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NASA Planning A New Mars Rover
"Planetary scientists and engineers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory
(JPL) may get a chance to reprise the Mars Science Laboratory’s Curiosity rover, if Congress goes along with a NASA decision to develop another rover that would reach the planet’s surface using the “sky crane” technique that worked so well in August. John Grunsfeld, the former astronaut who is NASA’s associate administrator for science, was set to announce today that the planned new rover would be launched in 2020 to cap a restructured U.S. robotic Mars exploration program." See: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article...._p0-524167.xml |
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NASA Planning A New Mars Rover
On 09/12/2012 05:15, wrote:
"Planetary scientists and engineers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) may get a chance to reprise the Mars Science Laboratory’s Curiosity rover, if Congress goes along with a NASA decision to develop another rover that would reach the planet’s surface using the “sky crane” technique that worked so well in August. John Grunsfeld, the former astronaut who is NASA’s associate administrator for science, was set to announce today that the planned new rover would be launched in 2020 to cap a restructured U.S. robotic Mars exploration program." See: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article...._p0-524167.xml IMHO this mission is being done for purely political & national pride reasons. If they wanted to save money on a further rover mission they should not have effectively pulled out of the two European Mars missions. I understand the Europe rovers will conclusively test for carbon that is biological in origin. If all this further Nasa rover does is the same Europe test(s) than to me it's a gross duplication of effort. I read somewhere this 2020 Nasa rover may (or may not) collect samples for a further return to Earth probe. Well, they should make one complete rover & sample return system instead of maybe launching a return to Earth probe later on. -- T |
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NASA Planning A New Mars Rover
On Dec 9, 9:25*am, Hg wrote:
On 09/12/2012 05:15, wrote: "Planetary scientists and engineers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) may get a chance to reprise the Mars Science Laboratory s Curiosity rover, if Congress goes along with a NASA decision to develop another rover that would reach the planet s surface using the sky crane technique that worked so well in August. John Grunsfeld, the former astronaut who is NASA s associate administrator for science, was set to announce today that the planned new rover would be launched in 2020 to cap a restructured U.S. robotic Mars exploration program." See: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/awx_12_04_20.... IMHO this mission is being done for purely political & national pride reasons. If they wanted to save money on a further rover mission they should not have effectively pulled out of the two European Mars missions. I understand the Europe rovers will conclusively test for carbon that is biological in origin. If all this further Nasa rover does is the same Europe test(s) than to me it's a gross duplication of effort. I read somewhere this 2020 Nasa rover may (or may not) collect samples for a further return to Earth probe. Well, they should make one complete rover & sample return system instead of maybe launching a return to Earth probe later on. -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * T I think they should launch a bunch of lower cost rovers all over mars, sending some to more dangerous landing areas. if you send 10 and 2 dont make it you still have 8 working on the planet... more like spirit and opportunity than curosity..... spread all over the planet controlled largely by colleges and universities, with some safety oversight.. a really neat idea would be a larger service lander that could go to the help of any stranded or stuck rovers. perhaps it could fly somehow. and we definetely need some new orbiters for imaging and communication. the NRO telescopes were originally designed for spying on earth. imagine what one of those could image from mars orbit |
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NASA Planning A New Mars Rover
the NRO telescopes were originally designed for spying *on earth. imagine what one of those could image from mars orbit How you plan on getting it there? *It's around five times more massive than even the Curiosity spacecraft. it doesnt have to go fast, even a realtively small ion engine could get it there given time. besides if your going to do a real manned mars mission, moving big things will be part of the job |
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NASA Planning A New Mars Rover
On Dec 10, 6:39*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote: the NRO telescopes were originally designed for spying *on earth. imagine what one of those could image from mars orbit How you plan on getting it there? *It's around five times more massive than even the Curiosity spacecraft. it doesnt have to go fast, even a realtively small ion engine could get it there given time. Sure, if you can wait a few centuries. besides if your going to do a real manned mars mission, moving big things will be part of the job If you're going to do a real manned Mars mission, you're no longer nattering on about sending toasters and such. -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar *territory." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn Yes you send much of the equiptement in advance, years in advance.. all plans i have ever seen show the basics go first. a fuel plant to make the return fuel before the crew even leaves for mars, the landing site gets delivered first too.. if you call everything non human toasters well thats a lot of toasters. you cant send a crew without confidence a fuel plant will work |
