...Northern Forests being decimated by Global Warming

Impacts of global warming in Alaska

"Cumulatively, during these two years, over 25% of the
forests in the northeast sector of Alaska perished"

"...wetlands in studied areas in the Kenai National Wildlife
Refuge have decreased by 88% from 1950 to 1996."
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impac...ming_in_Alaska


It's easy for most people to dismiss a seemingly small increase
in temperatures as insignificant. But those assumptions are
because people still see the world in 'linear' ways. Two events
merely add to each other, a ball hit twice as hard
goes twice as far, and so on.

But that's ...not how nature works.

Nonlinear Science - Chaos Tamed

"This phenomena is known as sensitivity to initial conditions,
or the Butterfly Effect. It arises because the errors that
accumulate from each collision do not simply add (as linear
analyses assume), but increase exponentially and this
geometric progression rapidly diverges any initial state
to one that is unpredictably far from the estimate."
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impac...ming_in_Alaska


A minor change in one system can create exponential rates
of change in related systems.

For instance, imagine if we were able to change the
amount of sunlight hitting the Earth. It might seem 'natural'
to assume a tiny change would have a proportional effect.
But since almost ...every ecosystem on Earth is highly
dependent upon that 'global' variable, all systems are
effected at the ...same time.

A minor change in such a highly parallel or global variable
acts like a...shock-wave.

At first only a few sensitive or minor systems go belly-up, but
they soon spread to closely related and then larger systems
until even the most stable systems can no longer survive.

Little can stand to exponential rates of change.

This cascading or exaggerated effect of non-linear behavior
is best seen in places like Alaska, where minor changes
in the mid-latitudes create highly exaggerated effects in
the north. Massive ice-melts, loss of northern forests and
warming tundra will be amplified by reduced carbon sinks,
huge methane releases and rising oceans.

A minor change down here spreads north, then later
comes back to us amplified ten fold.

The argument has gone from is it warming?
To what's the ..cause of the warming?
Once a pattern in nature becomes clear, it's
t o o l a t e.

So what does our future hold?



"The trees held up
Their mangled limbs
Like animals in pain,
When Nature falls
Upon herself,
Beware an Austrian!"



s

Impacts of global warming in Alaska

"Cumulatively, during these two years, over 25% of the
forests in the northeast sector of Alaska perished"

"...wetlands in studied areas in the Kenai National Wildlife
Refuge have decreased by 88% from 1950 to 1996."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

It's easy for most people to dismiss a seemingly small increase
in temperatures as insignificant. But those assumptions are
because people still see the world in 'linear' ways. Two events
merely add to each other, a ball hit twice as hard
goes twice as far, and so on.

But that's ...not how nature works.

Nonlinear Science - Chaos Tamed

"This phenomena is known as sensitivity to initial conditions,
or the Butterfly Effect. It arises because the errors that
accumulate from each collision do not simply add (as linear
analyses assume), but increase exponentially and this
geometric progression rapidly diverges any initial state
to one that is unpredictably far from the estimate."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

It's a waste of time discussing nonlinearity with deniers. It's way
over their empty heads.

Deniers think a trillion wasted picking winners and losers with Iraq
is OK while half a billion wasted on picking winners and losers with
Solandra is not OK.

The reasaon is deniers think a trillion is less than a million.


Bret Cahill

On Apr 1, 7:33*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
Impacts of global warming in Alaska

"Cumulatively, during these two years, over 25% of the
forests in the northeast sector of Alaska perished"

"...wetlands in studied areas in the Kenai National Wildlife
Refuge have decreased by 88% from 1950 to 1996."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

It's easy for most people to dismiss a seemingly small increase
in temperatures as insignificant. But those assumptions are
because people still see the world in 'linear' ways. Two events
merely add to each other, a ball hit twice as hard
goes twice as far, and so on.

But that's ...not how nature works.

Nonlinear Science - Chaos Tamed

"This phenomena is known as sensitivity to initial conditions,
or the Butterfly Effect. It arises because the errors that
accumulate from each collision do not simply add (as linear
analyses assume), but increase exponentially and this
geometric progression rapidly diverges any initial state
to one that is unpredictably far from the estimate."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

A minor change in one system can create exponential rates
of change in related systems.

For instance, imagine if we were able to change the
amount of sunlight hitting the Earth. It might seem 'natural'
to assume a tiny change would have a proportional effect.
But since almost ...every ecosystem on Earth is highly
dependent upon that 'global' variable, *all systems are
effected at the ...same time.

A minor change in such a highly parallel or global variable
acts like a...shock-wave.

At first only a few sensitive or minor systems go belly-up, but
they soon spread to closely related and then larger systems
until even the most stable systems can no longer survive.

Little can stand to exponential rates of change.

