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Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars.
On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 23:17:55 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:24:38 -0400, "Robert Clark" wrote: "Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message ... =============================================== ===================== ... 3D printing actually is quite useful as part of a bespoke jewellery-making process. You design a 3D model using a CAD program such as Jewelsmith, print a positive, then use investment casting to produce a one-time mold, which is used to mold precious metal. No one said that 3D printers weren't useful. The argument is whether they'll take over traditional manufacturing. That is, everyone makes what they need at home, on their magic printer. That is NOT the argument for most of us. The argument is whether they are 'game changing' or not. Jimp the Chimp argues that they are niche applications at best and will never be anything else. The counter-argument is when you start listing niches and potential niches, pretty soon you're changing the game in a lot of places. The "next industrial revolution" is a bit more than you pretend above. You're wrong. |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 23:19:36 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 06:50:39 +0100, David Mitchell wrote: wrote: In sci.physics David Mitchell wrote: wrote: In sci.physics David Mitchell wrote: wrote: OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home? Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets. Could you be any more vague? Yes. Yes I could. Things. People will make things. All of the things. Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching Star Trek reruns. Bless. It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of ****s what you think. You're reading his posts and answering. Apparently _you_ give at least the tiniest **** what he thinks. One needn't give a **** what someone thinks in order to recognize their outbursts as worthy of derision. You obviously care enough to answer. As stupid as you are, you have to see that much. |
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Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars.
On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 05:07:44 -0000, wrote:
In sci.physics wrote: On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 02:18:43 -0000, wrote: In sci.physics wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 17:37:59 -0000, wrote: In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote: "David Mitchell" wrote in message o.uk... wrote: In sci.physics David Mitchell wrote: wrote: OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home? Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets. Could you be any more vague? Yes. Yes I could. Things. People will make things. All of the things. I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll only need a few major mainframes. Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of smart phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and facebook. Banking and Amazon, too. Though that isn't to say that there isn't anything beyond the 3D printer. Like what, a 4D printer? Of course the ultimate would be a genuine Star Trek replicator: "Computer a 1968 Gibson Les Paul Custom and a cup of Earl Grey, hot." Which reminds me, I need to tell my friends who own 3D printers and printing parts to fix things at homes, tools, and tool holders and all manner of things that I never would have thought of myself that they're wrong and no one will effectively use a 3D printer at home. How many people do you know that own 3D printers? I know of none but we have several at work. One of my cow-orkers was going to buy one and use it as a side business but he figured out that it made no business sense. Could that be because custom machine shops have real industrial grade 3D printers? So you think that after everyone has a 3D printer, the world will end? Are you some sort of 3D Rastafarian, or something? I think the likelyhood of everyone having a 3D printer is quite remote. But that's the point of this thread. But let me put it another way.... If 3D printers are the "next thing", are you saying that there can't be any "next, next thing"? The world ends after "next"? |
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In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote: wrote in message ... In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote: "David Mitchell" wrote in message o.uk... wrote: In sci.physics David Mitchell wrote: wrote: OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home? Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets. Could you be any more vague? Yes. Yes I could. Things. People will make things. All of the things. I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll only need a few major mainframes. Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of smart phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and facebook. This actually hurts your point. A dozen or more years ago, no one would have imagined using phones for what we use them for now. And really a smart phone is just a tiny computer that happens to make phone calls. Again, it's the same argument made decades ago but folks not needing computers in the home. Very few people want a computer in their home, most people want an entertainment device. Which reminds me, I need to tell my friends who own 3D printers and printing parts to fix things at homes, tools, and tool holders and all manner of things that I never would have thought of myself that they're wrong and no one will effectively use a 3D printer at home. How many people do you know that own 3D printers? I'd have to poll, but at least 2 I'm sure of, and I think the number is closer to 6. And if I include access to them at libraries, workerspaces, etc. then easily dozens. I know about a dozen people that own things like welders, milling machines, drill presses, and lathes but no one that owns a 3D printer. Really? You need to get out more. I'd say the number of folks I know who own 3D printers is about the same as those who own the other items you mention. I will admit I know very few teenagers. Honestly, it's pretty damn presumptuous to claim that there's no future to 3D printing at home. I suspect 10-20 years from now we'll be laughing at such claims. Like computers, it will continue to improve. It'll get faster, more capable, capable of using more materials, etc. Since no one in this thread has made that claim, your post is nonsense. That is basically your claim. Yet another knee jerker that reads what they think was written and not what was actually written. Chimp, when everyone sees you saying something you insist you haven't said, the problem is not everyone else... -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn |
