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Before the Big Bang?
"Sam Wormley" wrote in message news:TV0Ng.181184$1i1.65350@attbi_s72... kenseto wrote: "Radium" wrote in message oups.com... Hi: What happened before the big bang? The answer to your question is in the paper entitled "The Origin of the Universe as Interpreted by Model Mechanics" in my website: http://www.geocities.com/kn_seto/index.htm Ken Seto Seto's immortal fumbles http://www.google.com/search?q=seto+...ers.pandora.be Seto is a registered crank at crank dot net http://www.google.com/search?q=seto+...Awww.crank.net Wormy is a runt of the SR experts. Definition for a runt of the SR experts: A moron who thinks that SR is a religion. An idiot who doesn't know the limitations of SR. A mental midget who can't comprehend beyond what he was taught in school. An imbecile who follows the real experts around like a puppy and eats up their **** like gourmet puppy chow. An Asshole who will attack anybody who disagrees with SR Ken Seto |
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"Chris L Peterson" wrote in message ... On 10 Sep 2006 09:35:09 -0700, "Radium" wrote: Hi: What happened before the big bang? Sadly, its a question that can't be answered, yet its so interesting. Something like this question may be answerable. Time is a property of our universe, It is not! Time marches on independently of the universe! and it began when the universe began, so the concept of "before" isn't easily defined. Totally warped thinking, to think time did not exist until the Big Bang. There was a bang, wasn't there? What set off the bang! Something in time. However, if theory and experiment ultimately support the existence of one or more hyperuniverses, then the _cause_ of the Big Bang in that larger context could be understood, even if "before" isn't exactly the right way of putting it. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:24:46 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
wrote: It is not! Time marches on independently of the universe! I'm glad you're so confident of that. Very few physicists (myself included) would agree, however. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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Radium wrote:
Hi: What happened before the big bang? Sadly, its a question that can't be answered, yet its so interesting. Regards, Radium See: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Wh...g+bang%3F%2 2 |
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Dear Mark Earnest:
"Mark Earnest" wrote in message ... "Chris L Peterson" wrote in message ... On 10 Sep 2006 09:35:09 -0700, "Radium" wrote: Hi: What happened before the big bang? Sadly, its a question that can't be answered, yet its so interesting. Something like this question may be answerable. Time is a property of our universe, It is not! Time marches on independently of the universe! Can you prove this? Time seems very much to be a property of this Universe. and it began when the universe began, so the concept of "before" isn't easily defined. Totally warped thinking, to think time did not exist until the Big Bang. There was a bang, wasn't there? No. "Big Bang" is a misnomer that has carried on for years. What set off the bang! Something in time. Something OF time, yes. David A. Smith |
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"Chris L Peterson" schreef in bericht ... On 10 Sep 2006 09:35:09 -0700, "Radium" wrote: Hi: What happened before the big bang? Sadly, its a question that can't be answered, yet its so interesting. Something like this question may be answerable. Time is a property of our universe, and it began when the universe began, so the concept of "before" isn't easily defined. However, if theory and experiment ultimately support the existence of one or more hyperuniverses, then the _cause_ of the Big Bang in that larger context could be understood, even if "before" isn't exactly the right way of putting it. well, if the universe expands and then contract,then BB again,etc, then there was a time before,because by contracting the time might go backwards,yes? IOW,when space is contracting time must contract too,because it's part of spacetime yes,or is it no? just a thought, marten _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com |
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"George Dishman" wrote in message
