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Colonization Of The Stars And Contact With Aliens: The Last False Hope Of The Secularists
http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/i...2&art_id=31576
We're Hardly Alone in the Universe 7/5/2006 by Mark P. Shea Bible Study and Truth Tracts Author One thing I have discovered (to my surprise) is how shocked some folks get when I express my opinion that we humans are never getting off the earth in any serious way. We're Staying Right Here on Earth Oh sure, we might get a couple of people to Mars to walk around. Maybe a long-term space station with more than a handful of astronauts in near-Earth orbit. Maaaaaaaybe a moon station. But we're never, I think, going to colonize the planets. And we're most emphatically never going to go to another star. This earth is pretty much it. We must learn to face the fact that the frontier period is past and we ain't going anywhere. These are not, by the way, religious opinions. They are opinions based, not on my theological views, but on cold, practical considerations about things like "what it takes to get there." I'll be willing to change my opinion when we establish a thriving metropolis in Antarctica, which is infinitely easier than establishing a serious, self-supporting colony on Mars or the Moon. Rare Earth Similarly, to devotees of SETI and the quest for extraterrestrial life, I say my mind is strongly persuaded by a book called Rare Earth that the assumption of a densely populated cosmos is all wet and that intelligent (or even multicellular) life is a lot rarer than you'd think from watching Star Trek. In short, I think that we are, for all practical purposes, all alone. If there's somebody out there, we'll never know it, because the odds are that intelligent physical life is so remote from us - if it exists at all - that we can't hear it if it is broadcasting electromagnetic signals. Again, I say this not due to my theological views, but because the science is on my side. As Rare Earth demonstrates, over 20 factors all have to line up just so in order to even have a shot at intelligent life arising on a planet. The odds against all those factors working out with such fine tuning are extremely slight. So the odds of life existing in most of our galaxy are likewise extremely slight. Indeed, the vast majority of stars in the Milky Way cannot have inhabitable planets, since they are concentrated in the center, where stellar radiation makes the chemical conditions of life impossible. Secular Eschatology Why this digression on science? Because while my views are not theological, what I discover is that the faith in ET and our eventual trek to the stars is deeply theological with many people. Very typical of what I mean is the remark made to me by a friend a few years ago: "As thought experiments go, speculation about extraterrestrials have been (for me, anyway) a devotional exercise." And not just for him. Note this weirdly eucharistic anecdote about science fiction writer Kim Stanley Robinson from the Chicago Tribune: In the middle of writing Blue Mars, [Robinson] recalled, he took a small Martian meteorite he had purchased from a dealer and climbed to the roof of his home. At sunset, he popped the tiny stone into his mouth and swallowed it, hoping that having a piece of Mars inside him would enhance his creative process. Communing with the Real Presence of our Great God and Savior, Mars Ares. Nope. Nothing religious going on here. This is why the longer I live, the more persuaded I become that aliens fill, in a secular age, the imaginative and emotional niche that was once occupied by angels and demons just as Our Destiny in Space fills what used to be the Christian hope of our Destiny in Heaven. It is, I think, a profound illustration of the fact that our hearts are God-shaped vacuums, sucking in whatever comes to hand in the search for God or His nearest approximation. Hope or Despair? Some will argue that Christians "fear" the notion of contact with ET because it will definitively remove us from our "privileged" position as children of God and show that we are but one of many intelligent species throughout the cosmos. But this simply goes to prove my point about the way in which angels and demons have receded from popular imagination and left a void. For the trouble with this criticism is that the Christian revelation already tells us there are myriad intelligent beings throughout Creation. That is, after all, what angels and demons are. So I see no reason that finding ET should trouble us as Christians. I merely think that there is plenty of scientific - not theological - reason to think that such biological creatures will never be found. Colonization of the stars and contact with ET (sort of) fills the void left by modernity's abandonment of the true eschatological hope of the return of Christ. Sooner or later, it will become evident to secularists that this hope is as chimerical as the Marxist hope of the Withering Away of the State. I wonder whether that will prompt a return to Christian hope or simply lead to final despair? Mark Shea is Senior Content Editor for Catholic Exchange and a weekly columnist for the National Catholic Register. You may visit his website at www.mark-shea.com check out his blog, Catholic and Enjoying It!, or purchase his books and tapes here. |