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 23:19:36 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote: wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 06:50:39 +0100, David Mitchell wrote: wrote: In sci.physics David Mitchell wrote: wrote: In sci.physics David Mitchell wrote: wrote: OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home? Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets. Could you be any more vague? Yes. Yes I could. Things. People will make things. All of the things. Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching Star Trek reruns. Bless. It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of ****s what you think. You're reading his posts and answering. Apparently _you_ give at least the tiniest **** what he thinks. One needn't give a **** what someone thinks in order to recognize their outbursts as worthy of derision. You obviously care enough to answer. As stupid as you are, you have to see that much. Go back under your bridge and mope, ****. -- You are What you do When it counts. |
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In sci.physics wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 05:03:36 -0000, wrote: In sci.physics wrote: On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 02:11:27 -0000, wrote: In sci.physics wrote: On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 17:45:42 -0000, wrote: In sci.physics Jeff Findley wrote: In article , says... I can see a few, very few, people printing junk jewelry, mostly teenage girls. Perhaps, but have you been to a craft store in the last 5 years? They've been selling commercial 2d robotic cutters for many years that are about the size of an ink-jet printer. The stupid thing shows absolutely no sign of stopping even though the "cartridges" which contain the cutting patterns are DRM protected and *very* expensive. They are mostly used by people who like to do scrap books, but others use them for making their own greeting cards and etc. In those same craft stores is a large jewelery making section. Those "memory bracelets" people make are a hot thing because "every item on it represents a memory". In other words, these things are already highly customized. So, I wouldn't discount the notion that the crafts stores might start selling very small 3d metal printers for making little dangling things for jewelery (memory bracelets, necklace charms, and etc.) since this would drop right into the market-space. They would only need to print at most 3" x 3" x 3" to cover 99% of the jewelery market. That same metal printer would sell "big league" at game stores where custom cast characters for board games are already a huge market. In other words Dungeons and Dragons, Warhammer 40k, and etc. Even if an individual player wouldn't want one, every damn game store on the planet would want at least a couple. Jeff By those standards black powder firearms will take over the firearms world. I'm not saying there is not and will not be a bunch of niche users of 3D printing. What I am saying is that 3D printing is not going to be the next industrial revolution. Personal 3D printing won't be the next industrial revolution. 3D printing is already revolutionizing engineering. Nonsense. 3D printing is simply making some prototypes easiery to make. Just as PCs made prototypes *faster* and easier to design. Rather revolutionary. Really. Actually real engineering companies were using CAD software well before there was such a thing as a PC. Really. If you define "real engineering companies" as those who could afford mainframes, sure. Everyone else was using rubylith. Even the IC guys. Ever heard of the PDP-8 or the HP CAD workstations that were common well before the PC? CAD software has to a certain extent revolutionized engineering, but that is very old news. And 3D printing takes it to the next level. That and N/C controlled mills and lathes. In exactly that same setting, sure. *NOT* in everyone's home. 3D printers go for less than $200; I see no rush by consumers to buy them. -- Jim Pennino |
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In sci.physics wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 05:07:44 -0000, wrote: In sci.physics wrote: On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 02:18:43 -0000, wrote: In sci.physics wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 17:37:59 -0000, wrote: In sci.physics "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" wrote: "David Mitchell" wrote in message o.uk... wrote: In sci.physics David Mitchell wrote: wrote: OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home? Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets. Could you be any more vague? Yes. Yes I could. Things. People will make things. All of the things. I suspect 3D printing at home will be as successful as the personal computer. I mean everyone knows they're useless at home and we'll only need a few major mainframes. Personal computer use in the home is dropping with increased use of smart phones for those important tasks such as posting on twitter and facebook. Banking and Amazon, too. Though that isn't to say that there isn't anything beyond the 3D printer. Like what, a 4D printer? Of course the ultimate would be a genuine Star Trek replicator: "Computer a 1968 Gibson Les Paul Custom and a cup of Earl Grey, hot." Which reminds me, I need to tell my friends who own 3D printers and printing parts to fix things at homes, tools, and tool holders and all manner of things that I never would have thought of myself that they're wrong and no one will effectively use a 3D printer at home. How many people do you know that own 3D printers? I know of none but we have several at work. One of my cow-orkers was going to buy one and use it as a side business but he figured out that it made no business sense. Could that be because custom machine shops have real industrial grade 3D printers? So you think that after everyone has a 3D printer, the world will end? Are you some sort of 3D Rastafarian, or something? I think the likelyhood of everyone having a 3D printer is quite remote. But that's the point of this thread. That was one of my points. The post that started all this was claiming people would be printing everything at home including cars; utter nonsense. But let me put it another way.... If 3D printers are the "next thing", are you saying that there can't be any "next, next thing"? The world ends after "next"? 3D printers are over 30 years old. "The world ends" is babble. -- Jim Pennino |
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Towards the *fully* 3D-printed electric cars.
On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 16:12:56 -0700, Fred J. McCall
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 23:19:36 -0700, Fred J. McCall wrote: wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 06:50:39 +0100, David Mitchell wrote: wrote: In sci.physics David Mitchell wrote: wrote: In sci.physics David Mitchell wrote: wrote: OK, what "stuff" would people be making at home? Jewellry, utilities, tools, gadgets. Could you be any more vague? Yes. Yes I could. Things. People will make things. All of the things. Great, yet another techno nerd weenie who spends way too much time watching Star Trek reruns. Bless. It's almost as though you imagine anyone give even the tinest of ****s what you think. You're reading his posts and answering. Apparently _you_ give at least the tiniest **** what he thinks. One needn't give a **** what someone thinks in order to recognize their outbursts as worthy of derision. You obviously care enough to answer. As stupid as you are, you have to see that much. Go back under your bridge and mope, ****. You really don't have to advertise your intelligence. We got it. |
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