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Old September 14th 17, 07:54 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Mike Collins[_4_]
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On Thursday, 14 September 2017 18:42:57 UTC+1, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 4:47:37 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
No, Collins
replied, it was Sir Isaac Newton – or, at least, the influences of Sun,
Earth and Moon, which affected the spacecraft’s path just as the great
English scientist’s law of universal gravitation had helped predict three
centuries before.


You,and this means you, have to use diagrams,graphics or whatever else is at your disposal to render mutual attraction into orbital dynamics, something Newton didn't do nor any of his followers. I know you can't do it and that makes you a walking corpse in terms of astronomy and terrestrial sciences. Stock phrases and slogans don't cut it anymore so get used to it.


Are we to take it that from now on you will stick to your own threads?
If not:
Twenty-six hours into the mission, and almost 175,000 km from home, the
Service Propulsion System (SPS) engine of the command and service module
Columbia roared silently into the void for three seconds in what flight
controllers lauded as an “absolutely nominal” firing. In his autobiography,
Collins related that, for those few seconds, he was in active control.
Several months earlier, his five-year-old son had asked who was ‘driving’
Apollo 8 to the Moon: was it Mr Borman, the ship’s commander? No, Collins
replied, it was Sir Isaac Newton – or, at least, the influences of Sun,
Earth and Moon, which affected the spacecraft’s path just as the great
English scientist’s law of universal gravitation had helped predict three
centuries before.
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Old September 14th 17, 10:25 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 7:20:25 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:

Another nuisance however you too get the chance to explain the theory as it came down to us in words but not graphics or images which are now easily accessible.

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean distances from the sun.... for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth, or the earth about the sun." Newton

Show me the diagrams where the Sun around the Earth is equivalent to the Earth around the Sun. You can't do it but then again I am explaining the theory in 3 parts to an audience who have no idea what that mouthful of Newton means in term of the 'universal law of gravity'.

This is not like any thread before as the onus is on you noiseboxes to present the principles of your beliefs in graphical form.
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Old September 14th 17, 10:28 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 7:52:36 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Are we to take it that from now on you will stick to your own threads?


I know you can't explain in graphical form how to bind the fall of an apple with planetary motion via the 'universal theory of gravity' in graphical form as Newton presented to you. I am doing in for you and the other dopes who know no better .

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean distances from the sun.... for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth, or the earth about the sun." Newton


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Old September 14th 17, 11:10 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:25:34 UTC+1, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 7:20:25 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:

Another nuisance however you too get the chance to explain the theory as it came down to us in words but not graphics or images which are now easily accessible.

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean distances from the sun.... for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth, or the earth about the sun." Newton

Show me the diagrams where the Sun around the Earth is equivalent to the Earth around the Sun. You can't do it but then again I am explaining the theory in 3 parts to an audience who have no idea what that mouthful of Newton means in term of the 'universal law of gravity'.

This is not like any thread before as the onus is on you noiseboxes to present the principles of your beliefs in graphical form.


Are you saying that the distance between the Sun and the Earth is not the same as the distance between the Earth and the Sun?

By the way do you think the Apollo astronauts were deluded when they explained that their journey was controlled by Sir Isaac Newton?

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Old September 14th 17, 11:13 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:28:39 UTC+1, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 7:52:36 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Are we to take it that from now on you will stick to your own threads?


I know you can't explain in graphical form how to bind the fall of an apple with planetary motion via the 'universal theory of gravity' in graphical form as Newton presented to you. I am doing in for you and the other dopes who know no better .

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean distances from the sun.... for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth, or the earth about the sun." Newton


https://www.bing.com/images/search?v...electedIndex=2
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Old September 14th 17, 11:59 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 14:25:31 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher wrote:

On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 7:20:25 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:

Another nuisance however you too get the chance to explain the theory as it came down to us in words but not graphics or images which are now easily accessible.

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean distances from the sun.... for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth, or the earth about the sun." Newton

Show me the diagrams where the Sun around the Earth is equivalent to the Earth around the Sun. You can't do it but then again I am explaining the theory in 3 parts to an audience who have no idea what that mouthful of Newton means in term of the 'universal law of gravity'.

This is not like any thread before as the onus is on you noiseboxes to present the principles of your beliefs in graphical form.


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to dismiss him as you did, that's your perogative; but your sword cuts
both ways doesn't it?

Careful you don't chop off your own foot.

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Old September 15th 17, 07:43 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 11:10:54 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

Are you saying that the distance between the Sun and the Earth is not the same as the distance between the Earth and the Sun?


Here you go, this is how theorists/celestial sphere enthusiasts see the motion of the Sun about the Earth -

http://www.nakedeyeplanets.com/const...c-labelled.png

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean distances from the sun.... for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth, or the earth about the sun." Newton

Now explain exactly how you get from mutual attraction that satisfies the fall of an apple and planetary orbital motion to the original astronomical methods used by Copernicus and Kepler. The 'universal law of attraction' doesn't allow you to use analogies as the whole point is that an apple's motion and a planet's motion are the same so, once again, how to you get from motion at an experimental level due to attraction to planetary orbital motion.. This is your theory so explain it graphically.


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Old September 15th 17, 09:45 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 11:59:09 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:

Careful you don't chop off your own foot.


You are all the same to me at this stage hence this thread is specifically for those who wish to promote the idea of universal attraction of objects to each other and how it is applied to astronomical methods/insights. Historically, nobody ever knew how the switch was made from mutual attraction to orbital motion as a universal concept but that is now being done minus the slogan chanting,stock phrases,voodoo and bluffing.

There are a number of contributors here who are nuisances but even they get a chance to present what Newton did and how he went about it in his own words and supports by graphics,images and so on.



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Old September 16th 17, 06:51 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, 15 September 2017 10:45:22 UTC+2, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 11:59:09 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:

Careful you don't chop off your own foot.


You are all the same to me at this stage hence this thread is specifically for those who wish to promote the idea of universal attraction of objects to each other and how it is applied to astronomical methods/insights. Historically, nobody ever knew how the switch was made from mutual attraction to orbital motion as a universal concept but that is now being done minus the slogan chanting,stock phrases,voodoo and bluffing.

There are a number of contributors here who are nuisances but even they get a chance to present what Newton did and how he went about it in his own words and supports by graphics,images and so on.


I'll keep it simple for you: ;-)

When he was young he was very young and did such childish things.
But when he grew up he was still not grown up and still wrote the silliest things.

Q: What's a cross between a parrot and a cockerel?
A: A Kelleher's Cockatoo on a good day.

Kelleher had a little lamb his theory was as white as snow
And everywhere that Kelleher went his followers were sure to go

Dumpty Trumpty went up the hill to fetch another pail of gold.
Dumpty Trumpty fell down the hill and America caught a bad cold.

An image is worth a thousand words..
So why do we need both from 1461?
Is he as thick as two shorts sticks?

Answers on a foxed, virtual postcard, please, to:
A nuisance with nuance.
Astronomy for Infants.
Fantasy Ireland.

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Old September 16th 17, 11:18 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 6:51:26 AM UTC+1, Chris.B wrote:

You too get a chance to explain the opinion (theory) how universal attraction between objections or fluids and objects (tides/moon) acts for both the fall of an apple and orbital motion of the planets using the original assertions of Newton.

Get it out of your system but mark well there is a good reason the Brit contributors never respond to you and your histrionics. Again, if you have something to say about the historical and technical details then do it now or remain with conformist views and the mediocrity that breeds it. This is not a platform for your squaking but if you have to do it then restrict it to this thread.
 




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