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Some people need to have it rubbed in their faces:
http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_dow...pdf/table2.pdf -- courtesy of the SAA "curmudgeon" wrote: can you point to one specific quantifiable change in society? have you seen any statistics or quantitative evidence to back up your claim? if you cant then you have no right to hold your opinion. there is a word for what you a curmudgeon. Henrietta |
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Tim Killian wrote: Some people need to have it rubbed in their faces: http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_dow...pdf/table2.pdf -- courtesy of the SAA "curmudgeon" wrote: can you point to one specific quantifiable change in society? have you seen any statistics or quantitative evidence to back up your claim? if you cant then you have no right to hold your opinion. there is a word for what you a curmudgeon. Henrietta There is a glaring flaw in your logic. The scores start relatively level then during 1972, 73,74 there is a sharp drop then relatively level afterwards. What happened? Did everyone suddenly loose five IQ points or is there some other statistical anomaly at work? Read the little note at the bottom of the page. The measuring post was changed during these years. Knowing this, the document seems to support my argument that people have not changed. The SATs were recentered to REDUCE the average score to 500. this was done in 1995. to warrant this teenagers must necessarily be getting gradually smarter over the years. Do you have anything else? Henrietta |
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Tim Killian wrote:
When was the last time you saw a teenager: 1) build and fly a model airplane or rocket? A few do it in an Aero class in HS. However, our HS has a one semester ground school and a one semester intro to flight training. 2) grind/polish/figure a telescope mirror? Once in a blue moon and always a Dobb. 3) write their own computer program? Completely dropped from curiculum. If I ask students if they know any computer languages they say "I use english on mine" or "What's a computer language?" The school system periodic panics over technology are as capricious as NASA. Back in the 60's they had a lot of us convinced that if we studied science and engineering we would have jobs on the Moon by the time we were 35. Now that we have all the flying cars and robot servants nobody wants to go to the Moon anymore. -- Charlie Springer Old Physicist/New High School Physics Teacher |
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Tim Killian wrote in message ... WARNING ---- Seriously OT here ----- Ah, but SAT scores declined while during the very same period, average high school GPAs increased -- an odd correlation, no? Can you spell g-r-a-d-e i-n-f-l-a-t-i-o-n? I knew you could. Is that "specific quantifiable change" another statistical fluke, or are you simply unable to accept the reality that we're living in a dumbed-down America? The apologists usually claim there is an inherent unfairness with standardized testing (race, social class, hormonal imbalance, etc., etc.), this puts all that claptrap to rest: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/DENYSAT.HTM wrote: Tim Killian wrote: Some people need to have it rubbed in their faces: http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_dow...enior/yr2002/p df/table2.pdf -- courtesy of the SAA "curmudgeon" wrote: can you point to one specific quantifiable change in society? have you seen any statistics or quantitative evidence to back up your claim? if you cant then you have no right to hold your opinion. there is a word for what you a curmudgeon. Henrietta There is a glaring flaw in your logic. The scores start relatively level then during 1972, 73,74 there is a sharp drop then relatively level afterwards. What happened? Did everyone suddenly loose five IQ points or is there some other statistical anomaly at work? Read the little note at the bottom of the page. The measuring post was changed during these years. Knowing this, the document seems to support my argument that people have not changed. The SATs were recentered to REDUCE the average score to 500. this was done in 1995. to warrant this teenagers must necessarily be getting gradually smarter over the years. Do you have anything else? Henrietta I must add a piece of anecdotal evidence here, which is my own personal experience. As a person who went to school on 2 different continents and has now children who go to school on 2 different continents, up to college level now, I must say that indeed our education system is really truly irrevocably dumbed down , below world standards and hopelessly and continuously decaying even further . The whole scale of this phenomenon, both in time and sheer size is so huge that microscopic or local variations can fool individuals and obscure long term trends but the trends are there . If you want to see what high school education should look like, go to other countries, not the USA. best regards, matt tudor |
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Tim Killian wrote: WARNING ---- Seriously OT here ----- Ah, but SAT scores declined while during the very same period, average high school GPAs increased -- an odd correlation, no? Can you spell g-r-a-d-e i-n-f-l-a-t-i-o-n? I knew you could. Is that "specific quantifiable change" another statistical fluke, or are you simply unable to accept the reality that we're living in a dumbed-down America? The apologists usually claim there is an inherent unfairness with standardized testing (race, social class, hormonal imbalance, etc., etc.), this puts all that claptrap to rest: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/DENYSAT.HTM wrote: Tim Killian wrote: Some people need to have it rubbed in their faces: http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_dow...pdf/table2.pdf -- courtesy of the SAA "curmudgeon" wrote: can you point to one specific quantifiable change in society? have you seen any statistics or quantitative evidence to back up your claim? if you cant then you have no right to hold your opinion. there is a word for what you a curmudgeon. Henrietta There is a glaring flaw in your logic. The scores start relatively level then during 1972, 73,74 there is a sharp drop then relatively level afterwards. What happened? Did everyone suddenly loose five IQ points or is there some other statistical anomaly at work? Read the little note at the bottom of the page. The measuring post was changed during these years. Knowing this, the document seems to support my argument that people have not changed. The SATs were recentered to REDUCE the average score to 500. this was done in 1995. to warrant this teenagers must necessarily be getting gradually smarter over the years. Do you have anything else? Henrietta You are not talking about the same subject anymore. In my first rebuttal I agreed that the education system was dummed down. I also agreed that the quality of education has been dropping with budget cuts. I was disagreeing with your statement that teenagers have become lazy and stupid. My first argument was that if education in America were properly funded students would still be doing as well. In other words you are now arguing for my first point. So, I will agree with you now. Henrietta |
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Phil Hawkins wrote: wrote: cericulum cerriculum fandangeld internet, its swell. Spelling not part of the school "curriculum" in your part of the worlde, then? the hard thing about hard work is its hard. no one wants to do it. no one has ever wanted to do it. technology has changed but people have not. can you point to one specific quantifiable change in society? have you seen any statistics or quantitative evidence to back up your claim? if you cant then you have no right to hold your opinion. there is a word for what you a curmudgeon. All letters are lower case to start a sentence! An example of 'dumbed - down', surely? Henrietta You missed the point. I am not talking about the education system. I am talking about people. Thanks to the advent of spell checker no one cares about spelling anymore. Instead we learn things like how to construct and argument and how to point out the flaws in the arguments of others. There is nither the time nor money to teach both. Which is more important: an obsolete skill or something students will actually use? Henrietta |
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