The empirical 'laws'

Yesterday I was informed was 'Darwin's day'.

Looking at the social/political commentaries that have swamped SAA it comes as now surprise that Darwin as an empiricist converted a social/political commentary of Malthus based on nationalist supremacy into a biological evolutionary necessity or a 'law of nature' as he framed it -

This Darwin guy ripped the reasoning from an essay on national
supremacy and applied it to biological evolution as a 'law' -

"One day something brought to my recollection Malthus's "Principles of
Population," which I had read about twelve years before. I thought of
his clear exposition of "the positive checks to increase"--disease,
accidents, war, and famine--which keep down the population of savage
races to so much lower an average than that of civilized peoples. It
then occurred to me that these causes or their equivalents are
continually acting in the case of animals also..... because in every
generation the inferior would inevitably be killed off and the
superior would remain--that is, the fittest would survive.... The more I
thought over it the more I became convinced that I had at length found
the long-sought-for law of nature that solved the problem of the
origin of species." Charles Darwin

Unless people actually read what Thomas Malthus wrote,you will have no
idea just how repulsive the leap from national supremacy to
"survival of the fittest" actually is -

"Till at length the whole territory, from the confines of China to the
shores of the Baltic, was peopled by a various race of Barbarians,
brave, robust, and enterprising, inured to hardship, and delighting in
war. Some tribes maintained their independence. Others ranged
themselves under the standard of some barbaric chieftain who led them
to victory after victory, and what was of more importance, to regions
abounding in corn, wine, and oil, the long wished for consummation,
and great reward of their labours. An Alaric, an Attila, or a Zingis
Khan, and the chiefs around them, might fight for glory, for the fame
of extensive conquests, but the true cause that set in motion the
great tide of northern emigration, and that continued to propel it
till it rolled at different periods against China, Persia, italy, and
even Egypt, was a scarcity of food, a population extended beyond the
means of supporting it." Thomas Malthus

The conversion of a social/political ideology into a biological evolutionary necessity based on territorial advantage and then turned into a 'law of nature' by Darwin had a precedent in the attempt of Newton to use the predictive side of astronomy as a platform for scaling down to experimental sciences as the 'laws of motion'.

The 'laws of motion' give rise to the later 'laws of nature' with World War II as an experiment where natural rights arose from natural laws which in turn were founded on the laws of motion -

" A lopsided education has helped to encourage that illusion. Man must realize that a fundamental law of necessity reigns throughout the whole realm of Nature and that his existence is subject to the law of eternal struggle and strife. He will then feel that there cannot be a separate law for mankind in a world in which planets and suns follow their orbits, where moons and planets trace their destined paths, where the strong are always the masters of the weak and where those subject to such laws must obey them or be destroyed." Hitler

Brave men fought and died against that ideology which arose when Darwin borrowed from a social doctrine and turned it into a law of nature so forget 'Social' Darwinism, it is merely a vicious strain of empiricism which trickled down from the late 17th century.

National Socialism had perverted the 'as above/so below' common to all astronomers who looked out at the celestial arena and wondered how the cycles affected their lives -

"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? " Book Of Job

The great societies of this world had always supported its astronomers as a connection between the individual and the Universal until men introduced a doctrine called the 'laws of motion' which spread to terrestrial science as 'natural laws'.

Surveying the miserable contributions of this forum today while knowing the bravery and courage of soldiers who once fought against a doctrine in a 'natural law' is quite an experience, not just this forum but the organizations that take the name of religious or scientific.

"Man must realize that a fundamental law of necessity reigns throughout the whole realm of Nature and that his existence is subject to the law of eternal struggle and strife. He will then feel that there cannot be a separate law for mankind in a world in which planets and suns follow their orbits, where moons and planets trace their destined paths, where the strong are always the masters of the weak and where those subject to such laws must obey them or be destroyed." Hitler

It all started in astronomy and was never dealt with until it shows itself in this manner.

On 2/13/15 3:59 PM, oriel36 wrote:
National Socialism had perverted the 'as above/so below' common to
all astronomers who looked out at the celestial arena and wondered
how the cycles affected their lives -

"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands
of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst
thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of
heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? " Book Of
Job

The great societies of this world had always supported its
astronomers as a connection between the individual and the Universal
until men introduced a doctrine called the 'laws of motion' which
spread to terrestrial science as 'natural laws'.

