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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
On Feb 6, 11:36*am, Paul Cardinale wrote:
An event horizon is not a thing. *It is not composed of anything. *It is a locus of points. *You cannot make an event horizon detector because there is nothing to detect. Says you. Tell us again how you've been there and having objectively done that EH thing. |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
On Feb 6, 6:27*am, Brad Guth wrote:
An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg, giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. *If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient mass of 5.7e46 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the speed of light. So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? *http://www.1728.org/diam.htm *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity *Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever. Changing the EH shell diameter and its thickness to suit whatever you like, and run the math through these same online calculators in order to test out your ideas as to what a hollow BH or EH could have to offer. *Filling this hollow BH or EH with weird aether or whatever else you can think of, as such will only add to the escape velocity, such as including an enormous solar system of 2e31 kg is literally adding a mere drop to this enormous bucket of mass, and the same goes for packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still insignificant. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. I would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering external photons. On Feb 6, 10:06 am, Sam Wormley wrote: On 2/6/13 7:49 AM, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 It is the mass that determines the radius of the event horizon. Something like 2GM/c^2. A black hole with an event horizon of 1 light year has a mass of 6.37e+42 kg inside that event horizon. To the best of our knowledge, there is no known force that would prevent that mass from collapsing. Thanks for that reminder of mainstream thinking. Or perhaps we might consider that just the EH shell itself is all that has to be worth 6.37e42 kg. What’s the required pull of gravity at the EH? (is it 423,974 km/sec, or isn’t it just ‘c’ or otherwise at most 2c?) http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity How many millions or possibly billions of BHs are part of the LQG? The Huge-LQG of 4 billion ly diameter is simply one heck of a black hole factory. The LQG itself is also capable of imposing a considerable cosmic lens issue, although this multiple of enormous clusters of merged galaxies along with hosting 73+ quasars inside of this monster, should also be offering the most impressive assortment of secondary cosmic lens issues, especially magnified and distorted with its all-inclusive collective worth of perhaps 1e19 Ms (2e49 kg). |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
Dear Brad Guth:
On Wednesday, February 6, 2013 3:24:11 PM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 6, 11:36*am, Paul Cardinale wrote: An event horizon is not a thing. *It is not composed of anything. *It is a locus of points. *You cannot make an event horizon detector because there is nothing to detect. Says you. Tell us again how you've been there and having objectively done that EH thing. It is very likely we have all been there and done that. The CMBR is very much like what the inside of an event horizon would look like... Remember, it is *your* charge to try and disprove your theories, if you are serious. There is no physics that supports this shell-within-the-event-horizon thing. David A. Smith |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
On Wednesday, February 6, 2013 6:27:05 AM UTC-8, Brad Guth wrote:
An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 What shell? There is no shell. A black hole is a singularity, Brad, all the mass is contained in a no-dimension point, which automatically gives it infinite density. The radius of the EH is determined by the total mass in that singularity. It is just a mathematical model. You have an overactive imagination... |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
On Feb 6, 6:13*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:27*am, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg, giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. *If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient mass of 5.7e46 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the speed of light. So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? *http://www.1728.org/diam.htm *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity *Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever. Changing the EH shell diameter and its thickness to suit whatever you like, and run the math through these same online calculators in order to test out your ideas as to what a hollow BH or EH could have to offer. *Filling this hollow BH or EH with weird aether or whatever else you can think of, as such will only add to the escape velocity, such as including an enormous solar system of 2e31 kg is literally adding a mere drop to this enormous bucket of mass, and the same goes for packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still insignificant. