... After Spielberg, who will speak out next?

American dirty game

http://www.americanlynching.com/

Jonathan wrote:

It's going to be spectacular, to see a turning point in human history
live and in hdtv. Where the world stands up and clearly states
...democracy not dictatorship, is the only path to a future
that creates..."One World One Dream".

But what if your 'One World Democracy' degenerates into corruption,
anarchy and chaos, any sort of plan B? Or do you just plan to capitalize
on the fiasco by presenting yourself as the world's foremost complexity
theorist? This 'One World Democracy' thing itself sounds like a sort of
dictatorship on one hand, and outright communism on the other. There is
very little that separates these thing in the human corruption phase
space, and if their distributions become degenerate, there could be
trouble. Do you have some sort of equation or theorem to deal with this?

Just wondering. The Plan B thing.

On Feb 17, 8:31 am, wrote:
American dirty game

http://www.americanlynching.com/

Dirty games is all that's keeping America glued together.

Would you and others in China like to help kick American butt,
especially of those in charge of most everything?
.. - Brad Guth

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:03:14 -0500, "Jonathan"
wrote:


You still don't get it. The international cooperation will serve to
legitimize the communist dictatorship in Beijing. It's....everything
to the CCP that as many foreign institutions be involved as
possible.


Only a ******* like you needs to prove his legitimacy to the world.
The Olympics is a big party and one where top level atheletes get to
strut their stuff. You are invited. We don't care if you are a
*******. You are still welcome. If you chose not to come no one is
going to miss you.

On Feb 17, 1:54*pm, PaPaPeng wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:03:14 -0500, "Jonathan"
wrote:



You still don't get it. The international cooperation will serve to
legitimize the communist dictatorship in Beijing. It's....everything
to the CCP that as *many foreign institutions be involved as
possible.

Only a ******* like you needs to prove his legitimacy to the world.
The Olympics is a big party and one where top level atheletes get to
strut their stuff. *You are invited. *We don't care if you are a
*******. *You are still welcome. If you chose not to come no one is
going to miss you.

With China stem cell research, China help many humen of the whole
world to live not only American, Dafur and others. We have to speak
out that it was US that try to distroy the world include Olympic.

http://www.stemcellschina.com/

We must say no to Spielberg. He will not welcome to be a patient of
stem cell treatment in China because he said no to China by himself.
Human right record in the US can be proved below.

http://www.americanlynching.com/

On Feb 17, 10:14*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Feb 17, 8:31 am, wrote:

American dirty game

http://www.americanlynching.com/

Dirty games is all that's keeping America glued together.

Tell Jonathan this. He still lives in a dream world.


Would you and others in China like to help kick American butt,
especially of those in charge of most everything?
. - Brad Guth

PaPaPeng wrote:


You still don't get it. The international cooperation will serve to
legitimize the communist dictatorship in Beijing. It's....everything
to the CCP that as many foreign institutions be involved as
possible.



Only a ******* like you needs to prove his legitimacy to the world.
The Olympics is a big party and one where top level atheletes get to
strut their stuff. You are invited. We don't care if you are a
*******. You are still welcome. If you chose not to come no one is
going to miss you.


If you let them use telescopic sights they won't miss him at all.
That one used to really crack them up on the Long March.
Here's another one...Trotsky went up to Stalin at a meeting of the Party
and said: "Comrade Stalin, I have a bet with Mikoyan that you won't say
more than two words about me to anyone here."
Stalin turned to Lenin, and said: "Kill him now."
Once again the Great Humorist-Helmsman had shown the matchless caliber
of his wit in no uncertain terms. ;-)

Pat

"kT" wrote in message ...
Jonathan wrote:

It's going to be spectacular, to see a turning point in human history
live and in hdtv. Where the world stands up and clearly states
...democracy not dictatorship, is the only path to a future
that creates..."One World One Dream".