Surveying the miserable contributions of this forum today while
knowing the bravery and courage of soldiers who once fought against a
doctrine in a 'natural law' is quite an experience, not just this
forum but the organizations that take the name of religious or
scientific.

"Man must realize that a fundamental law of necessity reigns
throughout the whole realm of Nature and that his existence is
subject to the law of eternal struggle and strife. He will then feel
that there cannot be a separate law for mankind in a world in which
planets and suns follow their orbits, where moons and planets trace
their destined paths, where the strong are always the masters of the
weak and where those subject to such laws must obey them or be
destroyed." Hitler

It all started in astronomy and was never dealt with until it shows
itself in this manner.


bobbin jo, bobbin jo, canst thou dance the bobbin jo

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 2:59:35 PM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:
National Socialism had perverted the 'as above/so below' common to all
astronomers who looked out at the celestial arena and wondered how the cycles
affected their lives -

Leaving the Nazis out of the equation for the moment, "as above, so below" is
generally associated with other disciplines than astronomy. That's from the
"Emerald Tablet of Hermes" -

Quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius,
ad perpetranda miraculum rei unius.

and it's used as an apologia for astrology, as well as being a part of the
Hermetic mysticism on which alchemy is based.

John Savard

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 10:05:01 PM UTC, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/13/15 3:59 PM, oriel36 wrote:
National Socialism had perverted the 'as above/so below' common to
all astronomers who looked out at the celestial arena and wondered
how the cycles affected their lives -

"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands
of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst
thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of
heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? " Book Of
Job

The great societies of this world had always supported its
astronomers as a connection between the individual and the Universal
until men introduced a doctrine called the 'laws of motion' which
spread to terrestrial science as 'natural laws'.

Surveying the miserable contributions of this forum today while
knowing the bravery and courage of soldiers who once fought against a
doctrine in a 'natural law' is quite an experience, not just this
forum but the organizations that take the name of religious or
scientific.

"Man must realize that a fundamental law of necessity reigns
throughout the whole realm of Nature and that his existence is
subject to the law of eternal struggle and strife. He will then feel
that there cannot be a separate law for mankind in a world in which
planets and suns follow their orbits, where moons and planets trace
their destined paths, where the strong are always the masters of the
weak and where those subject to such laws must obey them or be
destroyed." Hitler

It all started in astronomy and was never dealt with until it shows
itself in this manner.


bobbin jo, bobbin jo, canst thou dance the bobbin jo

Any further comments are bound to dilute the impact of the thread where National Socialism was a symptom of a belief that there are laws governing motion of all observable objects from apples to planets which was extended to a belief in a cause for biological evolution as a 'law of nature' and then into national aggression which give us a justification for what became World War II.

The descent of SAA into a social/political /cultural entity is an inevitable consequence of a generalized indoctrination through schools and colleges which turns the human mind into a cistern of mediocrity . Fostering a belief that 'race' is distinguished biologically instead of recognizing it as a cultural/social entity should have drawn an immediate response from people born in different parts of the world even today when it makes no sense to retain such a hideous view -


"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state as we may hope, than the Caucasian and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla." Darwin


Each and every day I come to the forums to bring something expansive to astronomy and terrestrial sciences because the conduit of the education system is lost to a generalized indoctrination passed on from one generation to the next.

On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 3:52:07 AM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the
civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace
throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous
apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated.
The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a
more civilised state as we may hope, than the Caucasian and some ape as low
as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the
gorilla." Darwin

This is a distressing quote.

In the past, it appears that anatomically modern humans exterminated H. erectus
and Neanderthal Man. So it wouldn't be surprising to see the pattern repeat
itself. In the case of chimpanzees, it doesn't help that the AIDS virus is an
endogenous retrovirus of them.

While Native Americans and the Australian Aborigine have not been exterminated,
their numbers were reduced and their land stolen. And in the Third World, we
hear of indigenous people being abused - in Burma, in Taiwan, in Brazil, and
many other countries.

Malthus' problem is still with us - increasing populations want more and more
land to grow food and to live on, and so those who can't defend themselves
effectively get stolen from.

Acknowledging this reality doesn't have to mean that we think this is the way
things should be, or that we've given up trying to move people towards placing
the need to behave in a moral and ethical manner higher in their scale of
priorities. In the Victorian era, of course, the level of consciousness
concerning the equality of all was less than it is today.

It doesn't help, of course, that some religious groups stand in the way of
reducing the temptation to steal by opposing contraception.

John Savard