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. *I would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering external photons. On Feb 6, 10:06 am, Sam Wormley wrote: On 2/6/13 7:49 AM, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 * *It is the mass that determines the radius of the event horizon. * *Something like 2GM/c^2. * *A black hole with an event horizon of 1 light year has a mass * *of 6.37e+42 kg inside that event horizon. To the best of our * *knowledge, there is no known force that would prevent that * *mass from collapsing. Thanks for that reminder of mainstream thinking. *Or perhaps we might consider that just the EH shell itself is all that has to be worth 6.37e42 kg. What’s the required pull of gravity at the EH? (is it 423,974 km/sec, or isn’t it just ‘c’ or otherwise at most 2c?) *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity How many millions or possibly billions of BHs are part of the LQG? The Huge-LQG of 4 billion ly diameter is simply one heck of a black hole factory. *The LQG itself is also capable of imposing a considerable cosmic lens issue, although this multiple of enormous clusters of merged galaxies along with hosting 73+ quasars inside of this monster, should also be offering the most impressive assortment of secondary cosmic lens issues, especially magnified and distorted with its all-inclusive collective worth of perhaps 1e19 Ms (2e49 kg). Hardest surface is that of a neutron star in the macro. In the micro realm its a buckyball. Softest surface is a black hole. IT GIVES NO RESISTANCE GOING IN In micro realm its space. TreBert |
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On Feb 7, 5:30*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:13*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 6, 6:27*am, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg, giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. *If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient mass of 5.7e46 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the speed of light. So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? *http://www.1728.org/diam.htm *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity *Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever. Changing the EH shell diameter and its thickness to suit whatever you like, and run the math through these same online calculators in order to test out your ideas as to what a hollow BH or EH could have to offer. *Filling this hollow BH or EH with weird aether or whatever else you can think of, as such will only add to the escape velocity, such as including an enormous solar system of 2e31 kg is literally adding a mere drop to this enormous bucket of mass, and the same goes for packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still insignificant. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. *I would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering external photons. On Feb 6, 10:06 am, Sam Wormley wrote: On 2/6/13 7:49 AM, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 * *It is the mass that determines the radius of the event horizon.. * *Something like 2GM/c^2. * *A black hole with an event horizon of 1 light year has a mass * *of 6.37e+42 kg inside that event horizon. To the best of our * *knowledge, there is no known force that would prevent that * *mass from collapsing. Thanks for that reminder of mainstream thinking. *Or perhaps we might consider that just the EH shell itself is all that has to be worth 6.37e42 kg. What’s the required pull of gravity at the EH? (is it 423,974 km/sec, or isn’t it just ‘c’ or otherwise at most 2c?) *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity How many millions or possibly billions of BHs are part of the LQG? The Huge-LQG of 4 billion ly diameter is simply one heck of a black hole factory. *The LQG itself is also capable of imposing a considerable cosmic lens issue, although this multiple of enormous clusters of merged galaxies along with hosting 73+ quasars inside of this monster, should also be offering the most impressive assortment of secondary cosmic lens issues, especially magnified and distorted with its all-inclusive collective worth of perhaps 1e19 Ms (2e49 kg). Hardest surface is that of a neutron star in the macro. In the micro realm its a buckyball. *Softest surface is a black hole. *IT GIVES NO RESISTANCE GOING IN *In micro realm its space. *TreBert That's kinda what I was thinking, that the event horizon is a shell sort of super-fluid or super-solid kind of frictionless sphere of sufficient density (such as solid helium at .214 g/cm3) that’s easily penetrated. http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity By using an Event Horizon(EH) radius of .5 ly and a mass of 5.695e46 kg In order for the surface or shell of this event horizon sphere to offer sufficient gravity for a one light year diameter sphere, it doesn't even have to be all that thick if only 300,000 km/sec worth of gravity is needed. If whatever is trapped inside of this solid shell of a helium sphere even amounted to a massive solar system of 2e31 kg would not hardly matter because, the volumetric shell of this EH sphere itself is going to be worth at least 5.695e46 kg if the EH shell were only 9.4605e8 km thick, because that'll generate a gravity force at the surface of 133.75 times greater than 'c'. For a one light year diameter EH shell thickness of just 9.4605e6 km (a millionth of a ly) and comprised of mostly the solid form of helium (5.695e44 kg) would be offering 13.3 'c' worth of gravity force, and perhaps we are talking of at most .1% more if this EH enclosed a massive solar system along with loads of other stuff (including aether), is still offering the EH surface gravity of 4.01e6 km/s or 13.4 times the speed of light. Of course the shape of this EH volume could be a complex toroid instead of the simple sphere, thus giving polar pathways in or out of each and every hollow black hole EH. As this EH and its BH innards fill up is when (according to mpc755) those polar jets kick out or vent their energy and aether which condensates back into matter. |
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..... ahahahaha... TOO MUCH!.... ahahaha... ROTFLMAO...