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Colonization Of The Stars And Contact With Aliens: The Last False Hope Of The Secularists
Sound of Trumpet wrote: One thing I have discovered (to my surprise) is how shocked some folks get when I express my opinion that we humans are never getting off the earth in any serious way. We're Staying Right Here on Earth Oh sure, we might get a couple of people to Mars to walk around. Maybe a long-term space station with more than a handful of astronauts in near-Earth orbit. Maaaaaaaybe a moon station. But we're never, I think, going to colonize the planets. And we're most emphatically never going to go to another star. This earth is pretty much it. We must learn to face the fact that the frontier period is past and we ain't going anywhere. I suppose as you presumably agree with Intelligent Design you would consider a Von Neumann machine impossible. That is a necessary (and largely sufficient) condition that has to be met before space is colonized. BTW - Do Evangelical Christians have any definte views on IKEA and robotic flatpack assembly. - A vital first step. These are not, by the way, religious opinions. They are opinions based, not on my theological views, but on cold, practical considerations about things like "what it takes to get there." I'll be willing to change my opinion when we establish a thriving metropolis in Antarctica, which is infinitely easier than establishing a serious, self-supporting colony on Mars or the Moon. Thety are based on ID and on the impossibilty of us achieving self replication. Of couse VN will be intelligently designed - BY US! Rare Earth Similarly, to devotees of SETI and the quest for extraterrestrial life, I say my mind is strongly persuaded by a book called Rare Earth that the assumption of a densely populated cosmos is all wet and that intelligent (or even multicellular) life is a lot rarer than you'd think from watching Star Trek. In short, I think that we are, for all practical purposes, all alone. If there's somebody out there, we'll never know it, because the odds are that intelligent physical life is so remote from us - if it exists at all - that we can't hear it if it is broadcasting electromagnetic signals. Again, I say this not due to my theological views, but because the science is on my side. As Rare Earth demonstrates, over 20 factors all have to line up just so in order to even have a shot at intelligent life arising on a planet. The odds against all those factors working out with such fine tuning are extremely slight. So the odds of life existing in most of our galaxy are likewise extremely slight. Indeed, the vast majority of stars in the Milky Way cannot have inhabitable planets, since they are concentrated in the center, where stellar radiation makes the chemical conditions of life impossible. Secular Eschatology I don't believe it is. Science tells us - my pet subject is AI as you probably all know, that a UFO visit to Earth is virtually impossible. Not for any reasons that it is inherently impossible, but because of the way in which our science and technology is advancing. Not for reasons that Earth is rare. It may be, but we do not know for sure. My stock reply to UFO buffs is now "!puerde lectar en espagnol!" This simply means that AI (their's) is doing the postings - in all languages. Is SETI a waste of time? It probably is, but again for different reasons. If ET REALLY wanted to communicate with us he would find a way of doing so. If he did not he would make damn sure that powerful encryption was used and we saw only a noise signal. Why this digression on science? Because while my views are not theological, what I discover is that the faith in ET and our eventual trek to the stars is deeply theological with many people. Very typical of what I mean is the remark made to me by a friend a few years ago: "As thought experiments go, speculation about extraterrestrials have been (for me, anyway) a devotional exercise." And not just for him. Note this weirdly eucharistic anecdote about science fiction writer Kim Stanley Robinson from the Chicago Tribune: In the middle of writing Blue Mars, [Robinson] recalled, he took a small Martian meteorite he had purchased from a dealer and climbed to the roof of his home. At sunset, he popped the tiny stone into his mouth and swallowed it, hoping that having a piece of Mars inside him would enhance his creative process. From a religious perspective the absence of life is a rather mixed result. God has created a Universe of (at least) 80 G Parsecs with life only on one planet. What a waste! If we colonized, the earth being 4.55e9 years old means that we might have a comperable period ahead of us. That is if we are not silly. We will certainly send VN probes throughout the Galaxy. Some will argue that Christians "fear" the notion of contact with ET because it will definitively remove us from our "privileged" position as children of God and show that we are but one of many intelligent species throughout the cosmos. But this simply goes to prove my point about the way in which angels and demons have receded from popular imagination and left a void. For the trouble with this