Russia is just doing great:(

On Feb 4, 9:12*pm, bob haller wrote:
On Feb 5, 12:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Feb 4, 3:05*pm, bob haller wrote:

On Feb 4, 5:27*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 4, 12:17*pm, bob haller wrote:

On Feb 4, 2:55*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 4, 6:23*am, bob haller wrote:

On Feb 4, 3:02*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 3, 7:29*pm, bob haller wrote:

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/

I wonder how long till they kill a crew?

If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a
good choice.......

Actually their astronaut kills are relatively low compared to ours.
Not that any kind of fly-by-rocket travel is ever going to be 100%
failsafe.

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well when any space program has as many problems as russia does, it
leads to a systemic problem.

anyone can have say a valve failure. but russias problems are all over
the lot........

At least our NASA doesn't even bother to tell us the whole truth and
nothing but the truth from the very get go, so apparently that's even
better.

BTW; only Russians put fully robotic fly-by-rocket landers safely onto
the moon that could navigate about and supposedly even return samples
from the moon, and it seems we still can't do that, as well as their
being the only ones having gotten their probes safely onto the surface
of Venus.

Considering they don't spend 10% of what we have to spend, they seem
to have accomplished quite a bit that's mostly science instead of
worthless media eyecandy and hype.

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yeah BUT current russia space operations are in shambles, if you use
success as a indicator.

today its just one failure after another........

just look at phobos grunt.......

I agree, that the Russian space exploration and even their ISS support
is kind of in the space toilet. *They'll need to take it up a couple
notches in order to stay at least even.

However, many of their LEO and GSO stuff is coming right along,
whereas our NASA is looking for new ways of just paying their electric
utility bill so that their lights can stay on.

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phobos grunt.

russias space program is in disarray. likely cause will be poor
quality control with schedule coming first

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no thats irans job

Iran has nothing actively going after space exploration, but India
does, as well as China isn't exactly sitting this one out..

On Feb 5, 11:01*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 4, 9:12*pm, bob haller wrote:





On Feb 5, 12:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 4, 3:05*pm, bob haller wrote:

On Feb 4, 5:27*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 4, 12:17*pm, bob haller wrote:

On Feb 4, 2:55*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 4, 6:23*am, bob haller wrote:

On Feb 4, 3:02*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 3, 7:29*pm, bob haller wrote:

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/

I wonder how long till they kill a crew?

If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a
good choice.......

Actually their astronaut kills are relatively low compared to ours.
Not that any kind of fly-by-rocket travel is ever going to be 100%
failsafe.

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

well when any space program has as many problems as russia does, it
leads to a systemic problem.

anyone can have say a valve failure. but russias problems are all over
the lot........

At least our NASA doesn't even bother to tell us the whole truth and
nothing but the truth from the very get go, so apparently that's even
better.

BTW; only Russians put fully robotic fly-by-rocket landers safely onto
the moon that could navigate about and supposedly even return samples
from the moon, and it seems we still can't do that, as well as their
being the only ones having gotten their probes safely onto the surface
of Venus.

Considering they don't spend 10% of what we have to spend, they seem
to have accomplished quite a bit that's mostly science instead of
worthless media eyecandy and hype.

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

yeah BUT current russia space operations are in shambles, if you use
success as a indicator.

today its just one failure after another........

just look at phobos grunt.......

I agree, that the Russian space exploration and even their ISS support
is kind of in the space toilet. *They'll need to take it up a couple
notches in order to stay at least even.

However, many of their LEO and GSO stuff is coming right along,
whereas our NASA is looking for new ways of just paying their electric
utility bill so that their lights can stay on.

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

phobos grunt.

russias space program is in disarray. likely cause will be poor
quality control with schedule coming first

So when is India going to pick up the slack?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

no thats irans job

Iran has nothing actively going after space exploration, but India
does, as well as China isn't exactly sitting this one out..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

iran just launced another satellite, which means it could be a nuclear
bomb

In article 8a0709be-3d07-49f5-b80f-
, says...

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/

I wonder how long till they kill a crew?

Considering they're scrapping the damaged DM, which seems to be the
safest reaction to such a mishap, your statement makes no sense.

If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a
good choice.......

I doubt that "Spaceport Disney" would want such a thing. Besides, my
guess is that the Russians will pull expensive equipment out of the
damaged DM pressure vessel, recycling the pressure module itself as
scrap metal.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

On Feb 7, 8:20*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 8a0709be-3d07-49f5-b80f-
, says...



http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/

I wonder how long till they kill a crew?

Considering they're scrapping the damaged DM, which seems to be the
safest reaction to such a mishap, your statement makes no sense.

If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a
good choice.......

I doubt that "Spaceport Disney" would want such a thing. *Besides, my
guess is that the Russians will pull expensive equipment out of the
damaged DM pressure vessel, recycling the pressure module itself as
scrap metal.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
* up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
* *- tinker

it would be more valuable as a display then scrap metal......

On Feb 7, 11:02*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:20*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 8a0709be-3d07-49f5-b80f-
, says...

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/

I wonder how long till they kill a crew?

