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Sam Wormley wrote:
wrote: Protons are created from the decay of free neutrons and if it captures an electron, it becomes a new hydrogen atom. Hydrogen atoms were created in the big bang. Have you got some other source of hydrogen? Since decaying neutrons are one of the sources of hydrogen made since the big bang you've gone well into troll territory. All because you don't appear to understand the word "none". Sigh. One more author into the filter. |
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In sci.physics Sam Wormley wrote:
On 4/11/12 12:20 AM, wrote: In sci.physics Sam wrote: On 4/10/12 7:36 PM, wrote: Nice try, still missed the point, but a hydrogen nuclei is not a hydrogen atom. Jimp, you might want to do a bit of self education. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton#Hydrogen_ion Now you are trying to change the subject from the creation of protons to what is the definition of a hydrogen atom. Most people would say a hydrogen atom is a proton with an attached electron and that absent the electron it is either a free proton or a hydrogen ion, depending on whether the subject is particles or chemistry. But of course, all that is irrelevant to whether or not any hydrogen has been produced since the Big Bang. Grasping at straws, are we? Perhaps you'll "get it" if I ask you how old the hydrogen is in your body, jimp? The vast majority, but statisically not all, are about 13 billion years old. Can you identify *any* protons or hydrogen atoms that are not at least 13.7 billion years old? Sure, you fund a trip to someplace producing free neutrons and I'll point out the new protons being produced to you. |
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On 4/11/12 1:24 PM, wrote:
In sci.physics Sam wrote: On 4/11/12 12:15 AM, wrote: In sci.physics Sam wrote: On 4/10/12 9:46 PM, wrote: In sci.physics Sam wrote: You know jimp, all the hydrogen and most of the helium was created in the fist three minutes, but there was no neutral hydrogen or helium for several hundred thousand years, as the universe was too hot! Incorrect; the majority of the hydrogen and most of the helium was created in the first three minutes, but that is irrelevant to the discussion. Hydrogen atoms were created in the big bang. Have you got some other source of hydrogen? Free neutron decay. And the neutron was most likely produces by a *proton* turning into a neutron via mechanisms like like the p-p chain. You *fail* to convince me that our universe is producing protons other that the big bang. http://www.mhhe.com/physsci/astronom...r17/17f02.html Again links that have nothing to do with the discussion. You are the master of useless and meaningless links. Free neutrons decay into a proton, an electron, and and electron antineutrino. Free neutrons have a mean lifetime of about 15 minutes. A proton has a mean lifetime of somewhere around 10^30 years, a bit longer than the age of the universe. Once a free neutron has decayed, and it will, the resultant proton is stable absent other input. Some physics education you have there. You miss the point, jimp. The BB created H and He... any free neutrons came from those sources*. Umm, no. You could make a case for all neutrons having come from the Big Bang, but they were neutrons at that time and not protons and you didn't do that. You could make a case for all matter having come from the Big Bang, if you ignore mass-energy equivalence and modern research, but you didn't do that either. If you generate free neutrons today you will in turn generate some protons which didn't exist before. If those protons capture an electron, and statistically some of them will, you have a brand new hydrogen atom that didn't exist before. Is there something you don't like about my syllabus stating that "all the hydrogen atoms in your body (after all you are more than 90% water are 13.7 billion years old! Every atom of hydrogen was created by the Big Bang". Of course; it is the imprecise, half truth language of a newspaper, not the language of a scientist that you claim to be. Moreover it goes to show how muddy your thinking is. How should I reword it? Thanks. |
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In sci.physics Sam Wormley wrote:
On 4/11/12 1:24 PM, wrote: Of course; it is the imprecise, half truth language of a newspaper, not the language of a scientist that you claim to be. Moreover it goes to show how muddy your thinking is. How should I reword it? Thanks. By using the precise language of a scientist as you claim to be. |
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In sci.physics Sam Wormley wrote:
On 4/11/12 1:24 PM, the wrote: Of course; it is the imprecise, half truth language of a newspaper, not the language of a scientist that you claim to be. Here's a updated version, which I am assuming will meet your standards of precision from a scientist: Almost all of hydrogen atoms in your body (after all you are about 90% water) are 13.7 billion years old! Hydrogen was created by the Big Bang. Carbon, the basis of organic life, the Iron in your blood, Iodine and heavier elements necessary for life, were forged in the fiery cores of stars and supernovae explosions eons ago and then swept up from interstellar space 4.56 billion years ago when the solar system formed. This course will help you connect with the Universe, of which you are, indeed, an integral part! Good enough I guess for a JC overview course; at least it isn't wrong in what it says. |
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On 4/11/12 3:08 PM, wrote:
In sci.physics Sam wrote: On 4/11/12 1:24 PM, the wrote: Of course; it is the imprecise, half truth language of a newspaper, not the language of a scientist that you claim to be. Here's a updated version, which I am assuming will meet your standards of precision from a scientist: Almost all of hydrogen atoms in your body (after all you are about 90% water) are 13.7 billion years old! Hydrogen was created by the Big Bang. Carbon, the basis of organic life, the Iron in your blood, Iodine and heavier elements necessary for life, were forged in the fiery cores of stars and supernovae explosions eons ago and then swept up from interstellar space 4.56 billion years ago when the solar system formed. This course will help you connect with the Universe, of which you are, indeed, an integral part! Good enough I guess for a JC overview course; at least it isn't wrong in what it says. I removed the "of" in the first sentence. Thanks for your concerns and suggestions, jimp. QUALITY STANDARD: This course is taught to a standard meeting and exceeding that required to transfer credit to the Regents Universities of Iowa and other colleges and universities. |
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In sci.physics Sam Wormley wrote:
I removed the "of" in the first sentence. Thanks for your concerns and suggestions, jimp. Yeah, you "removed the "of" in the first sentence", as well as a bunch of other things. You can't even form a correct statement of what it was you changed without half truths. Too bad there is no web site with something peripherally related you could have pasted in as a response. |
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