criticism is that the Christian revelation already tells us there are myriad intelligent beings throughout Creation. That is, after all, what angels and demons are. So I see no reason that finding ET should trouble us as Christians. I merely think that there is plenty of scientific - not theological - reason to think that such biological creatures will never be found. Colonization of the stars and contact with ET (sort of) fills the void left by modernity's abandonment of the true eschatological hope of the return of Christ. Sooner or later, it will become evident to secularists that this hope is as chimerical as the Marxist hope of the Withering Away of the State. I wonder whether that will prompt a return to Christian hope or simply lead to final despair? No, SETI is not done from any secularist stand-point. It is done as a help to understanding the Universe in which we live. - Ian Parker |
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Colonization Of The Stars And Contact With Aliens: The Last False Hope Of The Secularists
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"Sound of Trumpet" wrote: by Mark P. Shea Bible Study and Truth Tracts Author One thing I have discovered (to my surprise) is how shocked some folks get when I express my opinion that we humans are never getting off the earth in any serious way. That's because it's a baseless, ill-informed opinion. (Note: replying below as if to the author of this news piece, though I'm sure he doesn't bother to actually read a space-related newsgroup before forming his space-related opinions.) Oh sure, we might get a couple of people to Mars to walk around. Maybe a long-term space station with more than a handful of astronauts in near-Earth orbit. Maaaaaaaybe a moon station. But we're never, I think, going to colonize the planets. Some people will, though I would agree that colonizing orbits AROUND planets or the Sun will probably turn out to be far more common. And we're most emphatically never going to go to another star. Sure we are, but by degrees. Once we've colonized our Oort cloud, some of those folks will notice that the next Oort cloud over is just a short hop away, and look, it has lots of unclaimed resources. There'll be no stopping them. These are not, by the way, religious opinions. They are opinions based, not on my theological views, but on cold, practical considerations about things like "what it takes to get there." Ill-informed and baseless considerations, that is. I'll be willing to change my opinion when we establish a thriving metropolis in Antarctica, which is infinitely easier than establishing a serious, self-supporting colony on Mars or the Moon. Also infinitely more pointless. There are resources enough to support 10 quadrillion people (at Western standards of living) in the asteroid belt alone. How many can Antarctica support? In winter as well as summer? Without disrupting ecosystems that many consider worth preserving? Similarly, to devotees of SETI and the quest for extraterrestrial life, I say my mind is strongly persuaded by a book called Rare Earth that the assumption of a densely populated cosmos is all wet and that intelligent (or even multicellular) life is a lot rarer than you'd think from watching Star Trek. Well, duh. Even SETI adherents don't think the universe is like Star Trek. They do neglect colonization, however, and assume that the nonsensical Drake Equation is a good description of reality -- in fact, I bet you'd get along with those guys just famously. In short, I think that we are, for all practical purposes, all alone. I think so too, mainly because if there was somebody else out there, they'd be here by now. The only plausible alternative is that they're out there, but choosing to keep their presence hidden from us. If there's somebody out there, we'll never know it, because the odds are that intelligent physical life is so remote from us - if it exists at all - that we can't hear it if it is broadcasting electromagnetic signals. No, if it exists, it's either here or right outside the nature preserve. It would know we're here and if it wanted to communicate with us, there'd be no missing it. Again, I say this not due to my theological views, but because the science is on my side. No, it's not. As Rare Earth demonstrates, over 20 factors all have to line up just so in order to even have a shot at intelligent life arising on a planet. The odds against all those factors working out with such fine tuning are extremely slight. So the odds of life existing in most of our galaxy are likewise extremely slight. The odds per star system are extremely slight, but there are 100 billion stars in our galaxy. And life only needs to reach the starfaring level before it will quite quickly (on a geological timescale) spread throughout the rest of the galaxy. Why this digression on science? Because while my views are not theological, what I discover is that the faith in ET and our eventual trek to the stars is deeply theological with many people. People find spirituality in many ways. Some study martial arts; others become music; some people search for ETs; some believe in mythological beings. To each his own (as long as he doesn't start killing people over it), I say. It is, I think, a profound