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Old February 6th 13, 11:24 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
Brad Guth[_3_]
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On Feb 6, 11:36*am, Paul Cardinale wrote:
An event horizon is not a thing. *It is not composed of anything. *It
is a locus of points. *You cannot make an event horizon detector
because there is nothing to detect.


Says you. Tell us again how you've been there and having objectively
done that EH thing.
  #12  
Old February 7th 13, 12:13 AM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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On Feb 6, 6:27*am, Brad Guth wrote:
An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3

It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a
EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg,
giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times
faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal
volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. *If
this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid
helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient
mass of 5.7e46 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the
EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the
speed of light.

So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass?

Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?

*http://www.1728.org/diam.htm

*http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity

*Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to
represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its
mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever.

Changing the EH shell diameter and its thickness to suit whatever you
like, and run the math through these same online calculators in order
to test out your ideas as to what a hollow BH or EH could have to
offer. *Filling this hollow BH or EH with weird aether or whatever
else you can think of, as such will only add to the escape velocity,
such as including an enormous solar system of 2e31 kg is literally
adding a mere drop to this enormous bucket of mass, and the same goes
for packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still
insignificant.

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus


Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only
needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. I
would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the
EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from
otherwise triggering external photons.

On Feb 6, 10:06 am, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/6/13 7:49 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3


It is the mass that determines the radius of the event horizon.
Something like 2GM/c^2.

A black hole with an event horizon of 1 light year has a mass
of 6.37e+42 kg inside that event horizon. To the best of our
knowledge, there is no known force that would prevent that
mass from collapsing.


Thanks for that reminder of mainstream thinking. Or perhaps we might
consider that just the EH shell itself is all that has to be worth
6.37e42 kg.

What’s the required pull of gravity at the EH? (is it 423,974 km/sec,
or isn’t it just ‘c’ or otherwise at most 2c?)
http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity

How many millions or possibly billions of BHs are part of the LQG?

The Huge-LQG of 4 billion ly diameter is simply one heck of a black
hole factory. The LQG itself is also capable of imposing a
considerable cosmic lens issue, although this multiple of enormous
clusters of merged galaxies along with hosting 73+ quasars inside of
this monster, should also be offering the most impressive assortment
of secondary cosmic lens issues, especially magnified and distorted
with its all-inclusive collective worth of perhaps 1e19 Ms (2e49 kg).
  #13  
Old February 7th 13, 04:00 AM posted to sci.astro
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Dear Brad Guth:

On Wednesday, February 6, 2013 3:24:11 PM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 6, 11:36*am, Paul Cardinale wrote:

An event horizon is not a thing. *It is not
composed of anything. *It is a locus of points.
*You cannot make an event horizon detector
because there is nothing to detect.


Says you. Tell us again how you've been there
and having objectively done that EH thing.


It is very likely we have all been there and done that. The CMBR is very much like what the inside of an event horizon would look like...

Remember, it is *your* charge to try and disprove your theories, if you are serious. There is no physics that supports this shell-within-the-event-horizon thing.

David A. Smith
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Old February 7th 13, 04:20 AM posted to sci.astro
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On Wednesday, February 6, 2013 6:27:05 AM UTC-8, Brad Guth wrote:
An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell

thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of

2.666e44 m3


What shell? There is no shell. A black hole is a singularity, Brad, all the mass is contained in a no-dimension point, which automatically gives it infinite density. The radius of the EH is determined by the total mass in that singularity. It is just a mathematical model.

You have an overactive imagination...
  #15  
Old February 7th 13, 02:30 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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On Feb 6, 6:13*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:27*am, Brad Guth wrote:









An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3


It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a
EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg,
giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times
faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal
volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. *If
this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid
helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient
mass of 5.7e46 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the
EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the
speed of light.


So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass?


Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?


*http://www.1728.org/diam.htm


*http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity


*Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to
represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its
mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever.


Changing the EH shell diameter and its thickness to suit whatever you
like, and run the math through these same online calculators in order
to test out your ideas as to what a hollow BH or EH could have to
offer. *Filling this hollow BH or EH with weird aether or whatever
else you can think of, as such will only add to the escape velocity,
such as including an enormous solar system of 2e31 kg is literally
adding a mere drop to this enormous bucket of mass, and the same goes
for packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still
insignificant.


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus


Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only
needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. *I
would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the
EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from
otherwise triggering external photons.

On Feb 6, 10:06 am, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 2/6/13 7:49 AM, Brad Guth wrote:


An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3


* *It is the mass that determines the radius of the event horizon.
* *Something like 2GM/c^2.


* *A black hole with an event horizon of 1 light year has a mass
* *of 6.37e+42 kg inside that event horizon. To the best of our
* *knowledge, there is no known force that would prevent that
* *mass from collapsing.


Thanks for that reminder of mainstream thinking. *Or perhaps we might
consider that just the EH shell itself is all that has to be worth
6.37e42 kg.

