Solutions to the Japanese nuclear crisis?

On Mar 31, 7:36*am, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 31, 10:13*am, bob haller wrote:



On Mar 31, 10:04*am, bob haller wrote:

On Mar 31, 6:48*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Mar 31, 2:34*am, winno wrote:

I think the first thing is change the decision maker because Japanese
or Asians are not good at crisis management. They delay and lie.

Creative solution can solve the problem by some one with guts not
greed.

I just worry about hesitation and greed that lead mankind to the end
of the world if the plant continue damaging the sea and all fishes
contaminated after weeks of radiation.

Fishes swim across the ocean and will contaminate other organism and
finally no foods for us. Shortage of food will finally leads to war.

Using Robots to *work can be safer and a water pipe line system by
passing the heating core and leads to cooling pool can be temporarily
a solution.

cwwinson

It has obviously been a whole lot worse off than reported from the
very get-go. *At this point it’s a no-win kind of situation, of
happenstance damage-control and taking the least evil path.

“Dangerous Levels of Radioactive Isotope Found 25 Miles From Nuclear
Plant”
*http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/wo...an.html?src=mv

*Perhaps if there were basic IR images of each reactor (easily
obtained via ground or helicopter), they'd show us petty much exactly
what the reactor vessel and spent-fuel situation is at each unit.
Since those IR images are not being made available, it must be
considerably worse then we're being told. (same reason or
dysfunctional logic of obfuscation as to why portable deployed geiger
counters that would have given us live readings posted directly to the
internet, as such also haven’t been allowed, means it’s much worse
than reported)

"Japan may have lost race to save nuclear reactor"http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/japan-lost-race-save-nucl...
*Reactor No.2 is in terminal meltdown. *No objective evidence (not
even IR imaging) to suggest that No.3 isn’t headed down the same path
of no return, along with No.1 and even the spent fuel of No.4 and all
others soon to follow the same path of no return.

Perhaps what’s needed is more like a few dozen local pipe welders/
cutters that could make those massive reactor vessels and their spent
fuel cores ready for towing, using mile long cables and powerful ships
could drag those nasty red-hot glowing things right off their
foundations, over and through whatever else is in their way, and out
to sea.

So, at worst we’re talking about knowingly sacrificing a few dozen
brave souls in order to save millions, and as bad or immoral as that
may sound, it seems a viable trade off. *Humans (mostly lower caste
civilians and those that enlist) have been knowingly sacrificed for
far less, even mutually perpetrated and/or bogus wars started and
sustained as based entirely on bogus/false data and ulterior motives
of the rich and powerful, such as over greed, bully arrogance
(including government job security), ethnic cleansing and otherwise
just for your basic hoarding and global domination rights so as to
directly benefit the rich and powerful at the demise of as many lower
caste as it takes. *So how is this multiple reactor meltdown situation
any different or less worthy of human sacrifice?

At roughly twice as bad as Chernobyl, and only getting worse:
“The international team, using a measure of radioactivity called the
becquerel, found as much as 3.7 million becquerels per square meter;
the standard used at Chernobyl was 1.48 million.” *The options are at
best grim.

Perhaps the price for producing plutonium and other extremely valuable
elements has finally shown its true face that looks exactly like the
grim reaper, in that 90% of what we get to pay for nuclear energy is
what creating the seriously bad stuff demands, and this has been well
known from the very beginning, that us electrical energy consumers are
basically paying for everything that’s mostly intended for the mass
production of weapons grade plutonium, plus a few other elements that
are in high demand by those which we energy consumers and tax payers
have absolutely no control over.

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Japan haas done their best to cover up what they could. Just yesterday
they finally admitted the reactors that were pumped with ocean water
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looks like entombment is cominghttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014643061_quake31....

No question, that a boron saturated concrete will be their first
application that needs to essentially plug-up everything that's
drainage related, and then a continuous pore until it's entirely
covered and entombed by 5e6 m3 of cement.

This all-inclusive entombment or massive surround process should only
take a year if they work extremely hard at it. However, knowing how
Japan drags their Asian LLPOF butts, it'll take several years to
complete.

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On Mar 31, 1:51*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 3/31/2011 1:34 AM, winno wrote:

Fishes swim across the ocean and will contaminate other organism and
finally no foods for us. Shortage of food will finally leads to war.

...and then we eat our enemies.

Pat

You really are pathetic, or simply a total waste of human flesh..

The gauntlet of intellectual leaches or actually intellectual
terrorists and other typically redneck “alt.astronomy” topic/author
stalkers and serial demented mindsets, that want nothing whatsoever to
ever get discovered, revised or interpreted differently than their
very own faith-based established past, is by itself proof-positive as
to how right I’ve been all along.

On the other hand, if I were a Zionist voodoo/satanic high priest,
Hitler, GW Bush or Dick Cheney, I’d love all of these redneck guys
enough to pay them for their topic/author stalking and bashing
services.

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Well back here in the USA the NRC says the japanese plant problem
could occur here too.

Its a slight risk, trouble is it was a slight risk for japan but yet
it happened to them

If this happened in a california plant the radiation plume would make
a big cunk of the US uninhabitible for 500 to 1000 years minimum.

Japan is a small country, wonder where all the former residents of the
plants area will move to?

Incidently the NRC also says spent cores shouldnt be stored
indefinetely in storage pools.They should be moved to dry cask storage
far away from any reactors.......

Sounds like something I was saying well before the japanese problem.

On 3/31/2011 1:34 AM, winno wrote:
Fishes swim across the ocean and will contaminate other organism and
finally no foods for us. Shortage of food will finally leads to war.

....and then we eat our enemies.

