.5
solar mass of the Sirius star/solar system. *For all we know, parts of
our solar system unavoidably came from Sirius.

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:



Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

With the new and greatly improve Hubble camera, there's another good
chance that Sirius C can be detected, however a TRACEx100 at less than
10% the cost of the latest repair/upgrades to Hubble would have been
far superior and doable as of a decade ago.

Why waste our hard earned public loot on any TRACEx100? (why the hell
not?)

Hardly anyone in government is cutting back, and in spite of whatever
BHO thinks, it seems we're still getting systematically screwed by
those in charge.

Looks like they got our BHO nicely wrapped around their little Zionist
Nazi finger, with an even bigger government than ever before, and
Charles F. Bolden may not be the right stuff or offering sufficient
stuff in order to fix our NASA or it's puppet master DARPA.

At least a TRACEx100 at 1% the overall cost of Hubble could provide
multiple functions of astronomy, lunar sciences and otherwise mostly
benefit Earth science about our sun at 100 fold better resolution than
the existing and fairly old TRACE that's about to run out of fuel.

~ BG

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:
Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T....
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m....

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

If nothing goes wrong with this final Hubble repair/upgrade, we’ll
have a good $12+ billion invested in our favorite eye-candy machine,
and still little old TRACE is doing it’s far more important science at
initially less than $50M.

A pair of new and improved TRACEx100s might run us $120M, or roughly
1% of our Hubble investment, and that’s without ever having to risk
one human cell or strand of DNA, nor having caused 1% the global
pollution. I might go so far as to suggest situating one of the
TRACEx100s at Earth L1, and the other at Earth L2, as that way we
could have a stereo view of Sirius, plus many other stereo/3D
applications including nifty Earth science pertaining to out
magnetosphere and solar wind, along with another darn good option of
using the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) location instead of the polar LEO
that’s currently in use by the old existing TRACE.

At 1% the cost of Hubble, either of two TRACEx100 (100x greater
resolution than our existing TRACE), plus added dynamic range and
possibly even a third TRACEx100 could also perform multiple OCO
duties, as well as some limited Selene/moon related science and even
basic astronomy functions from within Selene L1. Perhaps with some
luck and composite imaging from the renewed and greatly improved
Hubble we’ll locate the massive cloud of molecular gasses that gave
such a vibrant birth to the nearby Sirius star/solar system, and
thereby obtaining a better understanding as to the most recent
evolution of stars, and essentially of everything else (including
ourselves).

The whole package deal of creating and deploying 3 TRACEx100s should
come in under $200M, and it’s nearly all Earth, moon and solar related
science to boot. The original creators of TRACE could be contracted
to create these new and improved TRACEx100, which should easily exceed
a decade or two in their deployed operation without further attention.
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/trace_mosaic.html

~ BG

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:
Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T....
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m....

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

The hunt for Sirius C is about to get more interesting, with three new
ESA deployed astronomy missions, and our renewed Hubble upgraded to
within a few years of being the best of technology that it can be, as
such should make detecting everything from tiny neutron stars to black
holes a whole lot more doable.

If nothing goes wrong with this final Hubble repair/upgrade, we’ll
have a good $12+ billion invested in our favorite eye-candy machine,
and still little old TRACE is doing it’s far more important science at
initially less than $50M.

A pair of new and improved TRACEx100s might run us $120M, or roughly
1% of our Hubble investment, and that’s without ever having to risk
one human cell or strand of DNA, nor having caused 1% the global
pollution. I might go so far as to suggest situating one of the
TRACEx100s at Earth L1, and the other at Earth L2, as that way we
could have a stereo view of Sirius, plus many other stereo/3D
applications including nifty Earth science pertaining to our
magnetosphere and solar wind, along with another darn good option of
using the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) location instead of the polar LEO
that’s currently in use by the old existing TRACE.

At 1% the cost of Hubble, either of two TRACEx100s (100x greater
resolution than our existing TRACE), plus 4 db of added dynamic range
and quite possibly even a third TRACEx100 that could also perform
multiple OCO duties, as well as offering some limited Selene/moon
related science and even basic astronomy functions from within Selene
L1. Perhaps with some luck and composite imaging from the renewed and
greatly improved Hubble we’ll locate the massive cloud of molecular
gasses that gave such a vibrant birth to the nearby Sirius star/solar
system that started off as roughly 12 solar masses, and thereby
obtaining a better physics and science understanding as to the most
recent evolution of stars, and essentially of better understanding
most everything else (including ourselves).

The whole package deal of creating and deploying three TRACEx100s
should come in under $200M, and it’s nearly all Earth, moon and solar
related science to boot. The original creators of TRACE could be
contracted to create these new and improved TRACEx100, which should
easily exceed a decade or two in their deployed operation without
further attention.
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/trace_mosaic.html

Our Eden/Earth is still losing mass, at perhaps a minimum of roughly
100 kg/sec (0.11 t/sec), while receiving at most 10 kg/sec (110 kg/
sec). With proper instruments in orbit (some of which already exist)
or otherwise as best situated within Selene L1, via observationology
we could deductively interpret in order to better understand and
objectively quantify this ongoing loss. The OCO mission was also
supposed to identify certain gaseous elements related to global
dimming and greenhouse heating, as well as accurately map their
terrestrial origin, but that got terminated just in the nick of time.
~ BG

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:
Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T....
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m....

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

Come on folks, tell us where that great molecular cloud is that so
recently created the Sirius star/solar system. Those sorts of cosmic
massive things don't just vanish into less than thin air, so to speak.

Tell us why the red supergiant phase of Sirius B did not affect our
environment.

Tell us why the truly substantial mass of the hydrogen and helium
flashover of Sirius B into becoming an impressive white dwarf didn't
affect us.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:
Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T....
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m....

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

As of 250~300 million years ago, Eden/Earth and our entire solar
system became surrounded and otherwise cosmic saturated within the
exact same molecular cloud that gave birth to the massive and
extremely vibrant Sirius star/solar system. Yet for some odd reason
this doesn’t seem to bother anyone, nor the fact that we can’t manage
to rediscover any remainder of this horrific molecular cloud.

Is it just me, or do we think there’s something more than a little
fishy going on?

What would happen to our terrestrial environment if our solar system
once again became surrounded by any significant portion of the same
12,000 some odd solar masses worth of such a cosmic molecular cloud?

We’re told by the published experts in cosmology and astrophysics that
12,000 solar masses is a conservative molecular cloud for having given
birth to a 12 solar mass star system, such as the original Sirius,
whereas more than likely it would have been a cloud of 24,000~64,000
solar masses.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”