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Solutions to the Japanese nuclear crisis? (Rating *****)
On Mar 29, 8:36*pm, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 29, 7:14*pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Mar 29, 6:45*pm, bob haller wrote: On Mar 29, 6:36*pm, Brian Thorn wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:56:29 -0700 (PDT), bob haller wrote: Consumers worldwide will avoid buying japanes made goods from japan for fear they may be buying radioactive merchandise. Even if all expoorts are tested sales will be poor Most people don't know what's Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese, etc. anymore. Brian this will bring country of origin to big note What a bunch of nonsense over a non-crisis. *The long term consequences will be nearly zero. *Do some reading before you guys post such BS. I challenge your statement. Long term issues Customers acceptance of products from a area thats radioactive espically with pluntonium. people will fear they are getting a glow in the dark whatever. higher cancer rates worldwide, if they go up after this lawyers will win big time suing tokyo power and the country for allowing whats clearly a unsafe plant Japans nuke accident clean up costs, these will go on forever Short and long term costs for japan and the world to close unsafe nuke plants or those in danger areas, note thats most of the plants worldwide Long term added costs to put all spent cores in dry cask storage quickly and get those cores away from operating plants, where their in danger if the plant malfunctions.or attacks by terrorists long term storage issues for nuke waste, no one will want it where they are. Yucca mountain is a great example of not in my backyard, although there are other issues too. Effects to GE for building a cheap plant that failed to take into account known safety issues. Like designing for a 18 foot sunami when historical info indicated one twice the height was possible. It will cost too much to build for that severity this will be fine..... bad design decision Now if the plant fully melts down all of these and far more Americans will likely be encouraged or ordered to remain indoors for a week or more.Think improvised fallout shelters. There will be widespread panic lawness stick ups, runs on stores hoarding traffic jams as people try to get to areas believed safer. I hope none of this occurs but some certinally will. Incidently news just reported 2 japanese workers got drenched with radioactive water today. Sooner or later that plant will be entomed Long term to most of these bogus/ghost contributors is meaningless as long as they don't have to look at or smell rotting human flesh. Apparently human biological mutations via radiation don't exist for those public funded and/or covering for some faith-based cult/cabal like their Skull and Bones that's Rothschild approved and funded. http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
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Solutions to the Japanese nuclear crisis?
If you're going to the trouble to move them out via sea barge, then
"sail" them out over the nearby Marianas Trench and just sink the barge. Dave |
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Solutions to the Japanese nuclear crisis?
On Mar 30, 7:40*am, David Spain wrote:
If you're going to the trouble to move them out via sea barge, then "sail" them out over the nearby Marianas Trench and just sink the barge. Dave moving a leaking highly radioactive containment is goig to be somewhere between difficult to impossible, no doubt closest to imossible |
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Solutions to the Japanese nuclear crisis?
On Mar 30, 6:03*am, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 30, 7:40*am, David Spain wrote: If you're going to the trouble to move them out via sea barge, then "sail" them out over the nearby Marianas Trench and just sink the barge.. Dave moving a leaking highly radioactive containment is goig to be somewhere between difficult to impossible, no doubt closest to imossible Sad but true, it's going from seriously bad to worse. And to think that their opera fat lady hasn't even started to sing the closing number. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...uclear-reactor http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
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Solutions to the Japanese nuclear crisis?
