The War We Refuse To Win

If
: we hold back, we WILL lose.

The problem with fighting on their terms is that you LOWER yourself to
their level. Can't we win by raising up to a better level?

It didn't work in Vietnam 1975.

If you can't be as nasty as those you fight, you have no business fighting.

"Eric Chomko" wrote in message ...
Scott Lowther ) wrote:
: Ool wrote:

: I wouldn't mind the thoughts of vengeance as much if you could also
: succeed at something peaceful that takes brains. But, quite frankly,
: I don't see it happening any more. You've turned into dumb, bullying
: jocks.

: This from the land that gave the world Stormtroopers?

I didn't know George Lucas is German...

: Your whining might be taken seriously if it wasn't merciless day and
: night bombardment coupled with total land warfare that brought your
: nation to it's knees and ended your reign of terror.

That was then, and now they have a far better public school system and a
far better public transportation system than do we.

Exactly! And less work hours and more holidays. Still no sense of
humor, though, although other countries are catching up...

Save your reactionary
jingosim for someone else. I still wonder if you actually have the balls
to nuke Mecca?

I wouldn't dare anyone on that! There are so many nutcases out
there and it doesn't take much to push a button...

: It wasn't negotiation that stopped the fascists. it won't be negotiation
: that stops the Islamists.

Maybe we could use the same strategy that stopped the Christians or
the Jews. I mean, weren't they easy to get rid of? Just throw a few
of them to the lions or gas a few millions and look--now they're dead
religions, only to be found in the history books, as opposed to, say,
on televangelist channels or in the daily news...

Maybe we should find Sadr and rather than assassinate him like his father
we should humiliate him instead? What do you think?

Yeah, that should do it. His followers will be so ashamed they'll
turn atheist faster than you can roll in a prayer carpet. Good think-
ing!



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Eric Chomko wrote:

: Did we assume that everybody in Berlin, Hamburg, Tokyo or Hiroshima were
: enemies? Adn after that war was over... did we rebuild not jsut their
: physical infrastructure, but their *cultures*?

No we gave them capitalism and for the most part it worked in Japan and
Germany.

AFTER we spent *years* turning their cities into burned rubble. AFTER we
used nuclear weapons. We didn;t just take down the German and Japanese
governments...w e defeated their *people*, and then rebuilt their
*cultures.*

Then is is jihad. Say it!

Well, DUH. You just now figured out that Jihad has been declared upon
the US and the west?


: I'm not a big fan of Christianity. But the wackiest of back-woods,
: shunned Christian fundy loonies can't hold a candle to what is accepted
: in the Muslim world. Can you imagine a Christian minister announcing
: that it'd be okay for a Christian to take a MUslim woman as a slave? I
: can't But I don;t need to imagine a Muslim Imam making a similar
: announcement... it's already happened.

So you want to make it a war against Muslims and the rest of the world?

So you want to have the women in your life gang raped, enslaved and
murdered?


The problem with fighting on their terms is that you LOWER yourself to
their level. Can't we win by raising up to a better level?

Indeed so. Orbital nuclear bombardment. Nice and impersonal.


: Our options are to either fight like our enemies, but stronger and
: faster and smarter and better... or let them nibble away at us until we
: are a memory.

There has to be something in between. What makes you think that their way
is winning?

They don't have to win for us to lose.

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Hop David wrote:

All Germans should be condemned because of Nazi germany.

Well, that's YOUR opinion, I suppose.

All Muslims should be condemned because of Berg's beheading.

If you say so.

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Can't we win by raising up to a better level?

Indeed so. Orbital nuclear bombardment. Nice and impersonal.

We don't have the accuracy for that. B52s at FL550 would do just fine.

G EddieA95 wrote:

Can't we win by raising up to a better level?

Indeed so. Orbital nuclear bombardment. Nice and impersonal.

We don't have the accuracy for that. B52s at FL550 would do just fine.


I remain I favor of orbital or space-based weapons systems. A B-52
*might* be shot down or otherwise crash.

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Scott Lowther wrote:
Hop David wrote:

(Unsnipping Scott's rant against Ool):

"This from the land that gave the world Stormtroopers?

Your whining might be taken seriously if it wasn't merciless day and
night bombardment coupled with total land warfare that brought your
nation to it's knees and ended your reign of terror.

It wasn't negotiation that stopped the fascists. it won't be negotiation
that stops the Islamists."

All Germans should be condemned because of Nazi germany.


Well, that's YOUR opinion, I suppose.

Go ahead and snip to change context. I don't give a damn if you want to
flush your credibility down the toilet.



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Hop David wrote:


Go ahead and snip to change context. I don't give a damn if you want to
flush your credibility down the toilet.

My credibility with *you* matters to me not at all. If you wish to
ignore the lessons of history - the fact that WWII was won not through
"winning hearts and minds" but by massive force - is YOUR problem.

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Hop David wrote:

Go ahead and snip to change context. I don't give a damn if you want to
flush your credibility down the toilet.


umm... you are talking about Scott Lowther here? if he didn't occasionaly
post things realted to technical aspects of space he would be in my
killfile next to Maxson. He simply post too much offensive virulent
hatemongering.

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Scott Lowther wrote:
Hop David wrote:



Go ahead and snip to change context. I don't give a damn if you want to
flush your credibility down the toilet.


My credibility with *you* matters to me not at all. If you wish to
ignore the lessons of history - the fact that WWII was won not through
"winning hearts and minds" but by massive force - is YOUR problem.


It was Hitler that launched the pre-emptive strikes in WWII. He used
massive force.

He built his empire on xenophobia.

WWII certainly does offer lessons but it is you that is ignoring them.

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