Pat

from todays news

Despite the leaks, TEPCO hasn't had enough dosimeters to provide one
for each employee since many were destroyed in the earthquake. Under
normal circumstances, the gauges, which measure radiation, would be
worn at all times.

On Mar 31, 12:33*pm, bob haller wrote:
Well back here in the USA the NRC says the japanese plant problem
could occur here too.

Its a slight risk, trouble is it was a slight risk for japan but yet
it happened to them

If this happened in a california plant the radiation plume would make
a big cunk of the US uninhabitible for 500 to 1000 years minimum.

Japan is a small country, wonder where all the former residents of the
plants area will move to?

Incidently the NRC also says spent cores shouldnt be stored
indefinetely in storage pools.They should be moved to dry cask storage
far away from any reactors.......

Sounds like something I was saying well before the japanese problem.

Safety and operational regulations are kind of pointless if they're
not mandatory and enforced. It's like Jews not believing in hell and
otherwise not policing their own kind is what sort of makes their
religion pointless or bogus unless it's only the faith-based ruse that
counts.

First of all, there would not be a spent fuel consideration or
subsequent issues if reactors were run on thorium, as well as there
wouldn't be those nasty plutoniums to deal with.

Of course the rusemasters we get to deal with right here in
GoogleGroups or Usenet/newsgroups are likely the same as those in
charge of these reactors that are configured primarily for creating
plutonium plus other nasty elements, and the only one I can think of
that would be happy about this status-quo is Hitler and others worse.

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On Apr 1, 8:28*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Mar 31, 12:33*pm, bob haller wrote:





Well back here in the USA the NRC says the japanese plant problem
could occur here too.

Its a slight risk, trouble is it was a slight risk for japan but yet
it happened to them

If this happened in a california plant the radiation plume would make
a big cunk of the US uninhabitible for 500 to 1000 years minimum.

Japan is a small country, wonder where all the former residents of the
plants area will move to?

Incidently the NRC also says spent cores shouldnt be stored
indefinetely in storage pools.They should be moved to dry cask storage
far away from any reactors.......

Sounds like something I was saying well before the japanese problem.

Safety and operational regulations are kind of pointless if they're
not mandatory and enforced. *It's like Jews not believing in hell and
otherwise not policing their own kind is what sort of makes their
religion pointless or bogus unless it's only the faith-based ruse that
counts.

First of all, there would not be a spent fuel consideration or
subsequent issues if reactors were run on thorium, as well as there
wouldn't be those nasty plutoniums to deal with.

Of course the rusemasters we get to deal with right here in
GoogleGroups or Usenet/newsgroups are likely the same as those in
charge of these reactors that are configured primarily for creating
plutonium plus other nasty elements, and the only one I can think of
that would be happy about this status-quo is Hitler and others worse.

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http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/01/ja..._lnk1%7C208258

A colloidal suspension of Boron-10 carbide particles in silicon oil
injected into the containment of the stricken reactors, or around the
core material if molten through.

On Apr 1, 8:14*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Mar 29, 7:14*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:45*pm, bob haller wrote:

On Mar 29, 6:36*pm, Brian Thorn wrote:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:56:29 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

Consumers worldwide will avoid buying japanes made goods from japan
for fear they may be buying radioactive merchandise. Even if all
expoorts are tested sales will be poor

Most people don't know what's Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese,
etc. anymore.

Brian

this will bring country of origin to big note

What a bunch of nonsense over a non-crisis. *The long term
consequences will be nearly zero. *Do some reading before you guys
post such BS.

I challenge your statement.

That's because you're a bloody moron.



Long term issues

Customers acceptance of products from a area thats radioactive
espically with pluntonium. people will fear they are getting a glow in
the dark whatever.

Yes, I don't doubt that Marching Morons like you are worried about
"pluntonium". *Nobody sane is.



higher cancer rates worldwide,

Not going to happen. *There's not even enough radiation local to the
plants to cause that, much less "worldwide".



if they go up after this lawyers will
win big time suing tokyo power and the country for allowing whats
clearly a unsafe plant

Yeah, I mean, it couldn't withstand a little thing like a 9.0
earthquake and a 12 meter tsunami. *How slipshod!



Japans nuke accident clean up costs, these will go on forever

No they won't. *It'll be expensive but it will hardly last "forever".



Short and long term costs for japan and the world to close unsafe nuke
plants or those in danger areas, note thats most of the plants
worldwide

More bull****.



Long term added costs to put all spent cores in dry cask storage
quickly and get those cores away from operating plants, where their in
danger if the plant malfunctions.or attacks by terrorists

Can't be done. *You have to cool them before you put them in casks.
You should really learn something about all this if you want to rave
like a loon. *Of course, if you knew anything at all, even something
so trivial as how to SPELL "pluntonium" properly, you probably
wouldn't be raving nearly so much.

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You dnt need to cool old cores for more than a few years before moving
them to dry cask storage.

The power companies havnt done this because it costs more to dry cask.

Trouble is that leaves storage pools packed with aging cores.

In a accident you dont want to have excess spent fuel around

By the time this is over nuke power costs will double or triple and
will be unaffordable.

Single reactor per plant well away from fault lines, geological active
areas, oceans or large lakes, large population centers, all built to
survive a 10 earthquake, with triple redundant everything. You cant
have reactors close together, one with a problem can take out a entire
plant. A backup reactor control room far away from the plant is
probably a good idea too, so even if a reactor melts down some control
can be maintained. From far away from excess radiation levels....

Nuke power will cost so much no one will want it, and americans
wouldnt want new plants in their neighborhood. Americans will look at
japans failure, and realize it could be US.

The NRC admits this could happen here