But what if your 'One World Democracy' degenerates into corruption,
anarchy and chaos, any sort of plan B? Or do you just plan to capitalize
on the fiasco by presenting yourself as the world's foremost complexity
theorist? This 'One World Democracy' thing itself sounds like a sort of
dictatorship on one hand, and outright communism on the other. There is
very little that separates these thing in the human corruption phase
space, and if their distributions become degenerate, there could be
trouble. Do you have some sort of equation or theorem to deal with this?


The logic is very simple.

The system structure of a dictatorship almost
guarantees a viscous cycle towards complete
self destruction. Generally taking most of its
people and that part of the world ...with it.
I need only to point to the wars of the last century
as clear evidence of this ...established fact.

The system structure, in the ideal, of a democracy
or free market system has the strong tendency
for spontaneous order, vastly nested self correcting
mechanisms, and a direction over time towards
more stability and prosperity.

One system structure is man-made, and gives us
one horror after another and a very dark future.

An adaptive structure as in democracy has a future
equally as bright as dictatorships are dark.

I also see the evils that can result at the hands of people.

So we should place our faith is nature, and build
societies that are evolving following the just and wise
fundamental laws of the universe, instead of dying
at the hands of a few self appointed sociopaths.

I see China as the key for two reasons.
It's immense size, power and rigid political
system make it very brittle and fragile under
certain circumstances. Just the kind
of circumstances coming this August
to Beijing. And as the CCP falls, so well
most of the remaining dictatorships.



Just wondering. The Plan B thing.


There is only one plan. If it fails now it will succeed
later. And that plan is simply to imagine what
Utopia should be, and then constantly search
for the path from our present reality to that
ideal future.

I say nature, as expressed through Darwinian evolution
shows us the best possible process within with
we should owe our existance to. You have to
have faith in the properties of nature.

For instance, one property is that change tends
to follow a power law distribution of events.
Which, like earthquakes, tends to have many
minor changes combined with the rare 'big one'.

These Olympics ...could be...a big one.
Where the world suddenly evolves from man made
to naturally evolving societies. Maybe the last chance
for some time.

Of course, we can never predict exactly what will happen
in the immediate aftermath of an earthquake or a
Great Wall Falling. We must have faith that sooner
is always better than later with destructive
viscous cycles. If we wish to benefit from
the lessons of nature, we can't be afraid of
letting it takes its course.




s

Jonathan wrote:
"kT" wrote in message ...
Jonathan wrote:

It's going to be spectacular, to see a turning point in human history
live and in hdtv. Where the world stands up and clearly states
...democracy not dictatorship, is the only path to a future
that creates..."One World One Dream".
But what if your 'One World Democracy' degenerates into corruption,
anarchy and chaos, any sort of plan B? Or do you just plan to capitalize
on the fiasco by presenting yourself as the world's foremost complexity
theorist? This 'One World Democracy' thing itself sounds like a sort of
dictatorship on one hand, and outright communism on the other. There is
very little that separates these thing in the human corruption phase
space, and if their distributions become degenerate, there could be
trouble. Do you have some sort of equation or theorem to deal with this?


The logic is very simple.

The system structure of a dictatorship almost
guarantees a viscous cycle towards complete
self destruction. Generally taking most of its
people and that part of the world ...with it.
I need only to point to the wars of the last century
as clear evidence of this ...established fact.

Then you should have no problem quantifying this into equations, being
the world renowned complexity theorist that you are. Equations please.

The system structure, in the ideal, of a democracy
or free market system has the strong tendency
for spontaneous order, vastly nested self correcting
mechanisms, and a direction over time towards
more stability and prosperity.

Again, equations only please.

One system structure is man-made, and gives us
one horror after another and a very dark future.

So far so good.

An adaptive structure as in democracy has a future
equally as bright as dictatorships are dark.

Well, I don't see any quantitative relationship, and you haven't
assigned any values to any of your definitions as yet, quite the
contrary, you haven't even defined anything yet in numeric terms.

I also see the evils that can result at the hands of people.

I'm following you there.

So we should place our faith is nature, and build
societies that are evolving following the just and wise
fundamental laws of the universe, instead of dying
at the hands of a few self appointed sociopaths.