Two Astrophysicysts, "Brad Guth" and Jail bird Hebe Herbie "G=EMC^2" wrote: Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3.. snip more EH (Extremly Hilarious) lunacy .... ..... this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 .... its escape velocity at the EH surface of solid He is 134 times greater than the speed of light. Packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still insignificant. Of course the shape of this EH volume could be a complex toroid instead of the simple sphere, thus giving polar pathways in or out of each and every hollow black hole EH. As this EH and its BH **** innards **** fill up is when (according to mpc755) those polar jets kick out or vent their energy and aether which condensates back into matter. So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? How many billions of BHs are part of the LQG? Hebe Herbie wrote: Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. I would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering external photons.... [Referring to his "Photon-Suck-theory] "Sam Wormley" wrote: Brad, try not to be so stooopid. Paul is correct. "Paul Cardinale" wrote: Brad, an event horizon is not a thing. It is not composed of anything. It is a locus of points. You cannot make an event horizon detector because there is nothing to detect. John Porker, strutting in his pink Androcies of wrote: A Crapinale is a thing. It is composed of something. It is an idiot. You can make a Crapinale detector because it babbles nonsense about nonsense. hanson wrote: See, Brad, buy & put on some of John Parker's pink unisex Androcies underwear and then you can keep on to "babble nonsense about nonsense" topping it with your own Guthian ***innards***..... ahahaha... ahahaha... Brad you are always good for laughs. Thanks. ahahaha.... ahahahanson |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
On Feb 7, 11:30*am, "hanson" wrote:
.... ahahahaha... TOO MUCH!.... ahahaha... *ROTFLMAO... Two Astrophysicysts, "Brad Guth" *and Jail bird Hebe Herbie "G=EMC^2" wrote: Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3.. snip more EH (Extremly Hilarious) lunacy .... .... this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 .... *its escape velocity at the EH surface of solid He is 134 times greater than the speed of light. Packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still insignificant. Of course the shape of this EH volume could be a complex toroid instead of the simple sphere, thus giving polar pathways in or out of each and every hollow black hole EH. *As this EH and its BH **** innards **** fill up is when (according to mpc755) those polar jets kick out or vent their energy and aether which condensates back into matter. So, where s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? How many billions of BHs are part of the LQG? Hebe Herbie wrote: Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only needs to be slightly greater than c for an given black hole. I would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering external photons.... [Referring to his "Photon-Suck-theory] "Sam Wormley" wrote: *Brad, try not to be so stooopid. Paul is correct. "Paul Cardinale" wrote: Brad, an event horizon is not a thing. *It is not composed of anything. *It is a locus of points. *You cannot make an event horizon detector because there is nothing to detect. John Porker, strutting in his pink Androcies wrote: A Crapinale is a thing. *It is composed of something. *It is an idiot. *You can make a Crapinale detector because it babbles nonsense about nonsense. hanson wrote: See, Brad, buy & put on some of John Parker's pink unisex Androcies underwear and then you can keep on to "babble nonsense about nonsense" topping it with your own Guthian ***innards***..... ahahaha... ahahaha... Brad you are always good for laughs. Thanks. ahahaha.... ahahahanson Your lack of sharing anything topic constructive is noted, as is the usual FUD of most others you fornicate with that usually claim to know everything there is to know, and then some. The likely toroid of an EH will most likely be objectively imaged or at least computer assimilated from a derivative of radio and IR combined imaging. Of course you can always pretend that such isn't possible. |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
On Feb 6, 2:24*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 6, 11:36*am, Paul Cardinale wrote: An event horizon is not a thing. *It is not composed of anything. *It is a locus of points. *You cannot make an event horizon detector because there is nothing to detect. Says you. *Tell us again how you've been there and having objectively done that EH thing. Idiot. The term "event horizon" is well defined. There is no mystery about what it refers to. As I said, it refers to a locus of points. |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
I see that you still enjoy demonstrating that you are a rank imbecile.
This appears to be a new point of ignorance for you: An inability to distinguish between something physical (energy) and something mathematical (a locus of points). You're getting close to going negative on your IQ score. |
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