What’s the required pull of gravity at the EH? (is it 423,974 km/sec,
or isn’t it just ‘c’ or otherwise at most 2c?)
*http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity

How many millions or possibly billions of BHs are part of the LQG?

The Huge-LQG of 4 billion ly diameter is simply one heck of a black
hole factory. *The LQG itself is also capable of imposing a
considerable cosmic lens issue, although this multiple of enormous
clusters of merged galaxies along with hosting 73+ quasars inside of
this monster, should also be offering the most impressive assortment
of secondary cosmic lens issues, especially magnified and distorted
with its all-inclusive collective worth of perhaps 1e19 Ms (2e49 kg).


Hardest surface is that of a neutron star in the macro. In the micro
realm its a buckyball. Softest surface is a black hole. IT GIVES NO
RESISTANCE GOING IN In micro realm its space. TreBert
  #16  
Old February 7th 13, 07:02 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
Brad Guth[_3_]
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On Feb 7, 5:30*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:13*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Feb 6, 6:27*am, Brad Guth wrote:


An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3


It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a
EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg,
giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times
faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal
volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. *If
this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid
helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient
mass of 5.7e46 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the
EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the
speed of light.


So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass?


Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?


*http://www.1728.org/diam.htm


*http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity


*Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to
represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its
mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever.


Changing the EH shell diameter and its thickness to suit whatever you
like, and run the math through these same online calculators in order
to test out your ideas as to what a hollow BH or EH could have to
offer. *Filling this hollow BH or EH with weird aether or whatever
else you can think of, as such will only add to the escape velocity,
such as including an enormous solar system of 2e31 kg is literally
adding a mere drop to this enormous bucket of mass, and the same goes
for packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still
insignificant.


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth
Venus”, GuthVenus


Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only
needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. *I
would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the
EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from
otherwise triggering external photons.


On Feb 6, 10:06 am, Sam Wormley wrote:


On 2/6/13 7:49 AM, Brad Guth wrote:


An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3


* *It is the mass that determines the radius of the event horizon..
* *Something like 2GM/c^2.


* *A black hole with an event horizon of 1 light year has a mass
* *of 6.37e+42 kg inside that event horizon. To the best of our
* *knowledge, there is no known force that would prevent that
* *mass from collapsing.


Thanks for that reminder of mainstream thinking. *Or perhaps we might
consider that just the EH shell itself is all that has to be worth
6.37e42 kg.


What’s the required pull of gravity at the EH? (is it 423,974 km/sec,
or isn’t it just ‘c’ or otherwise at most 2c?)
*http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity


How many millions or possibly billions of BHs are part of the LQG?


The Huge-LQG of 4 billion ly diameter is simply one heck of a black
hole factory. *The LQG itself is also capable of imposing a
considerable cosmic lens issue, although this multiple of enormous
clusters of merged galaxies along with hosting 73+ quasars inside of
this monster, should also be offering the most impressive assortment
of secondary cosmic lens issues, especially magnified and distorted
with its all-inclusive collective worth of perhaps 1e19 Ms (2e49 kg).


Hardest surface is that of a neutron star in the macro. In the micro
realm its a buckyball. *Softest surface is a black hole. *IT GIVES NO
RESISTANCE GOING IN *In micro realm its space. *TreBert


That's kinda what I was thinking, that the event horizon is a shell
sort of super-fluid or super-solid kind of frictionless sphere of
sufficient density (such as solid helium at .214 g/cm3) that’s easily
penetrated.

http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity
By using an Event Horizon(EH) radius of .5 ly and a mass of 5.695e46
kg

In order for the surface or shell of this event horizon sphere to
offer sufficient gravity for a one light year diameter sphere, it
doesn't even have to be all that thick if only 300,000 km/sec worth of
gravity is needed. If whatever is trapped inside of this solid shell
of a helium sphere even amounted to a massive solar system of 2e31 kg
would not hardly matter because, the volumetric shell of this EH
sphere itself is going to be worth at least 5.695e46 kg if the EH
shell were only 9.4605e8 km thick, because that'll generate a gravity
force at the surface of 133.75 times greater than 'c'.

For a one light year diameter EH shell thickness of just 9.4605e6 km
(a millionth of a ly) and comprised of mostly the solid form of helium
(5.695e44 kg) would be offering 13.3 'c' worth of gravity force, and
perhaps we are talking of at most .1% more if this EH enclosed a
massive solar system along with loads of other stuff (including
aether), is still offering the EH surface gravity of 4.01e6 km/s or
13.4 times the speed of light.

Of course the shape of this EH volume could be a complex toroid
instead of the simple sphere, thus giving polar pathways in or out of
each and every hollow black hole EH. As this EH and its BH innards
fill up is when (according to mpc755) those polar jets kick out or
vent their energy and aether which condensates back into matter.
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Old February 7th 13, 08:30 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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..... ahahahaha... TOO MUCH!.... ahahaha... ROTFLMAO...