These laws are quantitative, but all you present are vagaries.

I see China as the key for two reasons.
It's immense size, power and rigid political
system make it very brittle and fragile under
certain circumstances. Just the kind
of circumstances coming this August
to Beijing. And as the CCP falls, so well
most of the remaining dictatorships.

But I have no idea what you are talking about since you haven't taken
the time to define anything or assigned any values to your definitions.

That is a fundamental prerequisite for any equations or theorems that
follow.

Just wondering. The Plan B thing.


There is only one plan.

Not good. But at least you've quantified it.

If it fails now it will succeed
later. And that plan is simply to imagine what
Utopia should be, and then constantly search
for the path from our present reality to that
ideal future.

I say nature, as expressed through Darwinian evolution
shows us the best possible process within with
we should owe our existance to. You have to
have faith in the properties of nature.

For instance, one property is that change tends
to follow a power law distribution of events.
Which, like earthquakes, tends to have many
minor changes combined with the rare 'big one'.

These Olympics ...could be...a big one.
Where the world suddenly evolves from man made
to naturally evolving societies. Maybe the last chance
for some time.

Of course, we can never predict exactly what will happen
in the immediate aftermath of an earthquake or a
Great Wall Falling. We must have faith that sooner
is always better than later with destructive
viscous cycles. If we wish to benefit from
the lessons of nature, we can't be afraid of
letting it takes its course.

You lost me there. I'll just wait for your equations, solve them myself,
and then see where the solutions take me, whenever you get around to it.

Jonathan wrote:
"kT" wrote in message ...

Jonathan wrote:


It's going to be spectacular, to see a turning point in human history
live and in hdtv. Where the world stands up and clearly states
...democracy not dictatorship, is the only path to a future
that creates..."One World One Dream".

But what if your 'One World Democracy' degenerates into corruption,
anarchy and chaos, any sort of plan B? Or do you just plan to capitalize
on the fiasco by presenting yourself as the world's foremost complexity
theorist? This 'One World Democracy' thing itself sounds like a sort of
dictatorship on one hand, and outright communism on the other. There is
very little that separates these thing in the human corruption phase
space, and if their distributions become degenerate, there could be
trouble. Do you have some sort of equation or theorem to deal with this?



The logic is very simple.

The system structure of a dictatorship almost
guarantees a viscous cycle towards complete
self destruction. Generally taking most of its
people and that part of the world ...with it.
I need only to point to the wars of the last century
as clear evidence of this ...established fact.

The system structure, in the ideal,

There - in that simple passing phrase "in the ideal" is where your
entire argument (slim enough as it is) disappears up its own ass...

And - besides - no comparison between the life span of democracy and
authoritarianism/totalitarianism/empire can be useful, since democracy -
as such - is so young, and dictatorship so old. If one looks at the
world's democracies one sees not the ideal you so vaguely describe but a
continuum that runs from systems you might well consider socialist to
ones that I consider at least proto-fascist. That would be the U.S. And
in fact nations that were considered democracies (with sometimes long
histories of cultural and societal enlightenment) have fallen into
fascism, and it didn't take all that much. Economic disaster for one.
Germany - as one example. You might have heard of it? During the Great
Depression, many nations either did fall or were near to falling into
fascism, or communism. That would include the U.S. where only FDR's
swift co-option of certain socialist goals saved this country from very
likely becoming one of those communist places you so ineptly illustrate.
You place far too much trust in a Disney version of democracy, and -
in doing so - fail to be convincing in most of your arguments. In recent
decades, the Constitution of the U.S. has been under almost continuous
attack from the very government which is meant to secure it, and -
frankly - it is looking a bit more ragged than just its age would
account for.

The result of the Olypmic broadcasts? A few sports stories at the water
cooler, and (now and then) a little discussion about how pretty the
fireworks were. Maybe a steroid scandal - which would entirely bury any
small portion of your predicted "explosion of democratic zeal" under
weeks and maybe months of ethical handwringing.

You're deluded...

dmh