I think the first thing is change the decision maker because Japanese
or Asians are not good at crisis management. They delay and lie. Creative solution can solve the problem by some one with guts not greed. I just worry about hesitation and greed that lead mankind to the end of the world if the plant continue damaging the sea and all fishes contaminated after weeks of radiation. Fishes swim across the ocean and will contaminate other organism and finally no foods for us. Shortage of food will finally leads to war. Using Robots to work can be safer and a water pipe line system by passing the heating core and leads to cooling pool can be temporarily a solution. cwwinson |
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Solutions to the Japanese nuclear crisis? (Topic Rating *****)
On Mar 31, 2:34*am, winno wrote:
I think the first thing is change the decision maker because Japanese or Asians are not good at crisis management. They delay and lie. Creative solution can solve the problem by some one with guts not greed. I just worry about hesitation and greed that lead mankind to the end of the world if the plant continue damaging the sea and all fishes contaminated after weeks of radiation. Fishes swim across the ocean and will contaminate other organism and finally no foods for us. Shortage of food will finally leads to war. Using Robots to *work can be safer and a water pipe line system by passing the heating core and leads to cooling pool can be temporarily a solution. cwwinson It has obviously been a whole lot worse off than reported from the very get-go. At this point it’s a no-win kind of situation, of happenstance damage-control and taking the least evil path. “Dangerous Levels of Radioactive Isotope Found 25 Miles From Nuclear Plant” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/wo...an.html?src=mv Perhaps if there were basic IR images of each reactor (easily obtained via ground or helicopter), they'd show us petty much exactly what the reactor vessel and spent-fuel situation is at each unit. Since those IR images are not being made available, it must be considerably worse then we're being told. (same reason or dysfunctional logic of obfuscation as to why portable deployed geiger counters that would have given us live readings posted directly to the internet, as such also haven’t been allowed, means it’s much worse than reported) "Japan may have lost race to save nuclear reactor" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...uclear-reactor Reactor No.2 is in terminal meltdown. No objective evidence (not even IR imaging) to suggest that No.3 isn’t headed down the same path of no return, along with No.1 and even the spent fuel of No.4 and all others soon to follow the same path of no return. Perhaps what’s needed is more like a few dozen local pipe welders/ cutters that could make those massive reactor vessels and their spent fuel cores ready for towing, using mile long cables and powerful ships could drag those nasty red-hot glowing things right off their foundations, over and through whatever else is in their way, and out to sea. So, at worst we’re talking about knowingly sacrificing a few dozen brave souls in order to save millions, and as bad or immoral as that may sound, it seems a viable trade off. Humans (mostly lower caste civilians and those that enlist) have been knowingly sacrificed for far less, even mutually perpetrated and/or bogus wars started and sustained as based entirely on bogus/false data and ulterior motives of the rich and powerful, such as over greed, bully arrogance (including government job security), ethnic cleansing and otherwise just for your basic hoarding and global domination rights so as to directly benefit the rich and powerful at the demise of as many lower caste as it takes. So how is this multiple reactor meltdown situation any different or less worthy of human sacrifice? At roughly twice as bad as Chernobyl, and only getting worse: “The international team, using a measure of radioactivity called the becquerel, found as much as 3.7 million becquerels per square meter; the standard used at Chernobyl was 1.48 million.” The options are at best grim. Perhaps the price for producing plutonium and other extremely valuable elements has finally shown its true face that looks exactly like the grim reaper, in that 90% of what we get to pay for nuclear energy is what creating the seriously bad stuff demands, and this has been well known from the very beginning, that us electrical energy consumers are basically paying for everything that’s mostly intended for the mass production of weapons grade plutonium, plus a few other elements that are in high demand by those which we energy consumers and tax payers have absolutely no control over. http://translate.google.com/# Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
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On Mar 31, 6:48*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:34*am, winno wrote: I think the first thing is change the decision maker because Japanese or Asians are not good at crisis management. They delay and lie. Creative solution can solve the problem by some one with guts not greed. I just worry about hesitation and greed that lead mankind to the end of the world if the plant continue damaging the sea and all fishes contaminated after weeks of radiation. Fishes swim across the ocean and will contaminate other organism and finally no foods for us. Shortage of food will finally leads to war. Using Robots to *work can be safer and a water pipe line system by passing the heating core and leads to cooling pool can be temporarily a solution. cwwinson It has obviously been a whole lot worse off than reported from the very get-go. *At this point it’s a no-win kind of situation, of happenstance