Two Astrophysicysts, "Brad Guth" and
Jail bird Hebe Herbie "G=EMC^2" wrote:


Brad Guth wrote:
An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3.. snip more EH (Extremly Hilarious) lunacy ....
..... this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. If
this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid
of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 .... its escape velocity at the EH
surface of solid He is 134 times greater than the speed of light.
Packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still
insignificant.
Of course the shape of this EH volume could be a complex
toroid instead of the simple sphere, thus giving polar pathways
in or out of each and every hollow black hole EH. As this EH
and its BH **** innards **** fill up is when (according to mpc755)
those polar jets kick out or vent their energy and aether which
condensates back into matter.
So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass?
Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?
How many billions of BHs are part of the LQG?

Hebe Herbie wrote:
Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape
velocity only needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given
black hole. I would have expected it needed at least 2c
worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon
waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering
external photons.... [Referring to his "Photon-Suck-theory]

"Sam Wormley" wrote:
Brad, try not to be so stooopid. Paul is correct.

"Paul Cardinale" wrote:
Brad, an event horizon is not a thing. It is not composed of
anything. It is a locus of points. You cannot make an event
horizon detector because there is nothing to detect.

John Porker, strutting in his pink Androcies of
wrote:
A Crapinale is a thing. It is composed of something. It
is an idiot. You can make a Crapinale detector because
it babbles nonsense about nonsense.

hanson wrote:
See, Brad, buy & put on some of John Parker's pink
unisex Androcies underwear and then you can keep on
to "babble nonsense about nonsense" topping it with
your own Guthian ***innards***..... ahahaha... ahahaha...
Brad you are always good for laughs. Thanks.
ahahaha.... ahahahanson


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Old February 7th 13, 08:42 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
Brad Guth[_3_]
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On Feb 7, 11:30*am, "hanson" wrote:
.... ahahahaha... TOO MUCH!.... ahahaha... *ROTFLMAO...

Two Astrophysicysts, "Brad Guth" *and
Jail bird Hebe Herbie "G=EMC^2" wrote:

Brad Guth wrote:

An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell
thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of
2.666e44 m3.. snip more EH (Extremly Hilarious) lunacy ....
.... this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. If
this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid
of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 .... *its escape velocity at the EH
surface of solid He is 134 times greater than the speed of light.
Packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still
insignificant.
Of course the shape of this EH volume could be a complex
toroid instead of the simple sphere, thus giving polar pathways
in or out of each and every hollow black hole EH. *As this EH
and its BH **** innards **** fill up is when (according to mpc755)
those polar jets kick out or vent their energy and aether which
condensates back into matter.
So, where s the need of any solid BH body of mass?
Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist?
How many billions of BHs are part of the LQG?

Hebe Herbie wrote:

Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape
velocity only needs to be slightly greater than c for an given
black hole. I would have expected it needed at least 2c
worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon
waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering
external photons.... [Referring to his "Photon-Suck-theory]

"Sam Wormley" wrote:

*Brad, try not to be so stooopid. Paul is correct.

"Paul Cardinale" wrote:

Brad, an event horizon is not a thing. *It is not composed of
anything. *It is a locus of points. *You cannot make an event
horizon detector because there is nothing to detect.

John Porker, strutting in his pink Androcies wrote:

A Crapinale is a thing. *It is composed of something. *It
is an idiot. *You can make a Crapinale detector because
it babbles nonsense about nonsense.

hanson wrote:

See, Brad, buy & put on some of John Parker's pink
unisex Androcies underwear and then you can keep on
to "babble nonsense about nonsense" topping it with
your own Guthian ***innards***..... ahahaha... ahahaha...
Brad you are always good for laughs. Thanks.
ahahaha.... ahahahanson


Your lack of sharing anything topic constructive is noted, as is the
usual FUD of most others you fornicate with that usually claim to know
everything there is to know, and then some.

The likely toroid of an EH will most likely be objectively imaged or
at least computer assimilated from a derivative of radio and IR
combined imaging. Of course you can always pretend that such isn't
possible.
  #19  
Old February 7th 13, 09:28 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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On Feb 6, 2:24*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 6, 11:36*am, Paul Cardinale wrote:

An event horizon is not a thing. *It is not composed of anything. *It
is a locus of points. *You cannot make an event horizon detector
because there is nothing to detect.


Says you. *Tell us again how you've been there and having objectively
done that EH thing.


Idiot. The term "event horizon" is well defined. There is no mystery
about what it refers to. As I said, it refers to a locus of points.
  #20  
Old February 7th 13, 09:31 PM posted to alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.astro,misc.education.science,alt.journalism
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I see that you still enjoy demonstrating that you are a rank imbecile.
This appears to be a new point of ignorance for you: An inability to
distinguish between something physical (energy) and something
mathematical (a locus of points). You're getting close to going
negative on your IQ score.
 




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