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NASA Planning A New Mars Rover
::: How you plan on getting it there? It's around five times more
::: massive than even the Curiosity spacecraft. :: it doesnt have to go fast, even a realtively small ion engine could :: get it there given time. : Sure, if you can wait a few centuries. A quick botec, assuming the ion engine can manage 1/1000 g continuous acceleration for at least a couple weeks, suggests several months rather than a few centuries. What are your assumptions that lead to centuries? ( This should in no way be thought of as an endorsement of the notion of moving spysats to mars, I'm just curious. ) |
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NASA Planning A New Mars Rover
Sure, Bobbert: you've been told how many times that what you propose isn't
possible? Politically, technically, or otherwise. Does what is said to you go in one ear and out the other? Each rover going to Mars is HAND-MADE. They are not assembly-line products out of Lockheed-Martin in Burbank or Palmdale, or Northrop-Grumman's in Hawthorne or El Segundo, and Boeing's in either Long Beach or Palmdale. Get out of your fantasy world and back into reality. The ex-NRO satellites will find good use in LEO. Getting them to Mars right now is impossible-or does that little fact get in the way of your fantasy world? "bob haller" wrote in message ... On Dec 9, 9:25 am, Hg wrote: On 09/12/2012 05:15, wrote: "Planetary scientists and engineers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) may get a chance to reprise the Mars Science Laboratory s Curiosity rover, if Congress goes along with a NASA decision to develop another rover that would reach the planet s surface using the sky crane technique that worked so well in August. John Grunsfeld, the former astronaut who is NASA s associate administrator for science, was set to announce today that the planned new rover would be launched in 2020 to cap a restructured U.S. robotic Mars exploration program." See: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/awx_12_04_20... IMHO this mission is being done for purely political & national pride reasons. If they wanted to save money on a further rover mission they should not have effectively pulled out of the two European Mars missions. I understand the Europe rovers will conclusively test for carbon that is biological in origin. If all this further Nasa rover does is the same Europe test(s) than to me it's a gross duplication of effort. I read somewhere this 2020 Nasa rover may (or may not) collect samples for a further return to Earth probe. Well, they should make one complete rover & sample return system instead of maybe launching a return to Earth probe later on. -- T I think they should launch a bunch of lower cost rovers all over mars, sending some to more dangerous landing areas. if you send 10 and 2 dont make it you still have 8 working on the planet... more like spirit and opportunity than curosity..... spread all over the planet controlled largely by colleges and universities, with some safety oversight.. a really neat idea would be a larger service lander that could go to the help of any stranded or stuck rovers. perhaps it could fly somehow. and we definetely need some new orbiters for imaging and communication. the NRO telescopes were originally designed for spying on earth. imagine what one of those could image from mars orbit |
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NASA Planning A New Mars Rover
On Dec 11, 1:26*am, "Matt Wiser" wrote:
Sure, Bobbert: you've been told how many times that what you propose isn't possible? Politically, technically, or otherwise. Does what is said to you go in one ear and out the other? Each rover going to Mars is HAND-MADE. They are not assembly-line products out of Lockheed-Martin in Burbank or Palmdale, or Northrop-Grumman's in Hawthorne or El Segundo, and Boeing's in either Long Beach or Palmdale. Get out of your fantasy world and back into reality. The ex-NRO satellites will find good use in LEO. Getting them to Mars right now is impossible-or does that little fact get in the way of your fantasy world? "bob haller" wrote in message ... On Dec 9, 9:25 am, Hg wrote: On 09/12/2012 05:15, wrote: "Planetary scientists and engineers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) may get a chance to reprise the Mars Science Laboratory s Curiosity rover, if Congress goes along with a NASA decision to develop another rover that would reach the planet s surface using the sky crane technique that worked so well in August. John Grunsfeld, the former astronaut who is NASA s associate administrator for science, was set to announce today that the planned new rover would be launched in 2020 to cap a restructured U.S. robotic Mars exploration program." See: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/awx_12_04_20... IMHO this mission is being done for purely political & national pride reasons. If they wanted to save money on a further rover mission they should not have effectively pulled out of the two European Mars missions. I understand