Considering they're scrapping the damaged DM, which seems to be the
safest reaction to such a mishap, your statement makes no sense.

If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a
good choice.......

I doubt that "Spaceport Disney" would want such a thing. *Besides, my
guess is that the Russians will pull expensive equipment out of the
damaged DM pressure vessel, recycling the pressure module itself as
scrap metal.

it would be more valuable as a display then scrap metal......

Why? *You can reuse scrap metal. *What does a display get you?

Is THIS the explanation for your posting? *It's all display, like a
baboon showing its ass?

And when did this place become the Bobbert & Guthball Show? *It's a
'sci' group, dammit!

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
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well you try to make this place the fred j mc call loon show......

so what does a display get you?

visitors to KSC generate millions to the local economy not just at KSC
but gas stations hotels restaurants etc etc....

travel and tourism is a large part of our economy

In article ,
says...

And when did this place become the Bobbert & Guthball Show? It's a
'sci' group, dammit!

Sad, isn't it? I much prefer lurking on ARocket. Lots of good stuff
there without the Bobbert & Guthball Show.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

On Feb 5, 8:21*am, bob haller wrote:
On Feb 5, 11:01*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Feb 4, 9:12*pm, bob haller wrote:

On Feb 5, 12:11*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 4, 3:05*pm, bob haller wrote:

On Feb 4, 5:27*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 4, 12:17*pm, bob haller wrote:

On Feb 4, 2:55*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 4, 6:23*am, bob haller wrote:

On Feb 4, 3:02*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 3, 7:29*pm, bob haller wrote:

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/

I wonder how long till they kill a crew?

If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a
good choice.......

Actually their astronaut kills are relatively low compared to ours.
Not that any kind of fly-by-rocket travel is ever going to be 100%
failsafe.

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

well when any space program has as many problems as russia does, it
leads to a systemic problem.

anyone can have say a valve failure. but russias problems are all over
the lot........

At least our NASA doesn't even bother to tell us the whole truth and
nothing but the truth from the very get go, so apparently that's even
better.

BTW; only Russians put fully robotic fly-by-rocket landers safely onto
the moon that could navigate about and supposedly even return samples
from the moon, and it seems we still can't do that, as well as their
being the only ones having gotten their probes safely onto the surface
of Venus.

Considering they don't spend 10% of what we have to spend, they seem
to have accomplished quite a bit that's mostly science instead of
worthless media eyecandy and hype.

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

yeah BUT current russia space operations are in shambles, if you use
success as a indicator.

today its just one failure after another........

just look at phobos grunt.......

I agree, that the Russian space exploration and even their ISS support
is kind of in the space toilet. *They'll need to take it up a couple
notches in order to stay at least even.

However, many of their LEO and GSO stuff is coming right along,
whereas our NASA is looking for new ways of just paying their electric
utility bill so that their lights can stay on.

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

phobos grunt.

russias space program is in disarray. likely cause will be poor
quality control with schedule coming first

So when is India going to pick up the slack?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

no thats irans job

Iran has nothing actively going after space exploration, but India
does, as well as China isn't exactly sitting this one out..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

iran just launced another satellite, which means it could be a nuclear
bomb

Good for Iran.

Are you saying that only Zionist Nazi Jews get to have nukes?

On Feb 7, 8:49*am, bob haller wrote:
On Feb 7, 11:02*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:









bob haller wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:20*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 8a0709be-3d07-49f5-b80f-
, says...

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/station/exp30/120202/

I wonder how long till they kill a crew?

Considering they're scrapping the damaged DM, which seems to be the
safest reaction to such a mishap, your statement makes no sense.

If theres no soyuz display at KSC this over pressured one would be a
good choice.......

I doubt that "Spaceport Disney" would want such a thing. *Besides, my
guess is that the Russians will pull expensive equipment out of the
damaged DM pressure vessel, recycling the pressure module itself as
scrap metal.

it would be more valuable as a display then scrap metal......

Why? *You can reuse scrap metal. *What does a display get you?

Is THIS the explanation for your posting? *It's all display, like a
baboon showing its ass?

And when did this place become the Bobbert & Guthball Show? *It's a
'sci' group, dammit!

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

well you try to make this place the fred j mc call loon show......

so what does a display get you?

visitors to KSC generate millions to the local economy not just at KSC
but gas stations hotels restaurants etc etc....

travel and tourism is a large part of our economy

Kind of pathetic, isn't it. KSC as as tourist attraction is just
further proof of their worthless history that hasn't gotten us off
this planet.

"bob haller" wrote in message
...

so what does a display get you?

visitors to KSC generate millions to the local economy not just at KSC
but gas stations hotels restaurants etc etc....

travel and tourism is a large part of our economy

And you really think adding a SOYUZ would make a difference?

Are you paying for it?




--
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CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net

On Feb 7, 10:06*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article ,
says...



And when did this place become the Bobbert & Guthball Show? *It's a
'sci' group, dammit!

Sad, isn't it? *I much prefer lurking on ARocket. *Lots of good stuff
there without the Bobbert & Guthball Show.

Jeff
--
" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
* up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
* *- tinker

Lurking seems to suit your kind.