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Old January 18th 12, 02:40 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Jochem Huhmann
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bob haller writes:

with a small explosive and lots of ball bearings targeting wouldnt
have to be percise.


It would have to be very precise since that cloud would just rise and
fall down again. It wouldn't conveniently hang around there waiting for
the ISS to run into it.


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Old January 18th 12, 02:44 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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In article cd61534d-fee0-4a27-8b45-
, says...

On Jan 18, 12:39*am, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 17/01/2012 3:16 AM, Brian Thorn wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 05:26:08 -0800 (PST), bob hallerhall...

@aol.com
wrote:


On Jan 15, 11:46 pm, Fred J. *wrote:
bob *wrote:


could a terrorist command a HTV to *ram ISS???


Vanishingly unlikely.


Could a terrorist fart and hit ISS with debris?


Well saddam H could of attempted to hit ISS with a scud, it was
theoritcally possible


Don't be silly!



ISS has been stuck by debris in the past and a scud could technically
reach iss if launched straight up


Theoretically, but not an off-the-shelf Scud. It would have required
lots of upgrades.


Starting with substantially more delta-v. It doesn't need to enter the
same orbit as the ISS, but it does need to reach that altitude.


with a small explosive and lots of ball bearings targeting wouldnt
have to be percise.


That all depends. I'm guessing you have not done the math to see what
would hit ISS at what velocities under such conditions.

if you think about it the ISS might not have to be in the area when a
scud detonated a clould of shrapnel or ball bearings, ISS would
conveniently pass thru the cloud, and at least damage the station
badly.........


While this appears to be a "simple" thing to do, it's really not.

The Scud missiles used in the Gulf War, in particular, had a very bad
track record. A look at the effectiveness of the Patriot missile after
the war showed that very few Scuds were actually intercepted and stopped
by Patriot missiles.

Even switching to a more reliable missile doesn't solve all of the
problems involved with this proposal. Accuracy of the trajectory of the
missile, timing of the explosive, and effective *uniform* dispersion of
the ball bearings would be critical in order to increase the chances
that ISS would be fatally hit.

In summary, this isn't something "easy" enough for most nations to pull
off. And for the ones that could, they're smart enough not to provoke
the US in such a manner. Shooting missiles at ISS is clearly an act of
war and would deserve an appropriate response. Personally, I'd respond
with B-2 and B-52 bombers loaded with precision guided munitions and
cruise missiles, respectively.

Jeff
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Old January 18th 12, 03:00 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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In summary, this isn't something "easy" enough for most nations to pull
off. *And for the ones that could, they're smart enough not to provoke
the US in such a manner. *Shooting missiles at ISS is clearly an act of
war and would deserve an appropriate response. *Personally, I'd respond
with B-2 and B-52 bombers loaded with precision guided munitions and
cruise missiles, respectively.

Jeff


I would warn the residents and carpet bomb at least one major city out
of existence. that is level it.

try to drive the residents towards some emergency supplies of food and
water.

certinally take out their military assets.

be brutal to discourage future events by others


and offer a few billion $$ for the countries leaders dead or alive

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Old January 18th 12, 08:05 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Jeff Findley wrote:
Shooting missiles at ISS is clearly an act of war and would deserve
an appropriate response. Personally, I'd respond with B-2 and B-52
bombers loaded with precision guided munitions and cruise missiles,
respectively.


What, no love for the B-1B?-)

http://www.af.mil/information/factsh...heet.asp?id=81

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Old January 18th 12, 09:42 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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probably possible to do EMP like damage from the ground too.......
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Old January 18th 12, 10:11 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Wayne Throop
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:: with a small explosive and lots of ball bearings targeting wouldnt
:: have to be percise.
:: if you think about it the ISS might not have to be in the area when a
:: scud detonated a clould of shrapnel or ball bearings, ISS would
:: conveniently pass thru the cloud, and at least damage the station
:: badly.........

: And just what do you think keeps the shrapnel up there? It's not in
: orbit and it's going to fall right down.

Well... that too, of course, but even if the cloud were in an intersecting
orbit (to start with), what keeps the cloud dense enough to pose a
significant threat? You just set off a "small explosive", so the ball
bearings are fleeing each other at some reasonably high speed, to join
all the other space junk up there. Very very soon, the chances of
hitting even one of them diminish into the background of other space junk.

Of course, if somebody had the launch capability, they could simply
seed LEO with enough junk to make it too dangerous to use. But that's
considerably more than just a "scud". If you've got a suborbital missile
and a bomb coated with ball bearings, you have to hit a very small window
in both time and space.
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Old January 19th 12, 12:55 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Bob Haller
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On Jan 18, 8:48*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

probably possible to do EMP like damage from the ground too.......


So you don't understand EMP, either, then?



Ignorance is preferable to error, and Fred J Mc Call exhibits both in
all his posts........

do note that russia has tried to blame the US for the loss of grunt,
blaming the loss on a US site in alaska

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Old January 19th 12, 02:50 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Jeff Findley[_2_]
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In article ,
says...

Jeff Findley wrote:
Shooting missiles at ISS is clearly an act of war and would deserve
an appropriate response. Personally, I'd respond with B-2 and B-52
bombers loaded with precision guided munitions and cruise missiles,
respectively.


What, no love for the B-1B?-)

http://www.af.mil/information/factsh...heet.asp?id=81

I always forget about the B-1B. In a world where B-2 bombers can take
out ground based air defenses and B-52's can carry stand-off cruise
missiles, followd by B-52's carpet bombing using "dumb" bombs, I suppose
I don't see much of a point to the B-1B.

Jeff
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up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
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Old January 19th 12, 03:03 PM posted to sci.space.policy
David Spain
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
probably possible to do EMP like damage from the ground too.......


So you don't understand EMP, either, then?


Oh c'mon Fred, at least let him try...

;-)

Dave
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Old January 19th 12, 04:49 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Bob Haller
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On Jan 19, 10:24*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:48*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:


probably possible to do EMP like damage from the ground too.......


So you don't understand EMP, either, then?


Ignorance is preferable to error, and Fred J Mc Call exhibits both in
all his posts........


yawn



do note that russia has tried to blame the US for the loss of grunt,
blaming the loss on a US site in alaska


Cite?

I assume you're referring to HAARP. *Why am I not surprised that you
buy into yet another conspiracy theory?

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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine


i didnt buy into it just mentioned that the military probably has the
ability to fry sats.

if our military does so do others.......
 




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