This cascading or exaggerated effect of non-linear behavior
is best seen in places like Alaska, where minor changes
in the mid-latitudes create highly exaggerated effects in
the north. Massive ice-melts, loss of northern forests and
warming tundra will be amplified by reduced carbon sinks,
huge methane releases and rising oceans.

A minor change down here spreads north, then later
comes back to us amplified ten fold.

The argument has gone from is it warming?
To what's the ..cause of the warming?
Once a pattern in nature becomes clear, it's
t o o *l a t e.

So what does our future hold?

* * "The trees held up
* * *Their mangled limbs
* * *Like animals in pain,
* * *When Nature falls
* * *Upon herself,
* * *Beware an Austrian!"

s

More bull****. No proof that 1) forests have died off, and 2) no proof
that any die-off has anything to do with global warming and 3) no
proof that any warming is due to trace amounts of man made CO2.

0 for 3.

On Apr 2, 7:44*am, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto"
wrote:
*"Decimated." *Noted; scare word.

On 4/1/2012 11:20 PM, Bret Cahill wrote:
Impacts of global warming in Alaska

"Cumulatively, during these two years, over 25% of the
forests in the northeast sector of Alaska perished"

"...wetlands in studied areas in the Kenai National Wildlife
Refuge have decreased by 88% from 1950 to 1996."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

It's easy for most people to dismiss a seemingly small increase
in temperatures as insignificant. But those assumptions are
because people still see the world in 'linear' ways. Two events
merely add to each other, a ball hit twice as hard
goes twice as far, and so on.

But that's ...not how nature works.

Nonlinear Science - Chaos Tamed

"This phenomena is known as sensitivity to initial conditions,
or the Butterfly Effect. It arises because the errors that
accumulate from each collision do not simply add (as linear
analyses assume), but increase exponentially and this
geometric progression rapidly diverges any initial state
to one that is unpredictably far from the estimate."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

It's a waste of time discussing nonlinearity with deniers. It's way
over their empty heads.

Deniers think a trillion wasted picking winners and losers with Iraq
is OK while half a billion wasted on picking winners and losers with
Solandra is not OK.

The reasaon is deniers think a trillion is less than a million.

When you don't have neither and you are borrowing them both it really
doesn't matter does it?

--
*He has the most who is most content with the least* -Diogenes-

On Apr 2, 8:44*am, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto"
wrote:
*"Decimated." *Noted; scare word.

"...decimated.." The word decimated means 10% loss. So they will
lose 10% ,,if they are correct.

The wet lands and smaller lakes in northern Canada are also slowly
disappearing. Been disappearing slowly ever since the retreat of the
great ice sheets. The permafrost ended, mosses and lichens grew,
followed by small bushes, then trees. Slowly the smaller lakes
disappeared, filled in by plant material etc, creating swamps, bogs,,,
which in turn become new forest floor. It takes time.... things
change... forest lines move further north slowly as it get warmer...

It's really quite interesting. And a lot nicer than the great
frozen ice sheets were.

Do you know that they have found the remains of forests on the
Arctic islands... like Ellesmere Island? The tree trunks and branch
remains are not fossilized with mineral replacement. They can still
actually be burnt. It's like they are freeze dried. They've found
animal fossils also, like alligators. A long time ago, the Eath was
warmer and forest grew in the far north, today...it is barren land
with moss and lichens.....and freezing cold.

Today, the nearest trees, are hundreds of miles further to the
south.

"Zinnic" wrote in message
...
On Apr 2, 7:44 am, "$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto"
wrote:

"Decimated." Noted; scare word.


It's called dramatic license~

But a 25% loss in just two seasons
is pretty dramatic in anyone's book.

In article
,
Bret Cahill wrote:

Impacts of global warming in Alaska

"Cumulatively, during these two years, over 25% of the
forests in the northeast sector of Alaska perished"

"...wetlands in studied areas in the Kenai National Wildlife
Refuge have decreased by 88% from 1950 to
1996."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

It's easy for most people to dismiss a seemingly small increase
in temperatures as insignificant. But those assumptions are
because people still see the world in 'linear' ways. Two events
merely add to each other, a ball hit twice as hard
goes twice as far, and so on.

But that's ...not how nature works.

Nonlinear Science - Chaos Tamed

"This phenomena is known as sensitivity to initial conditions,
or the Butterfly Effect. It arises because the errors that
accumulate from each collision do not simply add (as linear
analyses assume), but increase exponentially and this
geometric progression rapidly diverges any initial state
to one that is unpredictably far from the
estimate."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

It's a waste of time discussing nonlinearity with deniers. It's way
over their empty heads.

Deniers think a trillion wasted picking winners and losers with Iraq
is OK while half a billion wasted on picking winners and losers with
Solandra is not OK.

The reasaon is deniers think a trillion is less than a million.


Bret Cahill

Try Voluntary Extinction. fewer humans - better Earth's ecology
http://www.vhemt.org/aboutvhemt.htm#vhemt
--
Karma, What a concept!