the Europe rovers will conclusively test for carbon that is biological in origin. If all this further Nasa rover does is the same Europe test(s) than to me it's a gross duplication of effort. I read somewhere this 2020 Nasa rover may (or may not) collect samples for a further return to Earth probe. Well, they should make one complete rover & sample return system instead of maybe launching a return to Earth probe later on. -- T I think they should launch a bunch of lower cost rovers all over mars, sending some to more dangerous landing areas. if you send 10 and 2 dont make it you still have *8 working on the planet... more like spirit and opportunity than curosity..... spread all over the planet controlled largely by colleges and universities, with some safety oversight.. a really neat idea would be a larger service lander that could go to the help of any stranded or stuck rovers. perhaps it could fly somehow. and we definetely need some new orbiters for imaging and communication. the NRO telescopes were originally designed for spying *on earth. imagine what one of those could image from mars orbit Rovers COULD be buit on a production line basis. name each one for a sponsor, to help fund them... send some without a name, to replace failures.... if your ever going to send humans to mars then a heavy lift for the NRO telescope is a good proof of concept, since any manned thrip to mars must be gigantic. for food, water, air, other consumables and spare parts... volume and weight wise it would like be larger than the spy sat, since being manned will require lots of extras of everything. |
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NASA Planning A New Mars Rover
On Dec 11, 9:34*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote: On Dec 11, 1:26*am, "Matt Wiser" wrote: Sure, Bobbert: you've been told how many times that what you propose isn't possible? Politically, technically, or otherwise. Does what is said to you go in one ear and out the other? Each rover going to Mars is HAND-MADE.. They are not assembly-line products out of Lockheed-Martin in Burbank or Palmdale, or Northrop-Grumman's in Hawthorne or El Segundo, and Boeing's in either Long Beach or Palmdale. Get out of your fantasy world and back into reality. The ex-NRO satellites will find good use in LEO. Getting them to Mars right now is impossible-or does that little fact get in the way of your fantasy world? "bob haller" wrote in message .... On Dec 9, 9:25 am, Hg wrote: On 09/12/2012 05:15, wrote: "Planetary scientists and engineers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) may get a chance to reprise the Mars Science Laboratory s Curiosity rover, if Congress goes along with a NASA decision to develop another rover that would reach the planet s surface using the sky crane technique that worked so well in August. John Grunsfeld, the former astronaut who is NASA s associate administrator for science, was set to announce today that the planned new rover would be launched in 2020 to cap a restructured U.S. robotic Mars exploration program." See: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/awx_12_04_20... IMHO this mission is being done for purely political & national pride reasons. If they wanted to save money on a further rover mission they should not have effectively pulled out of the two European Mars missions. I understand the Europe rovers will conclusively test for carbon that is biological in origin. If all this further Nasa rover does is the same Europe test(s) than to me it's a gross duplication of effort. I read somewhere this 2020 Nasa rover may (or may not) collect samples for a further return to Earth probe. Well, they should make one complete rover & sample return system instead of maybe launching a return to Earth probe later on. -- T I think they should launch a bunch of lower cost rovers all over mars, sending some to more dangerous landing areas. if you send 10 and 2 dont make it you still have *8 working on the planet... more like spirit and opportunity than curosity..... spread all over the planet controlled largely by colleges and universities, with some safety oversight.. a really neat idea would be a larger service lander that could go to the help of any stranded or stuck rovers. perhaps it could fly somehow. and we definetely need some new orbiters for imaging and communication. the NRO telescopes were originally designed for spying *on earth. imagine what one of those could image from mars orbit Rovers COULD be buit on a production line basis. And monkeys COULD fly out your butt. name each one for a sponsor, to help fund them... send some without a name, to replace failures.... Name the first one 'Bobbert'. *It will run in circles and insist on reporting back things that are wrong no matter how many times you try to reset it. if your ever going to send humans to mars then a heavy lift for the NRO telescope is a good proof of concept, since any manned thrip to mars must be gigantic. for food, water, air, other consumables and spare parts... Wrong. *It's the wrong size. volume and weight wise it would like be larger than the spy sat, since being manned will require lots of extras of everything. Bobbert, please go read up on various proposals for manned Mars missions before you defecate further on the newsgroup... -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the *truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Thomas Jefferson yep they are mostly minimalist ideas, but growth must occur for mission safety |
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