Hubble Servicing Mission 4 cancelled?

of the safety pussies! I'm not one of you star gazing nuts :-) but I do
realize the Hubble is the MOST important piece of equipment that the
Shuttle
has put into space today. To not service it due to safety concerns is
really sad.

So how many lives is Hubble worth?

Ehh, it's not like a Shuttle flight is a death sentence. There's a 99% chance
of coming back alive.

But hey, if you're squeamish, launch all the service hardware on an unmanned
Shuttle and send up the service crew later in a couple of Soyuzes. After, send
the Shuttle on a destructive re-entry.

Richard Schumacher wrote:


Ehh, it's not like a Shuttle flight is a death sentence. There's a 99%
chance of coming back alive.

More or less; this is bound to start another statistics debate . . .

But hey, if you're squeamish, launch all the service hardware on an
unmanned
Shuttle and send up the service crew later in a couple of Soyuzes. After,
send the Shuttle on a destructive re-entry.

Of course, Soyuz probably can't reach HST's operating altitude and orbital
inclination from Baikonur.

--
Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D.
Reformed Aerospace Engineer
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Herb Schaltegger lid.retro.com
wrote:
Richard Schumacher wrote:

[...]
But hey, if you're squeamish, launch all the service hardware on an
unmanned
Shuttle and send up the service crew later in a couple of Soyuzes. After,
send the Shuttle on a destructive re-entry.

Of course, Soyuz probably can't reach HST's operating altitude and orbital
inclination from Baikonur.

Launch the Shuttle to the right inclination but low altitude
(especially to low perigee); rendezvous Soyuz to Shuttle. Use OMS to
raise apogee to Hubble height. Rendezvous with scope, service,
lather-and-rinse (oops, wrong procedure), return.

And you'd need 2 Soyuz craft to have enough crew. And if not paranoid
enough already, a 3rd one standing by to backup the crew that gets
launched to Tibet
:-O

Is this mission plan achievable? Expensive, impractical, but
achievable?

/dps

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Herb Schaltegger lid.retro.com
wrote:
Richard Schumacher wrote:

[...]
But hey, if you're squeamish, launch all the service hardware on an
unmanned
Shuttle and send up the service crew later in a couple of Soyuzes. After,
send the Shuttle on a destructive re-entry.

Of course, Soyuz probably can't reach HST's operating altitude and orbital
inclination from Baikonur.

Move HST to ISS.
Service HST.

Can the HST function in ISS's orbit?
How much effort would it be to move HST?

"Thomas Cuny" wrote in message
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Move HST to ISS.
Service HST.

Can the HST function in ISS's orbit?
How much effort would it be to move HST?

Essentially, you'd have to land HST and then
launch it again into ISS orbit. And the only
vehicle capable of that is the Shuttle. (I'm not
even sure if the Shuttle could reach the ISS
orbit with the HST payload.)

It takes a lot of fuel to change your inclination
while in orbit

Bruce

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Herb Schaltegger
lid.retro.com
wrote:
Richard Schumacher wrote:

[...]
But hey, if you're squeamish, launch all the service hardware on an
unmanned
Shuttle and send up the service crew later in a couple of Soyuzes.
After,
send the Shuttle on a destructive re-entry.

Of course, Soyuz probably can't reach HST's operating altitude and
orbital
inclination from Baikonur.

Move HST to ISS.

Can't be done.


Service HST.

Can the HST function in ISS's orbit?
How much effort would it be to move HST?

Far too much.

It would be easier in some ways to de-orbit the thing in a shuttle and
relaunch it to ISS. (in terms of fuel required.)

On 22 Jan 2004 21:07:28 -0800, (Thomas Cuny) wrote:

Can the HST function in ISS's orbit?
How much effort would it be to move HST?

The head of NASA was asked about that at this afternoon's press conference.
Basically, he said it would be difficult and the HST might die before they could
arrange it anyway.

The head of NASA was asked about that at this afternoon's press conference.
Basically, he said it would be difficult and the HST might die before they could
arrange it anyway.

What about using electrical powered engines ? After all time in on our
side in case...

http://tinyurl.com/3drsh

AlexT

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(Alex T) wrote:

The head of NASA was asked about that at this afternoon's press conference.
Basically, he said it would be difficult and the HST might die before they
could
arrange it anyway.

What about using electrical powered engines ? After all time in on our
side in case...

http://tinyurl.com/3drsh

You still have to design the new mover, docking gear, etc etc etc.

It's probably going to cost as much as a shuttle mission. All of which
doesn't address scheduling issues (how sure are we that it could be done
in time).

"Jim Shaffer, Jr." wrote:

The head of NASA was asked about that at this afternoon's press
conference. Basically, he said it would be difficult and the HST might
die before they could arrange it anyway.

And just after Opportunity landed, Weiler, Theisinger and Elachi give
O'Keefe a sign:

http://spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/...5officials.jpg

;-)