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Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:17:57 -0600, in a place far, far away, Joe
Strout made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: And oh yes, it also can result in some substantial local climate changes -- illogical as it seems to simple-minded deniers, a global warming of climate may well plunge turn most of western Europe's local climate into something more like Siberia, as the currents which currently cause its temperate climate shut down. Unless the climate change levels the Rockies, Europe's climate will remain temperate. |
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Science out the window when it comes to political issues like"gun control" and Global Warming!
Joe Strout wrote:
If you stick to serious scientific journals, like Science (which I've read on a weekly basis since college), it's clear that there has never been any serious controversy about whether the current warming is anthropogenic, nor the extent to which CO2 and other gasses are to blame (and yes, there are others, but that's the main one). There has been only the ordinary haggling over the details. I suggest that you look at the large number of paleoclimate studies (a field I work in) and see how the previously "discredited" MWP and LIA (but they were widely accepted before the hockey stick) have come back with a vengeance and they appear to be global in extent. When you have temperature variations as large or larger than the present warming (which might possibly be turning around, but it's too early to say) without anthropogenic forcing, then the large positive feedback numbers required by the CO2 forcers just might become a bit more tenuous. I suggest reading Geophysical Research Letters as they have a much higher rate of publications on this subject. There's lots of scientific debate going on. In fact a GRL paper about the possible feedback role of clouds should be coming out soon. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Science out the window when it comes to political issues like"gun control" and Global Warming!
Einar wrote:
[...] Quite often enough newpapers and TV stations bungle the informing the public part. In addition, a number of green activists also do overdo it as it comes to the likelly end conclution. No, tell me it's not true! Cheers, Rich So it may be understandable that if some of the public may be confused about, which is the truly dangerous part of the equation, i.e. the transition or the endgame. Naturally, the shrill overdooers, who sometimes paint a picture of a dying Earth, are used by denyers to paint those with rational arguments as being irrational scare crows. Cheers, Einar |
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Science out the window when it comes to political issues like"gun control" and Global Warming!
Einar wrote:
Fred J. McCall wrote: Einar wrote: : :Fred J. McCall wrote: : Hop David wrote: : : wrote: : : : : Neither is statements like "the rest of the world disagrees". : : : : : : : :How's this statement: CO2 is a greenhouse gas. : : : : How's this statement: CO2 is a weak greenhouse gas, having much : smaller impacts than many others like water vapor and methane. : : :Which still makes it a greenhouse gas. : So's oxygen. Shall we do away with that? -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn We are not pumping tons in the billions of oxygen into the athmosphere. Maybe not, but 'dem filthy rotten plants *are* !!!! Cheers, Rich Einar |
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Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!
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Einar wrote: Joe has already posted it abow. As you clearly have not bothered to read the material he supplied, there would be litle point for me to post the same material or dig up something ellse for you to ignore to the same degree. Read through his posts, read the material he supplied, and if there are additional questions, then I may feel it worth it to dig up some additional material. There's no point, Einar. We have here a specimen of one of those anti-scientific loons, who will ignore any amount of evidence, no matter how loudly they demanded it and how quickly we produced it. They have an agenda to follow and an axe to grind, and won't let mere facts or logic get in their way. We should stop feeding the trolls -- just killfile them instead. -- "Polywell" fusion -- an approach to nuclear fusion that might actually work. Learn more and discuss via: http://www.strout.net/info/science/polywell/ |
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Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:31:06 -0600, in a place far, far away, Joe
Strout made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: In article , h (Rand Simberg) wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:17:57 -0600, in a place far, far away, Joe Strout made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: And oh yes, it also can result in some substantial local climate changes -- illogical as it seems to simple-minded deniers, a global warming of climate may well plunge turn most of western Europe's local climate into something more like Siberia, as the currents which currently cause its temperate climate shut down. Unless the climate change levels the Rockies, Europe's climate will remain temperate. Maybe, maybe not -- this may be one of those chaotic effects, much like the local weather, that is very hard to predict in detail. But there is pretty strong evidence that if the Atlantic "conveyor belt" shuts down, Europe's climate will cool substantially and rapidly (in a matter of decades); it's happened before, and it may be happening again now: http://www.nerc.ac.uk/research/issues/climatechange/rapid.asp No, the Gulf Stream is a minor contributor to Europe's climate: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/03/0..._research.html |
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Science out the window when it comes to political issues like "gun control" and Global Warming!
On Jul 31, 4:27 am, Einar wrote:
wrote: On Jul 30, 4:20 pm, Einar wrote: wrote: On Jul 30, 2:46 pm, Einar wrote: wrote: AGW theory is nothing but vague, untestable rhetoric. It exist only in the fervent imagination of numerous whackos like yourself. (You are demostrating as much right here.) No! We need to squawk loud and often about this SUBVERSION of the integrity of Science by political agendas. When lies are all over the media being held up as "science" someone needs to point it out and when prizes are given for bogus research they need to be taken back and the schools embarrassed! In short all this MISUSE of OUR science for political purpose needs to stop and it's only going to stop if WE start speaking out instead of going along with those pretending there is a "scientific" debate where there actually is none! Oddly enough, I agree with all this. It just seems to be the exact opposite of what you were doing a few paragraphs ago. That's because your own thinking is so ephemeral you don't know what you think from one moment to the next. Expert on evolutionary theory. Extrapolate a bit on that. Google Groups. Even though it´s not on topic, does that mean you agree with scientists that evolution is real Of course. and that you accept the currently given scientific age for the planet? Specifically? That the age of the planet exceeds 3.5 billion years. You accept that? Yes. Now that I've answered you question you answer mine. You stated the following: Einar: . . . it's clear that there has never been any serious controversy about whether the current warming is anthropogenic, nor the extent to which CO2 and other gasses are to blame (and yes, there are others, but that's the main one). There has been only the ordinary haggling over the details. I, Claudius Denk, responded as follows: Denk: No such theory exists. All we have are vague, untestable notions. If you believe otherwise then why don't you show us? Go ahead. What are you waiting for, a hand engraved invitation? Show us. Put us in our place. Go ahead. Well how about it Einar are you a scientist or a nose picker? Tell us this wonderful theory you've been concealing from us all this time, you clever little monkey. Joe has already posted it abow. As you clearly have not bothered to read the material he supplied, I read it. I couldn't figure out what it had to do with the issue under discussion. Why don't you clarify it for us, jackass. there would be litle point for me to post the same material or dig up something ellse for you to ignore to the same degree. I guess you can't post a link to something that exists only in your imagination. Read through his posts, read the material he supplied, and if there are additional questions, then I may feel it worth it to dig up some additional material. Why not provide an honest response to an honest question? |
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