damage-control and taking the least evil path. “Dangerous Levels of Radioactive Isotope Found 25 Miles From Nuclear Plant” *http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/wo...an.html?src=mv *Perhaps if there were basic IR images of each reactor (easily obtained via ground or helicopter), they'd show us petty much exactly what the reactor vessel and spent-fuel situation is at each unit. Since those IR images are not being made available, it must be considerably worse then we're being told. (same reason or dysfunctional logic of obfuscation as to why portable deployed geiger counters that would have given us live readings posted directly to the internet, as such also haven’t been allowed, means it’s much worse than reported) "Japan may have lost race to save nuclear reactor"http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/japan-lost-race-save-nucl... *Reactor No.2 is in terminal meltdown. *No objective evidence (not even IR imaging) to suggest that No.3 isn’t headed down the same path of no return, along with No.1 and even the spent fuel of No.4 and all others soon to follow the same path of no return. Perhaps what’s needed is more like a few dozen local pipe welders/ cutters that could make those massive reactor vessels and their spent fuel cores ready for towing, using mile long cables and powerful ships could drag those nasty red-hot glowing things right off their foundations, over and through whatever else is in their way, and out to sea. So, at worst we’re talking about knowingly sacrificing a few dozen brave souls in order to save millions, and as bad or immoral as that may sound, it seems a viable trade off. *Humans (mostly lower caste civilians and those that enlist) have been knowingly sacrificed for far less, even mutually perpetrated and/or bogus wars started and sustained as based entirely on bogus/false data and ulterior motives of the rich and powerful, such as over greed, bully arrogance (including government job security), ethnic cleansing and otherwise just for your basic hoarding and global domination rights so as to directly benefit the rich and powerful at the demise of as many lower caste as it takes. *So how is this multiple reactor meltdown situation any different or less worthy of human sacrifice? At roughly twice as bad as Chernobyl, and only getting worse: “The international team, using a measure of radioactivity called the becquerel, found as much as 3.7 million becquerels per square meter; the standard used at Chernobyl was 1.48 million.” *The options are at best grim. Perhaps the price for producing plutonium and other extremely valuable elements has finally shown its true face that looks exactly like the grim reaper, in that 90% of what we get to pay for nuclear energy is what creating the seriously bad stuff demands, and this has been well known from the very beginning, that us electrical energy consumers are basically paying for everything that’s mostly intended for the mass production of weapons grade plutonium, plus a few other elements that are in high demand by those which we energy consumers and tax payers have absolutely no control over. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Japan haas done their best to cover up what they could. Just yesterday they finally admitted the reactors that were pumped with ocean water are scrap. Heck everyone knew that from the firsty salt water injection. |
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Solutions to the Japanese nuclear crisis? (Topic Rating *****)
On Mar 31, 10:04*am, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 31, 6:48*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Mar 31, 2:34*am, winno wrote: I think the first thing is change the decision maker because Japanese or Asians are not good at crisis management. They delay and lie. Creative solution can solve the problem by some one with guts not greed. I just worry about hesitation and greed that lead mankind to the end of the world if the plant continue damaging the sea and all fishes contaminated after weeks of radiation. Fishes swim across the ocean and will contaminate other organism and finally no foods for us. Shortage of food will finally leads to war. Using Robots to *work can be safer and a water pipe line system by passing the heating core and leads to cooling pool can be temporarily a solution. cwwinson It has obviously been a whole lot worse off than reported from the very get-go. *At this point it’s a no-win kind of situation, of happenstance damage-control and taking the least evil path. “Dangerous Levels of Radioactive Isotope Found 25 Miles From Nuclear Plant” *http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/wo...an.html?src=mv *Perhaps if there were basic IR images of each reactor (easily obtained via ground or helicopter), they'd show us petty much exactly what the reactor vessel and spent-fuel situation is at each unit. Since those IR images are not being made available, it must be considerably worse then we're being told. (same reason or dysfunctional logic of obfuscation as to why portable deployed geiger counters that would have given us live readings posted directly to the internet, as such also haven’t been allowed, means it’s much worse than reported) "Japan may have lost race to save nuclear reactor"http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/japan-lost-race-save-nucl... *Reactor No.2 is in terminal meltdown. *No objective evidence (not even IR imaging) to suggest that No.3 isn’t headed down the same path of no return, along with No.1 and even the spent fuel of No.4 and all others soon to follow the same path of no return. Perhaps what’s needed is more like a few dozen local pipe welders/ cutters that could make those massive reactor vessels and their spent fuel cores ready