On Apr 2, 2:33*am, "Jonathan" wrote:
Impacts of global warming in Alaska

"Cumulatively, during these two years, over 25% of the
forests in the northeast sector of Alaska perished"

"...wetlands in studied areas in the Kenai National Wildlife
Refuge have decreased by 88% from 1950 to 1996."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

It's easy for most people to dismiss a seemingly small increase
in temperatures as insignificant. But those assumptions are
because people still see the world in 'linear' ways. Two events
merely add to each other, a ball hit twice as hard
goes twice as far, and so on.

But that's ...not how nature works.

Nonlinear Science - Chaos Tamed

"This phenomena is known as sensitivity to initial conditions,
or the Butterfly Effect. It arises because the errors that
accumulate from each collision do not simply add (as linear
analyses assume), but increase exponentially and this
geometric progression rapidly diverges any initial state
to one that is unpredictably far from the estimate."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

A minor change in one system can create exponential rates
of change in related systems.

For instance, imagine if we were able to change the
amount of sunlight hitting the Earth. It might seem 'natural'
to assume a tiny change would have a proportional effect.
But since almost ...every ecosystem on Earth is highly
dependent upon that 'global' variable, *all systems are
effected at the ...same time.

A minor change in such a highly parallel or global variable
acts like a...shock-wave.

At first only a few sensitive or minor systems go belly-up, but
they soon spread to closely related and then larger systems
until even the most stable systems can no longer survive.

Little can stand to exponential rates of change.

This cascading or exaggerated effect of non-linear behavior
is best seen in places like Alaska, where minor changes
in the mid-latitudes create highly exaggerated effects in
the north. Massive ice-melts, loss of northern forests and
warming tundra will be amplified by reduced carbon sinks,
huge methane releases and rising oceans.

A minor change down here spreads north, then later
comes back to us amplified ten fold.

The argument has gone from is it warming?
To what's the ..cause of the warming?
Once a pattern in nature becomes clear, it's
t o o *l a t e.

So what does our future hold?

* * "The trees held up
* * *Their mangled limbs
* * *Like animals in pain,
* * *When Nature falls
* * *Upon herself,
* * *Beware an Austrian!"

s
FAIL!
http://www.fs.fed.us/news/2012/relea...t-growth.shtml

On Apr 3, 12:56*am, matt_sykes wrote:
On Apr 2, 2:33*am, "Jonathan" wrote:







Impacts of global warming in Alaska

"Cumulatively, during these two years, over 25% of the
forests in the northeast sector of Alaska perished"

"...wetlands in studied areas in the Kenai National Wildlife
Refuge have decreased by 88% from 1950 to 1996."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

It's easy for most people to dismiss a seemingly small increase
in temperatures as insignificant. But those assumptions are
because people still see the world in 'linear' ways. Two events
merely add to each other, a ball hit twice as hard
goes twice as far, and so on.

But that's ...not how nature works.

Nonlinear Science - Chaos Tamed

"This phenomena is known as sensitivity to initial conditions,
or the Butterfly Effect. It arises because the errors that
accumulate from each collision do not simply add (as linear
analyses assume), but increase exponentially and this
geometric progression rapidly diverges any initial state
to one that is unpredictably far from the estimate."http://www.eoearth.org/article/Impacts_of_global_warming_in_Alaska

A minor change in one system can create exponential rates
of change in related systems.

For instance, imagine if we were able to change the
amount of sunlight hitting the Earth. It might seem 'natural'
to assume a tiny change would have a proportional effect.
But since almost ...every ecosystem on Earth is highly
dependent upon that 'global' variable, *all systems are
effected at the ...same time.

A minor change in such a highly parallel or global variable
acts like a...shock-wave.

At first only a few sensitive or minor systems go belly-up, but
they soon spread to closely related and then larger systems
until even the most stable systems can no longer survive.

Little can stand to exponential rates of change.

This cascading or exaggerated effect of non-linear behavior
is best seen in places like Alaska, where minor changes
in the mid-latitudes create highly exaggerated effects in
the north. Massive ice-melts, loss of northern forests and
warming tundra will be amplified by reduced carbon sinks,
huge methane releases and rising oceans.

A minor change down here spreads north, then later
comes back to us amplified ten fold.

The argument has gone from is it warming?
To what's the ..cause of the warming?
Once a pattern in nature becomes clear, it's
t o o *l a t e.

So what does our future hold?

* * "The trees held up
* * *Their mangled limbs
* * *Like animals in pain,
* * *When Nature falls
* * *Upon herself,
* * *Beware an Austrian!"

s

FAIL!http://www.fs.fed.us/news/2012/relea...t-growth.shtml

Fast growth and especially broad-leaf trees really don't count the
same.

Older forest trees of 100+ year growth are worth counting and
protecting (expanding).

70+ years of badly infected forests and acidic damaged growth are
major factors.

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