First Stage Impact Points?

"Dr J R Stockton" wrote in
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In sci.space.history message orfairbairn-D4DCA8.20122504072012@70-3-168
-216.pools.spcsdns.net, Wed, 4 Jul 2012 20:12:25, Orval Fairbairn
posted:

In article
,
bob haller wrote:

Also found a description, with detailed Lat and Long, of the Apollo 11
launch that left debris on the deck of a German ship.

i bet those apollo 11 debris would be worth big bucks today. as being
the only remaining part of the flight flown apollo 11 not in a museum

The LM descent stage still rests on the lunar surface.

Likewise, it seems, the ascent stage debris.


And the S-IVB is out there somewhere, not to mention the SLA panels.
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."

On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:21:42 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

do note that gus grissoms capsule was recovered and restored. its a
museum display today....

Liberty Bell 7 safely splashed down in the ocean and Grissom got out.
It sank afterwards.

Saturn V stages did not descend on parachutes.

Brian

On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 15:13:31 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:


do note that gus grissoms capsule was worth recovering even though it
wasnt part of the first manned moon landing ever....

Because it was intact. The Saturn stages are not. Ignoring the reports
that the Saturn first stages had already broken apart before hitting
the ocean, hitting the ocean on parachutes is much gentler than
hitting without. For comparison, look at the difference between
Genesis (parachutes failed) and Stardust (successful parachute
touchdown) albeit on land. Or the fact that STS-4's SRBs were
destroyed at splashdown because of parachute failure while all the
other (excepting 51-L's) SRBs were recovered and reused.

Brian

In article a6515775-8310-445b-96b7-b5ccbe35433f@
37g2000yqu.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jul 6, 3:48*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

do note that gus grissoms capsule was recovered and restored. its a
museum display today....

Do note that gus grissoms capsule is not a bit of booster that's
broken off....

do note that gus grissoms capsule was worth recovering even though it
wasnt part of the first manned moon landing ever.... sad they didnt
get the capsules door.....

It was a manned capsule. Furthermore, it wasn't supposed to sink like
that. Recovery of the capsule was important as it was thought it might
answer the question as to why "the hatch blew" and the capsule sank. As
such, it was historically important.

Bits of broken rocket stages aren't nearly as historically important.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

On Jul 9, 8:51*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article a6515775-8310-445b-96b7-b5ccbe35433f@
37g2000yqu.googlegroups.com, says...



On Jul 6, 3:48*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

do note that gus grissoms capsule was recovered and restored. its a
museum display today....

Do note that gus grissoms capsule is not a bit of booster that's
broken off....

do note that gus grissoms capsule was worth recovering even though it
wasnt part of the first manned moon landing ever.... sad they didnt
get the capsules door.....

It was a manned capsule. *Furthermore, it wasn't supposed to sink like
that. *Recovery of the capsule was important as it was thought it might
answer the question as to why "the hatch blew" and the capsule sank. *As
such, it was historically important.

Bits of broken rocket stages aren't nearly as historically important.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
* up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
* *- tinker

so how many original flown parts of apollo 11 exist anywhere but
museums?

recovery using private funds is a win win for everyone

In article
,
bob haller wrote:

On Jul 9, 8:51*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article a6515775-8310-445b-96b7-b5ccbe35433f@
37g2000yqu.googlegroups.com, says...



On Jul 6, 3:48*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

do note that gus grissoms capsule was recovered and restored. its a
museum display today....

Do note that gus grissoms capsule is not a bit of booster that's
broken off....

do note that gus grissoms capsule was worth recovering even though it
wasnt part of the first manned moon landing ever.... sad they didnt
get the capsules door.....

It was a manned capsule. *Furthermore, it wasn't supposed to sink like
that. *Recovery of the capsule was important as it was thought it might
answer the question as to why "the hatch blew" and the capsule sank. *As
such, it was historically important.

Bits of broken rocket stages aren't nearly as historically important.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
* up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
* *- tinker

so how many original flown parts of apollo 11 exist anywhere but
museums?

recovery using private funds is a win win for everyone

Some are on the Moon.

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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In article
,
bob haller wrote:

On Jul 9, 8:51 am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article a6515775-8310-445b-96b7-b5ccbe35433f@
37g2000yqu.googlegroups.com, says...



On Jul 6, 3:48 am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

do note that gus grissoms capsule was recovered and restored. its
a
museum display today....

Do note that gus grissoms capsule is not a bit of booster that's
broken off....

do note that gus grissoms capsule was worth recovering even though it
wasnt part of the first manned moon landing ever.... sad they didnt
get the capsules door.....

It was a manned capsule. Furthermore, it wasn't supposed to sink like
that. Recovery of the capsule was important as it was thought it might
answer the question as to why "the hatch blew" and the capsule sank. As
such, it was historically important.

Bits of broken rocket stages aren't nearly as historically important.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

so how many original flown parts of apollo 11 exist anywhere but
museums?

recovery using private funds is a win win for everyone

Some are on the Moon.


Apart from the bits Andy Griffith brought back.
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."

In article e2a434c6-92c0-46a3-a91f-a259f68037d7
@o4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jul 9, 8:51*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
Bits of broken rocket stages aren't nearly as historically
important.

so how many original flown parts of apollo 11 exist anywhere but
museums?

The point is that all the *important* bits are *already* in museums, or
are currently completely inaccessible to museums (lunar surface, solar
orbit, and etc.).

recovery using private funds is a win win for everyone

Only if a museum can't find something better to display. Even for
museums, it's about displaying artifacts that bring in visitors.
Without visitors, and their money, museums die.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

In article orfairbairn-692A86.22410809072012@70-3-168-
216.pools.spcsdns.net, says...

In article
,
bob haller wrote:

On Jul 9, 8:51*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article a6515775-8310-445b-96b7-b5ccbe35433f@
37g2000yqu.googlegroups.com, says...



On Jul 6, 3:48*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

do note that gus grissoms capsule was recovered and restored. its a
museum display today....

Do note that gus grissoms capsule is not a bit of booster that's
broken off....

do note that gus grissoms capsule was worth recovering even though it
wasnt part of the first manned moon landing ever.... sad they didnt
get the capsules door.....

It was a manned capsule. *Furthermore, it wasn't supposed to sink like
that. *Recovery of the capsule was important as it was thought it might
answer the question as to why "the hatch blew" and the capsule sank. *As
such, it was historically important.

Bits of broken rocket stages aren't nearly as historically important.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
* up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
* *- tinker

so how many original flown parts of apollo 11 exist anywhere but
museums?

recovery using private funds is a win win for everyone

Some are on the Moon.

And I would hope they stay there. They're being quite well preserved
sitting on the earth facing side of our airless moon on what any sane
person would consider a historical site that should not be disturbed.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

recovery using private funds is a win win for everyone

Only if a museum can't find something better to display. *Even for
museums, it's about displaying artifacts that bring in visitors.
Without visitors, and their money, museums die.

Jeff

I rather imagine the museum/s putting up the money for recovery know
what will bring in more visitors?

and stuff on the ocean floor will eventually disappear forever having
been worn away under water or attacked in any number of ways. they say
in another hundred years nothing will remain of the titanic where it
sunk.

If you think undeseas recovery is expensive just wait till someone
tries to recover LM snoopy, presumably still in heliospheric orbit
somewhere.