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On Apr 15, 8:44 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote: In sci.physics, Odysseus wrote on Mon, 16 Apr 2007 02:34:46 GMT : In article , The Ghost In The Machine wrote: snip If S8 is a compound, not an element, what is its chemical composition? S_8 is the most usual allotrope of elemental sulphur (No. 16 -- the official IUPAC spelling is the American "sulfur"), yellow in colour, as in the common household/garden product "flowers of sulphur". The molecule is a coronate (zig-zaggy) ring of eight sulphur atoms, and typically makes orthorhombic crystals. Conditions on Venus seem rather unsuitable for S_8 to persist. It melts at only 115°C (boiling at 445°C) under terrestrial conditions, and in the molten state the rings tend to open, forming polymeric S_n chains. I don't know exactly what effects the great atmospheric pressures would have on its behaviour, though. The melting point would be somewhat higher, because the liquid is 5-10% less dense than the solid, but I doubt it would become high enough for the substance to remain solid. FWIW sulphur's triple point is at over twice the pressure, and nearly twice the temperature, of Venus's surface. Brad's claim is that there's a band of S8 some tens of kms above the Venusian surface. It is vaguely possible these are similar to ice crystals, and there is a mention of haze in http://www.springerlink.com/content/q165ljt76p368268/ Truly weird stuff, though, either way...and probably not all that healthy for those of us spawned from terra firma. :-) -- #191, GNU and improved. -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've messed this one up, with having crossposted into your Third Reich cesspools of "alt.fan.art-bell, alt.usenet.kooks", so I'll repost to the original set of groups. Venus is nothing but weird and/or strange on steroids. It's a fairly newish planet because it's still so freaking hot on the inside. Everything about Venus and of its robust atmosphere is essentially proto-Earth worthy. Most of everything we've been told about Venus is simply dead wrong. Other than all of that, we should go there, and at least **** on a hot rock. I'll even supply the ice cold beer. If Venus is to much for any Ovglove jumpsuit, then a POOF city at VL2 seems the next best thing. From VL2 all sorts of fully robotic and capably remote flown explorations are quite doable, and from VL2 we could even nuke those existing locals or whatever visiting ETs with another nifty shock and awe round of our diplomatic policy, that which supposedly worked out so nicely on Iraq. - Brad Guth |
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On Apr 15, 3:11 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote: R1024 merely delays the inevitable by 1024 times, if you don't have a cooling system. R1024/m also means; of what energy is taken for heat exchanging isn't going to demand all that much, whereas having to get rid of a spare kw/ soul that's onboard might also cover the little thermal budget on behalf of something extra, as based upon whatever's getting through that R1024/m from the outside, and should thereby more than do the trick. BTW; CO2 makes for a terrific freon replacement, and therefore thermal energy extraction isn't going to be a problem unless you're from that faith-based dumbfounded planet of naysayism (aka Earth). A relatively small reactor of 15 kw for a crew and passenger manifest of 13 might accomplish this mission. Having an extra amount of energy for main propulsion could be suggesting that we incorporate a pair of 15 kw reactors for good measure, unless an energy derived basis of h2o2/c12h26 or whatever's best can be otherwise be accommodated. Try to remember, that by having 65 kg/m3 of buoyancy, and of merely 90.5% gravity, is what represents that the given size and mass of this composite rigid airship isn't hardly limited. Obviously at the altitude of 25 km the buoyancy is considerably less, but still impressive enough that packing along a spare reactor and/or the necessary liquid fuel isn't all that insurmountable. Packing enough inert mass could actually mean having to extensively flood portions of the airship flotation cells with the toasty S8/CO2 atmosphere, as otherwise you'd never get this sucker anywhere near enough without taking energy for having to pull yourself down towards the surface. - Brad Guth |
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On Apr 15, 3:11 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
wrote: What Venusian ET buttons? The same as those Muslim WMD buttons, except this time you folks don't even have to take my word on it, because we've got that more than a good enough image of what's there as ET worthy to behold. Obviously you silly naysay folks have no such observationology expertise, although of many other faith-based souls or of just us common everyday heathens and infidels do. Why don't you select upon something you like, and then contribute in a fully positive/constructive way? Pick anything from that brief list of your's, that you're obviously such an all-knowing wizard about. If need be, I'll update and post my old list of 100+ worthy things about accomplishing VL2 and of accomplishing Venus, that sooner or later will need to get resolved. So OK then. Make it a business plan and/or research grant. That's roughly the same as asking myself to become president, just so that I could kick a few of those butts I'd been talking about. Since you're so all knowing and without a stitch of remorse, perhaps you folks could put in a good word here or there. Even a few good Jewish words would go a long ways towards getting the necessary focus upon Venus. Of course, I'd love being the one and only alpha dog or whatever infidel in charge of everything, but then unlike yourself, I don't know everything under the sun, so I'd have to keep asking those pesky questions, or else having to rely upon others for doing their job, of contributing whatever wizardly expertise they might represent. Clearly you have no such personal expertise under your belt, and you're also a fairly old Jewish fart at that. But, without hardly any effort, yourself and others of your kind could just as easily get others interested in this quest, by way of simply suggesting there is an actual light at the end of this tunnel worth going for. - Brad Guth |
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Obviously the mostly Jewish mainstream status quo is not a very happy
camper these days, but then not much of anything made their Hitler and the likes of their resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) a happy camper, especially as long as those pesky Muslims were sitting on all of that oil. Too bad that VL2 simply isn't as worthy of being as perpetrated cold- war cloak and dagger worthy. - Brad Guth |
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Obviously the mostly Jewish mainstream status quo is not a very happy
camper these days, but then not much of anything made their Hitler all that happy, and the likes of their resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) certainly isn't a happy camper, especially as long as those pesky Muslims were sitting on all of that nifty oil that had been divided up years ago, and thus prior to their hocus-pocus war on Iraq. Too bad that VL2 simply isn't worthy of that location ever becoming as our perpetrated cold-war and cloak and dagger stuff, as if it were we'd be right there as of decades ago. - Brad Guth |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Apr 15, 2:09 am, "T Wake" wrote: "Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote in messagenews In article , "T Wake" wrote: Thats the worst excuse I've ever heard for a loon being unable to keep his machine stable. Buy a Mac or something, loon. Better still, pencil and paper... Pencils are sharp.... Fair one. Crayons and wax paper. (we may have to just bear the risk of paper cuts) Why don't you folks stick with pretending at being such born-again idiots. Otherwise, isn't your being such brown-nosed clowns getting somewhat old? Strange grammar there. Did you go to school? |
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On Apr 16, 12:34 pm, Phineas T Puddleduck
wrote: In article .com, wrote: Obviously the mostly Jewish mainstream status quo is not a very happy camper these days, but then not much of anything made their Hitler all that happy, and the likes of their resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) certainly isn't a happy camper, especially as long as those pesky Muslims were sitting on all of that nifty oil that had been divided up years ago, and thus prior to their hocus-pocus war on Iraq. Too bad that VL2 simply isn't worthy of that location ever becoming as our perpetrated cold-war and cloak and dagger stuff, as if it were we'd be right there as of decades ago. Drop the bigotry, loon. What "bigotry"?. Remember that I'm apparently the one and only good and honest guy within this entire Usenet cesspool of yours. Apparently the whole truth and nothing but the truth, as based upon the best available science that working within the regular laws of physics, is what you folks call "bigotry". Sorry about that, I honestly didn't know that being a born-again liar was such a Usenet requirement. - Brad Guth |
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