... "Ahmed Ouahi, Architect" wrote in message ... So we do not know what the world was like back then Either way it does not seem very conducive to life For a few hundred thousand years _after_ the bang, all the matter in the universe was in the form of hot hydrogen/helium plasma, similar to the present surface of the Sun. No life could have existed, in fact not even any form of solid matter. But there must have been something that suited life Otherwise we would not be here Think again. Ahmed Ouahi, Architect wrote: However, what you said, was a just a technically speaking, whether, it allows to turn around a possible similarity betweem a biolology matter and the universe itself, whether, as for instance, any biochemical process and extremelly any environmental conditions, as for instance, along their combinations, which would determine any reactions as any overreaction along the universe. Therefore, all the chemical molecules, that has had made the atmosphere, along that matter, would be allowed a possibility, ... No, at the temperatures during that period, molecules could not exist. In fact even neutral atoms could not exist. There could be no biochemical processes and no chemical reactions. ... at least to try to figure, that it has had been, along that matter, a definitely allowed to diminish the sun by a just to make it a farther as to allow the creations to get, more or less, an appropriate sunlight, for appropriate life as to allow a most of anything to be a visible, a definitely as a matter a fact. P.S- along some cases, the thinking delay the perception! p.s. I think you need to practice your English! |
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Chris L Peterson wrote:
On 10 Sep 2006 09:35:09 -0700, "Radium" wrote: Hi: What happened before the big bang? Sadly, its a question that can't be answered, yet its so interesting. Something like this question may be answerable. Time is a property of our universe, and it began when the universe began, No. We don't know that it did. You are correct that time is a property of the universe, but as such, it is a dimension no different than the other 3 dimensions that define physical quantities of objects. Where there are no objects, the four dimensions cannot apply (except, of course, in our minds). The physical quantity defined by the time dimension applies to "events", which are defined as single points in space and time. However, since in reality it can only apply to objects, we can say that the 4 dimensions are properties of our universe that apply only to discrete objects. The inference to be drawn here is that space does not age. If so, then space could have existed before the BB, as absolute space, completely empty and timeless. The BBT has space emptying out from it to define our universe, there having been nothing, not space nor anything else, previous to the BB. Of course, in that scenario, the BB evolved from one stage to another in a process that ended in the BB. It makes no sense to say that process occurred where there was no space or anything else. The common explanation is that the BB occurred in a so-called Great Void, an endless expanse of what? - Nothingness, theysay. That is all nonsense, of course. There is no Great Void any more than there is a Great Pumpkin. My model of the universe proposes that there is only absolute space, as far as we can imagine, and that the contents of the BB emptied out into abs. space to the extent that it defines even now the ever-expanding edges of our universe. In my model, the contents were the primordial soup of negative mass that we call dark matter today. I.e., it had neg. mass that was imbued with the energy of the explosion, which propelled it far out into abs. space. Since it had no energy of its own, being neg. mass, it was and still is invisible (to us), and sooner or later it must stop moving when the impetus of the explosion wears off. More importantly, the time dimension did not apply to it, and it expanded in such a manner as can explain the concept requiring the Inflationary Period, while providing an alternative explanation for the concept. so the concept of "before" isn't easily defined. However, if theory and experiment ultimately support the existence of one or more hyperuniverses, then the _cause_ of the Big Bang in that larger context could be understood, even if "before" isn't exactly the right way of putting it. "Before" is indeed easily defined in the BBT by its supposition of an explosion. It is silly for physicists to give weight to the idea of multiverses while disdaining the necessity for a "before". Just because we cannot ever know for sure what brought the BB about, we cannot assume there was no "before" to it. Explosions don't happen without a "before". IMO, if we must make an assumption here, it should be instead that for sure there was a "before", if we accept the BB concept even if we don't buy it in its entirety, we just cannot ever know what it was. |
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Davoud wrote: Chris L Peterson wrote: Something like this question may be answerable. I hope so! Time is a property of our universe, and it began when the universe began, so the concept of "before" isn't easily defined. Hmmmm. My reading and listening tell me that it is not known if time began at the BB, or if time existed prior to the BB and the BB was an event that occurred at a certain point in time. Tough question, but perhaps answerable one day. Davoud Astute observations on your part! See my post to Chris. - Tomgee -- usenet *at* davidillig *dawt* com |
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