Could Albert be wrong?

On Sep 23, 10:39*am, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 9/23/11 3:56 AM, G. L. Bradford wrote:

* A proper question is how slow is slow in space? What exactly is the
zero of velocity that 300,000kps is measured out from?

* *There is no absolute state of motion or rest. Whether a body is
* *in motion are at rest depends strictly on the point of view of
* *the observer.

That is the current scientific theory. Of course a preferred frame
could be found tomorrow for all we know.
For instance there was a report this year that suggested the universe
could be spinning. Then there would be an axis of rotation and so
likely also a center:

Is the Universe Spinning?
Analysis by Ray Villard
Fri Jul 8, 2011 06:22 PM ET
http://news.discovery.com/space/do-w...se-110708.html

Bob Clark

On 9/24/11 6:44 PM, Robert Clark wrote:
On Sep 23, 10:39 am, Sam wrote:
On 9/23/11 3:56 AM, G. L. Bradford wrote:

A proper question is how slow is slow in space? What exactly is the
zero of velocity that 300,000kps is measured out from?

There is no absolute state of motion or rest. Whether a body is
in motion are at rest depends strictly on the point of view of
the observer.

That is the current scientific theory. Of course a preferred frame
could be found tomorrow for all we know.

Well it started before Galileo, who stated it. Since there is no
absolute references in space-time, there is no absolute coordinate
system--no absolute motion.


For instance there was a report this year that suggested the universe
could be spinning.

Spinning with respect to what?

No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html

WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html

On Sep 24, 4:44*pm, Robert Clark wrote:
On Sep 23, 10:39*am, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 9/23/11 3:56 AM, G. L. Bradford wrote:

* A proper question is how slow is slow in space? What exactly is the
zero of velocity that 300,000kps is measured out from?

* *There is no absolute state of motion or rest. Whether a body is
* *in motion are at rest depends strictly on the point of view of
* *the observer.

*That is the current scientific theory. Of course a preferred frame
could be found tomorrow for all we know.
*For instance there was a report this year that suggested the universe
could be *spinning. Then there would be an axis of rotation and so
likely also a center:

Is the Universe Spinning?
Analysis by Ray Villard
Fri Jul 8, 2011 06:22 PM EThttp://news.discovery.com/space/do-we-live-in-a-spinning-universe-110...

*Bob Clark

Everything is always in orbit around something.

Zero velocity doesn't exist.

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On 9/24/11 8:26 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
Zero velocity doesn't exist.

My kitchen table has zero velocity with respect to my kitchen.
Whether an object has zero velocity or non-zero velocity strictly
depends on the point of view of the observer.

On Sep 24, 8:18*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 9/24/11 6:44 PM, Robert Clark wrote:

On Sep 23, 10:39 am, Sam *wrote:
On 9/23/11 3:56 AM, G. L. Bradford wrote:

* *A proper question is how slow is slow in space? What exactly is the
zero of velocity that 300,000kps is measured out from?

* * There is no absolute state of motion or rest. Whether a body is
* * in motion are at rest depends strictly on the point of view of
* * the observer.

That is the current scientific theory. Of course a preferred frame
could be found tomorrow for all we know.

* *Well it started before Galileo, who stated it. Since there is no
* *absolute references in space-time, there is no absolute coordinate
* *system--no absolute motion.

For instance there was a report this year that suggested the universe
could be *spinning.

* *Spinning with respect to what?

* *No Center
* * *http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
* * *http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

* *Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
* * *http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
* * *http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
* * *http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html

* *WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
* * *http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

* *WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
* * *http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html

IF it is spinning. It would be with respect to a center.

Bob Clark

On Sep 24, 9:47*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 9/24/11 8:26 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Zero velocity doesn't exist.

* *My kitchen table has zero velocity with respect to my kitchen.
* *Whether an object has zero velocity or non-zero velocity strictly
* *depends on the point of view of the observer.

The fact that you and your kitchen table do not have zero velocity
with respect to the center of the Earth has important and measurable
physical effects, specifically because the Earth is spinning.

Bob Clark

On Sep 25, 9:23 am, Robert Clark wrote:
On Sep 24, 8:18 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:



On 9/24/11 6:44 PM, Robert Clark wrote:

On Sep 23, 10:39 am, Sam wrote:
On 9/23/11 3:56 AM, G. L. Bradford wrote:

A proper question is how slow is slow in space? What exactly is the
zero of velocity that 300,000kps is measured out from?

There is no absolute state of motion or rest. Whether a body is
in motion are at rest depends strictly on the point of view of
the observer.

That is the current scientific theory. Of course a preferred frame
could be found tomorrow for all we know.

Well it started before Galileo, who stated it. Since there is no
absolute references in space-time, there is no absolute coordinate
system--no absolute motion.

For instance there was a report this year that suggested the universe
could be spinning.

Spinning with respect to what?

No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html

WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html

IF it is spinning. It would be with respect to a center.

Bob Clark

you mean axis, but you need
to stay outside to see it

On Sep 25, 3:47 am, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 9/24/11 8:26 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Zero velocity doesn't exist.

My kitchen table has zero velocity with respect to my kitchen.
Whether an object has zero velocity or non-zero velocity strictly
depends on the point of view of the observer.

wrong, the state of the observable

thats the whole point with an observation,
to see whether the observable is moving or not

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On Sep 24, 9:47*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 9/24/11 8:26 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Zero velocity doesn't exist.

* *My kitchen table has zero velocity with respect to my kitchen.
* *Whether an object has zero velocity or non-zero velocity strictly
* *depends on the point of view of the observer.

The fact that you and your kitchen table do not have zero velocity
with respect to the center of the Earth has important and measurable
physical effects, specifically because the Earth is spinning.

Bob Clark


The distance between 2 points "in space" is generally different for all FofR.

I throw a ball at you at v (relative to me) and you run away from me at v.

The distance the ball travels between points A and B is -

For me = vt

For you = vt = 0 * t = 0

There is no absolute FofR, there never has been and there never will be.

On 9/25/11 2:23 AM, Robert Clark wrote:


IF it is spinning. It would be with respect to a center.

Bob Clark

You confuse center of rotation with rotation reference such as
the "fixed stars".

No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html

WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html