for towing, using mile long cables and powerful ships could drag those nasty red-hot glowing things right off their foundations, over and through whatever else is in their way, and out to sea. So, at worst we’re talking about knowingly sacrificing a few dozen brave souls in order to save millions, and as bad or immoral as that may sound, it seems a viable trade off. *Humans (mostly lower caste civilians and those that enlist) have been knowingly sacrificed for far less, even mutually perpetrated and/or bogus wars started and sustained as based entirely on bogus/false data and ulterior motives of the rich and powerful, such as over greed, bully arrogance (including government job security), ethnic cleansing and otherwise just for your basic hoarding and global domination rights so as to directly benefit the rich and powerful at the demise of as many lower caste as it takes. *So how is this multiple reactor meltdown situation any different or less worthy of human sacrifice? At roughly twice as bad as Chernobyl, and only getting worse: “The international team, using a measure of radioactivity called the becquerel, found as much as 3.7 million becquerels per square meter; the standard used at Chernobyl was 1.48 million.” *The options are at best grim. Perhaps the price for producing plutonium and other extremely valuable elements has finally shown its true face that looks exactly like the grim reaper, in that 90% of what we get to pay for nuclear energy is what creating the seriously bad stuff demands, and this has been well known from the very beginning, that us electrical energy consumers are basically paying for everything that’s mostly intended for the mass production of weapons grade plutonium, plus a few other elements that are in high demand by those which we energy consumers and tax payers have absolutely no control over. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Japan haas done their best to cover up what they could. Just yesterday they finally admitted the reactors that were pumped with ocean water are scrap. Heck everyone knew that from the firsty salt water injection.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake |
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Solutions to the Japanese nuclear crisis? (Topic Rating *****)
On Mar 31, 10:13*am, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 31, 10:04*am, bob haller wrote: On Mar 31, 6:48*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Mar 31, 2:34*am, winno wrote: I think the first thing is change the decision maker because Japanese or Asians are not good at crisis management. They delay and lie. Creative solution can solve the problem by some one with guts not greed. I just worry about hesitation and greed that lead mankind to the end of the world if the plant continue damaging the sea and all fishes contaminated after weeks of radiation. Fishes swim across the ocean and will contaminate other organism and finally no foods for us. Shortage of food will finally leads to war.. Using Robots to *work can be safer and a water pipe line system by passing the heating core and leads to cooling pool can be temporarily a solution. cwwinson It has obviously been a whole lot worse off than reported from the very get-go. *At this point it’s a no-win kind of situation, of happenstance damage-control and taking the least evil path. “Dangerous Levels of Radioactive Isotope Found 25 Miles From Nuclear Plant” *http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/wo...an.html?src=mv *Perhaps if there were basic IR images of each reactor (easily obtained via ground or helicopter), they'd show us petty much exactly what the reactor vessel and spent-fuel situation is at each unit. Since those IR images are not being made available, it must be considerably worse then we're being told. (same reason or dysfunctional logic of obfuscation as to why portable deployed geiger counters that would have given us live readings posted directly to the internet, as such also haven’t been allowed, means it’s much worse than reported) "Japan may have lost race to save nuclear reactor"http://www.guardian..co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/japan-lost-race-save-nucl... *Reactor No.2 is in terminal meltdown. *No objective evidence (not even IR imaging) to suggest that No.3 isn’t headed down the same path of no return, along with No.1 and even the spent fuel of No.4 and all others soon to follow the same path of no return. Perhaps what’s needed is more like a few dozen local pipe welders/ cutters that could make those massive reactor vessels and their spent fuel cores ready for towing, using mile long cables and powerful ships could drag those nasty red-hot glowing things right off their foundations, over and through whatever else is in their way, and out to sea. So, at worst we’re talking about knowingly sacrificing a few dozen brave souls in order to save millions, and as bad or immoral as that may sound, it seems a viable trade off. *Humans (mostly lower caste civilians and those that enlist) have been knowingly sacrificed for far less, even mutually perpetrated and/or bogus wars started and sustained as based entirely on bogus/false data and ulterior motives of the rich and powerful, such as over greed, bully arrogance (including government job security), ethnic cleansing and otherwise just for your basic hoarding and global domination rights so as to directly benefit the rich and powerful at the demise of as many lower caste as it takes. *So how is this multiple reactor meltdown situation any different or less worthy of human sacrifice? At roughly twice as bad as Chernobyl, and only getting worse: “The international team, using a measure of radioactivity called the becquerel, found as much as 3.7 million becquerels per square meter; the standard used at Chernobyl was 1.48 million.” *The options are at best grim. Perhaps the price for producing plutonium and other extremely valuable elements has finally shown its true face that looks exactly like the grim reaper, in that 90% of what we get to pay for nuclear energy is what creating the seriously bad stuff demands, and this has been well known from the very beginning, that us electrical energy consumers are basically paying for everything that’s mostly intended for the mass production of weapons grade plutonium, plus a few other elements that are in high demand by those which we energy consumers and tax payers have absolutely no control over. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Japan haas done their best to cover up what they could. Just yesterday they finally admitted the reactors that were pumped with ocean water are scrap. Heck everyone knew that from the firsty salt water injection.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - looks like entombment is coming http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...yndication=rss |
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On Mar 31, 7:04*am, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 31, 6:48*am, Brad Guth wrote: On Mar 31, 2:34*am, winno wrote: I think the first thing is change the decision maker because Japanese or Asians are not good at crisis management. They delay and lie. Creative solution can solve the problem by some one with guts not greed. I just worry about hesitation and greed that lead mankind to the end of the world if the plant continue damaging the sea and all fishes contaminated after weeks of radiation. Fishes swim across the ocean and will contaminate other organism and finally no foods for us. Shortage of food will finally leads to war. Using Robots to *work can be safer and a water pipe line system by passing the heating core and leads to cooling pool can be temporarily a solution. cwwinson It has obviously been a whole lot worse off than reported from the very get-go. *At this point it’s a no-win kind of situation, of happenstance damage-control and taking the least evil path. “Dangerous Levels of Radioactive Isotope Found 25 Miles From Nuclear Plant” *http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/wo...an.html?src=mv *Perhaps if there were basic IR images of each reactor (easily obtained via ground or helicopter), they'd show us petty much exactly what the reactor vessel and spent-fuel situation is at each unit. Since those IR images are not being made available, it must be considerably worse then we're being told. (same reason or dysfunctional logic of obfuscation as to why portable deployed geiger counters that would have given us live readings posted directly to the internet, as such also haven’t been allowed, means it’s much worse than reported) "Japan may have lost race to save nuclear reactor"http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/japan-lost-race-save-nucl... *Reactor No.2 is in terminal meltdown. *No objective evidence (not even IR imaging) to suggest that No.3 isn’t headed down the same path of no return, along with No.1 and even the spent fuel of No.4 and all others soon to follow the same path of no return. Perhaps what’s needed is more like a few dozen local pipe welders/ cutters that could make those massive reactor vessels and their spent fuel cores ready for towing, using mile long cables and powerful ships could drag those nasty red-hot glowing things right off their foundations, over and through whatever else is in their way, and out to sea. So, at worst we’re talking about knowingly sacrificing a few dozen brave souls in order to save millions, and as bad or immoral as that may sound, it seems a viable trade off. *Humans (mostly lower caste civilians and those that enlist) have been knowingly sacrificed for far less, even mutually perpetrated and/or bogus wars started and sustained as based entirely on bogus/false data and ulterior motives of the rich and powerful, such as over greed, bully arrogance (including government job security), ethnic cleansing and otherwise just for your basic hoarding and global domination rights so as to directly benefit the rich and powerful at the demise of as many lower caste as it takes. *So how is this multiple reactor meltdown situation any different or less worthy of human sacrifice? At roughly twice as bad as Chernobyl, and only getting worse: “The international team, using a measure of radioactivity called the becquerel, found as much as 3.7 million becquerels per square meter; the standard used at Chernobyl was 1.48 million.” *The options are at best grim. Perhaps the price for producing plutonium and other extremely valuable elements has finally shown its true face that looks exactly like the grim reaper, in that 90% of what we get to pay for nuclear energy is what creating the seriously bad stuff demands, and this has been well known from the very beginning, that us electrical energy consumers are basically paying for everything that’s mostly intended for the mass production of weapons grade plutonium, plus a few other elements that are in high demand by those which we energy consumers and tax payers have absolutely no control over. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Japan haas done their best to cover up what they could. Just yesterday they finally admitted the reactors that were pumped with ocean water are scrap. Heck everyone knew that from the firsty salt water injection. Exactly, although most of the primary reactor vessel and its plumbing isn't trashed unless that seawater is turned into superheated steam that's moving at great velocity and thus eroding and/or corroding everything in its path. |
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