illustration of the fact that our hearts are God-shaped vacuums, sucking in whatever comes to hand in the search for God or His nearest approximation. Psychology is complex (I have a degree in it, BTW). Many people do need some sort of parental figure in order to help them eschew responsibility and provide comfort. Again, I say to each his own, though it does cause a problem sometimes if people take it too seriously. Some will argue that Christians "fear" the notion of contact with ET because it will definitively remove us from our "privileged" position as children of God and show that we are but one of many intelligent species throughout the cosmos. Christianity has survived many such upheavals in the past (e.g. Earth ac center of solar system; solar system at center of universe; and evolution -- though some groups of Christians, mainly in the U.S., are still resisting that one). I have no doubt it could survive this news as well. Colonization of the stars and contact with ET (sort of) fills the void left by modernity's abandonment of the true eschatological hope of the return of Christ. The difference is that colonization of the stars will actually happen. Contact with ET, maybe, maybe not. I suspect not, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong! Sooner or later, it will become evident to secularists that this hope is as chimerical as the Marxist hope of the Withering Away of the State. No, it won't. You haven't presented a single argument why colonization of the stars can't happen -- probably because there ARE no such arguments that stand up to scrutiny. Best, - Joe |
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Joe Strout wrote: No, it won't. You haven't presented a single argument why colonization of the stars can't happen -- probably because there ARE no such arguments that stand up to scrutiny. Because they are a really, really long way away? Becuase they are really, really hot? Because there's no money in it? |
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:: No, it won't. You haven't presented a single argument why
:: colonization of the stars can't happen : "Gene Ward Smith" : Becuase they are really, really hot? That's easy: just go at night. No, wait, that's for the sun. So, for stars, go during the day. Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote: We're Staying Right Here on Earth More nonsense from sound of a harmonica? Why would he believe an article such as this would convince anyone who isn't a blind theist? |
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Joe Strout wrote: I suppose as you presumably agree with Intelligent Design you would consider a Von Neumann machine impossible. That is a necessary (and largely sufficient) condition that has to be met before space is colonized. No, Ian, it's not. Space can be colonized just fine without any Von Neumann machines (and I sincerely hope it would be -- even if such technology is developed, it should probably be banned, or at least tightly regulated). I am talking about MEANINGFUL colonization. Not just a few people living in expedition conditions. We also ought to look at timescales. 10 years for IKEA. If you have CAD/CAM specification true VN is not far away. The question of Intelligent Design is in itself interesting. "Religion is the opiate of the people" proclaims Marx. Yet Marxism has at its core a belief in ID. "Only workers can create value". This to me precudes a VN machine and constitutes an ID statement. If chemicals came together 3.8 billion years ago and created a closed loop we can create a closed loop now (in fact all that is required for a closed loop is CAD/CAM). I would be interested to know how ateism views Marx. Is he totally repudiated? - As he should be. The basic igredient for interstellar travel (assuming that warp drive is impossible - as I personally believe it to be) is a system of phased lasers propelling a spacecraft with a sail. One further point about ET. People are taking of memory cubes by 2020. Perhaps optimistic, but molecular memory the size of a sperm contains 4GB (a DVD). Clearly GENUINE flying saucers could be very small. This is why antimatter is a perfectly feasible method of braking. - Ian Parker |
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"Gene Ward Smith" wrote: Joe Strout wrote: No, it won't. You haven't presented a single argument why colonization of the stars can't happen -- probably because there ARE no such arguments that stand up to scrutiny. Because they are a really, really long way away? Nope. Our Oort cloud (which we'll be living in by the billions in a few thousand years) nearly touches the next one over. No big deal. Becuase they are really, really hot? Aha, struck down by Literal Man! OK, you're right, we probably won't colonize the stars themselves, just the space around them. Because there's no money in it? Sure there is. The resources of our own solar system outvalue the resources available on Earth by many orders of magnitude. And of course the resources of the galaxy outvalue those of our solar system by about 100 billion times. Was there any money in it for European immigrants to colonial America? Same situation here, only billions of times better. Best, - Joe |
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